AllyInWonderland
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Because some girls might still like Hans. (I thought he was kinda cute at first, now I don't).
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englanddg
One Little Spark...
I wondered why the guy behind me was hanging out! (there were only 3 families in the theatre).Darn it! I was worried that there was an after credits scene, but I figured there wasn't since Tangled didn't have one!
What was it?
Darn it!
Oh well, now I'll just have to go see it again. Big loss! <grin>
Animaniac93-98
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Should I spoil it? It's a great gag, but if you really want to know...
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The snow monster is shown returning to the thrown room in Elsa's ice castle. He then notices the crown on the floor and places it on his head. The spikes on his body then melt away and he grins as he feels pretty wearing it.
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The snow monster is shown returning to the thrown room in Elsa's ice castle. He then notices the crown on the floor and places it on his head. The spikes on his body then melt away and he grins as he feels pretty wearing it.
MerlinTheGoat
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Still haven't seen it yet and am actually now on the fence about doing so at this time. I've actually become wary after seeing the RT score plummet to 84% after more reviews poured in and reading some of the comments about why they didn't enjoy it (not to mention Spirit hinting in one of his posts that some of the reviews saying it was the best Disney movie since Lion King were paid off, i've actually liked other Disney movies from that era much more than Lion King btw including after it came out). Don't get me wrong, 84% is still a great rating and i've enjoyed movies with much lower scores (Hobbit for instance), but the drop was rather sudden and dramatic and makes me wonder whether there's some shenanigans going on involving Disney and payoffs... Still kind of want to see it, but much more wary about it now and not sure whether to risk getting burned again after positive spin prodded me into seeing Tangled.
I realize this movie is getting a lot of praise from many people, but the nature of the praise and the comparisons to other Disney animated movies such as Lion King and Tangled is just making me more wary. Many people who liked this also loved Tangled and are comparing them together as if they're on a similar level (Tangled too was compared to the likes of Beauty and the Beast and the Little Mermaid when it came out), perhaps Frozen having a slight edge for some. Problem is that Tangled was a massive disappointment to me, Frozen needs to utterly demolish Tangled to interest me.
I realize this movie is getting a lot of praise from many people, but the nature of the praise and the comparisons to other Disney animated movies such as Lion King and Tangled is just making me more wary. Many people who liked this also loved Tangled and are comparing them together as if they're on a similar level (Tangled too was compared to the likes of Beauty and the Beast and the Little Mermaid when it came out), perhaps Frozen having a slight edge for some. Problem is that Tangled was a massive disappointment to me, Frozen needs to utterly demolish Tangled to interest me.
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Magenta Panther
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I feel the same way. Tangled was a big disappointment to me - it looked gorgeous, but the scripting and attempts at humor made me wonder if I were watching a Dreamworks movie. The songs were lackluster, and that's being kind. And Mother Gothel is the lamest villain EVER - heck, I actually felt a bit sorry for her; she found the flower first, why shouldn't she get to keep it? Why was it evil for her to want to avoid old age? As for Frozen, I've seen clips and I've heard the song "Let It Go" and thought them all very meh. Although I'm glad that the movie is doing great at the box office so far, I still have no plans to see it. It just doesn't interest me. The princesses look plastic. The snowman isn't appealing. The story strays too far from its source material. My only regret is missing the Mickey Mouse short in front of the movie. I hear that's spectacular - but I don't think that alone is worth the price of admission.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
The MM cartoon before the show was ok...reminded me of Philharmagic in terms of plot. Would have worked far better in a 4D showing.
I'll grant you though, it did feel very much like a Dreamworks movie.
SJN1279
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It is an awesome movie, and definite throwback to classic Disney from the 1990's. Spirit is sometimes negative for the sake of negativity.
MerlinTheGoat
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I have every hope you're right, I want an awesome throwback to classic Disney from the 90's. Though from listening to the songs it has already failed to capture that essence. Frozen's music can't touch pretty much ANY of the 90's movies (this includes even the less amazing ones, but especially masterpiece soundtracks like Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Hunchback of Notre Dame and Lion King). Hopefully the story, characters and script can make up for this.
But I don't agree that Spirit posts negativity for the sake of negativity. His posts are often by their nature negative, but that's just the nature of the Disney company itself so it makes perfect sense why his posts are skewed that way. It's really just blunt honesty. I've really never seen him post anything that wasn't grounded in reality (lately he's been on a roll with the way the Next Gen project has been crashing and burning. His insight on how the Disney company works has been validated too many times now for me to assume he's just trying to stir up trouble (he's more than earned a "benefit of the doubt until proven wrong" badge in my book). That's not to say i agree with his opinions about whether a movie is good or not (I have shared opposing opinions to his), but at this point I definitely trust his knowledge about the business side of Disney and what sleazy practices they pull. I would definitely not put it past Disney to buy reviewers, it comes with the territory of big media conglomerates to buy their popularity (i'm a video game person, and i've witnessed review sites get caught with their pants down taking bribes from game companies).
I won't believe it's good or bad until I see it for myself. I very much want to like this movie and hope it's as good as you claim. But again I heard the EXACT same hype from Tangled as I have for Frozen, and some of the same people who loved Tangled now like Frozen as well. That puts me on guard and makes me incredibly wary. As such i'm keeping my expectations very low going in. By low I don't mean I want to dislike it, don't get me wrong (quite the opposite). I just don't have much hope at this point. The nature of the praise as well as the comparisons being made to other movies are troubling to me. Though maybe i'll be pleasantly surprised having such low expectations. I'm well aware it's nothing like the source material, i'm ok with that, it just has to be a good movie based on its own merits.
Figments Friend
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I agree with you regarding 'Tangled'. It was not a 'hit' for me on any level.
A friend asked me to attend with them, so i went to see it.
It was somewhat enjoyable the first time through...but it is not a movie i had any desire to view again.
I will admit that the heavy use of CGI elements were a inherent turn off for me...i am a 'traditionalist' when it comes to Disney animation.
I tried to look beyond that...but i really was not engaged in the story or characters.
Like Magenta stated, it felt like a Dreamworks picture.
There were a few bright spots, and i appreciated Glen Keane's work, but the film fell flat in my opinion.
A 'one and done' for me.
The marketing for 'Frozen' turned me off to the film because of it harkening back to the 'Tangled' patterns. Everything from the character design, injected humor, 'princess element', and even the title just reeked of 'copy cat marketing'.
The pre-release trailers i found un-appealing or downright eye-roll worthy.
I was seeing not only a 'Tangled' knock off, but a 'wanna be hip adult-likeable animation like Dreamworks' in the style.
My overall impression was this was to be 'Tangled in the Snow'.
My interest in seeing it was dashed in a swift blow.
Having said all that...and having had that attitude towards the film up to this point, i have to say that the recent feedback from people who have seen it and are giving honest reviews have made me reconsider MAYBE giving it a chance in a theatre.
Maybe.
I have been 'stung' too many times over the last few years with Disney related animation ( 'Brave', 'Tangled', etc..) and as they say 'once bitten, twice shy'.
The last animated feature i saw that really got me excited or moved me in some way was 'Brother Bear'.
Yeah, not a film that is everyone's cup of tea...but i loved it from a story and design standpoint. Some beautiful background art there, and a meaningful story.
Go WDFA Florida !
So i am sitting here on the sidelines observing. I am enjoying the opinions of folks here who are posting their views of the film after seeing it.
Keep that up....!
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rreading
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Agreed, for what it's worth re:reviews
However, most reviews give a pretty accurate appraisal of the movie (I don't read the sunshine pumpers who give a four star to anything); they say that it's a 3 out of four movie - lots of good aspects and certainly some weaknesses. And they're generally consistent with the movie's faults (and I agree with the above poster who felt that it would have been nice to see more of the queen).
It does feel a lot like Tangled (but I didn't expect much from and was thus pleased with Tangled). But it is more than a Dreamworks picture; it has heart.
And to me, as a Disney and musical fan, it's easily worth $10 and 2hrs of my time.
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stitchcastle
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Watch the songs in context within the movie, they work fantastically. Sure, it's not on the same level as the Big 4 90's musicals, but it comes really, really close. and "Let It Go" as it's done in the movie is the most iconic Disney tune they've done this century and stands firmly alongside "Part of Your World" or any of the other classic character theme songs.
The story of the movie itself is really really well done as well. All you have to focus on is that it's a story about estranged sisters, everything about the movie revolves around that central conceit, from the jokes to the supporting characters (as annoying as the trailers make Olaf seem, in the movie, once you realize who he is and what he represents, you love him), they all stem from that angle.
ratherbeinwdw
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I didn't realize before I went that this was a musical, not a movie with music. I felt like I was at a wonderful play with amazing music more than a movie for about 2/3's of the movie. Once it became more of a movie, it was still very good. I adore IM's voice. I loved her in Wicked, and I loved her in this. I, like someone else, wish they had done a little more with her. It is so much better than Tangled to me. It is also a very beautiful movie. I actually liked the way the queen looked. I think the problem is going to be that very young children aren't really entertained until the last 30 minutes or so. In the showing we saw, the really young kids were "antsy" until Olaf came along. Then, they laughed and enjoyed themselves.
Wilt Dasney
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If anything short of the second coming of '90s Disney will disappoint you, stay home.
If you can be happy with a pleasant diversion with some very impressive CGI visuals, a nicely fleshed-out female lead and moderately catchy music, then go see it. (If Disney paid for that review, they deserve their money back. "A pleasant diversion," crows Wilt Dasney!)
I honestly barely remember Tangled, and don't remember feeling either particularly up or down about it when I saw it. I generally go into Disney movies with middling expectations these days, so when a film beats that bar (which this one did), I feel good about the time invested.
If nothing else, just take in a matinee with no 3-D. Hard to feel cheated out of that. (Although the Mickey 'toon will suffer from no 3-D. Do they even show it before non-3D showings? Seems to kinda defeat the purpose.)
If you can be happy with a pleasant diversion with some very impressive CGI visuals, a nicely fleshed-out female lead and moderately catchy music, then go see it. (If Disney paid for that review, they deserve their money back. "A pleasant diversion," crows Wilt Dasney!)
I honestly barely remember Tangled, and don't remember feeling either particularly up or down about it when I saw it. I generally go into Disney movies with middling expectations these days, so when a film beats that bar (which this one did), I feel good about the time invested.
If nothing else, just take in a matinee with no 3-D. Hard to feel cheated out of that. (Although the Mickey 'toon will suffer from no 3-D. Do they even show it before non-3D showings? Seems to kinda defeat the purpose.)
jdmdisney99
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Yeah, I remember seeing something about the writing of music for The Little Mermaid by Howard Ashman and Allen Menken. They talked about how in the beginning of a Broadway musical, the lead female character usually sits on something and belts out a song about what she wants in life. Following the likes of "Part of Your World" and "Belle", "Let It Go" (Elsa) and "For the First Time In Forever" (Anna) help tell us about the main characters very very well.
RandomPrincess
Keep Moving Forward
Frozen on track to have 2nd best Thanksgiving opening ever - Of course Catching Fire is on Track to be #1. They are projecting Frozen to make about $90 million over the 5 day weekend, doing better then Tangled.
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/11/29/box-office-update-frozen-catching-fire/
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/11/29/box-office-update-frozen-catching-fire/
englanddg
One Little Spark...
They do show it before the 2D showings. I don't like 3D (I wear glasses most of the time, so wearing glasses over glasses is annoying)...If anything short of the second coming of '90s Disney will disappoint you, stay home.
If you can be happy with a pleasant diversion with some very impressive CGI visuals, a nicely fleshed-out female lead and moderately catchy music, then go see it. (If Disney paid for that review, they deserve their money back. "A pleasant diversion," crows Wilt Dasney!)
I honestly barely remember Tangled, and don't remember feeling either particularly up or down about it when I saw it. I generally go into Disney movies with middling expectations these days, so when a film beats that bar (which this one did), I feel good about the time invested.
If nothing else, just take in a matinee with no 3-D. Hard to feel cheated out of that. (Although the Mickey 'toon will suffer from no 3-D. Do they even show it before non-3D showings? Seems to kinda defeat the purpose.)
Anyhow, they do show it, and the whole time I was thinking...this is Mickey's Philharmagic.
It had such obvious tricks in it that were made for "3D" (like Pete's Finger).
Correct also more than one critic stated the very same thing and they were websites not huge critic sites either. Ign for one is extremely honest with their views and said more or less this movie was an instant classic. Pay off however many people you want they ain't paying me a dime, nor many other posters on here. I saw the film. Trust me and what everyone else is saying @MerlinTheGoat this movie is an A+ also 84 percent is not a bad score whatsoever. It didn't plummet rather it was early reviews most films usually start within that range. This movie is a keeper and I am proud its in the Walt Disney animation line up, the oscar is in the bag this year no doubt about it. 3 oscars best song, and best film, and best animated short. If not then foul play going on here cause based off this years offering in animation there is no way in heck monsters u was any sort of a better film.
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Finally someone who shares my glasses over glasses problem! That's why 3d movies are a re adjustment area for me!
YEAH That means we can see more of this film in the parks. FOR that I am super happy and excited for!