Frozen

[Figments Friend]

And if YOU like it, I'll go see it. Deal?

Deal.
I know you are aware of my disinterest in seeing it..as i am of yours.
We both share many of the same opinions regarding the initial impression of 'Frozen' , and we both have had a lack of a driving interest to make an effort to see it.
The marketing campaign and pre-release trailers just really killed any possible enthusiasm to see it for me, coupled with the CGI and 'cloned' character designs.


BUT.....i may be enticed to give this one a shot.

Still not 100% certain on this...but seeing it in 3D will make it interesting from a technical standpoint even if the film itself ends up not being all that great.
At least Mickey on the big screen will be entertaining...i do have a interest in seeing the short.
I just hope 'Frozen' does not end up being a 'chick flick'....the whole sisters thing.
That was one of the many aspects of 'Brave' i did not get into..the whole 'mom/daughter' personal drama.

If i have some spare time later this week or next, i might just take in a showing.
We shall see.

Dr. Jones told me to go.
He is famous for his quote : "Trust Me"....so.....

 

[IndianaJones]

Deal.
I know you are aware of my disinterest in seeing it..as i am of yours.
We both share many of the same opinions regarding the initial impression of 'Frozen' , and we both have had a lack of a driving interest to make an effort to see it.
The marketing campaign and pre-release trailers just really killed any possible enthusiasm to see it for me, coupled with the CGI and 'cloned' character designs.


BUT.....i may be enticed to give this one a shot.

Still not 100% certain on this...but seeing it in 3D will make it interesting from a technical standpoint even if the film itself ends up not being all that great.
At least Mickey on the big screen will be entertaining...i do have a interest in seeing the short.
I just hope 'Frozen' does not end up being a 'chick flick'....the whole sisters thing.
That was one of the many aspects of 'Brave' i did not get into..the whole 'mom/daughter' personal drama.

If i have some spare time later this week or next, i might just take in a showing.
We shall see.

Dr. Jones told me to go.
He is famous for his quote : "Trust Me"....so.....

Definitely interested to hear what you think of Get a Horse.

 

[Figments Friend]

so, the general consensus is "Indy approved, should watch" ?

I like that better then the tag line being used in the 'Frozen' campaign ..."the best since The Lion King".

It needs to be changed to a 'review quote' ...

"It's good.....Trust me !"
- Dr. Indiana Jones , famed archeologist and collector of rare antiquities.

 

[IndianaJones]

I like that better then the tag line being used in the 'Frozen' campain '...better then The Lion King'.

It needs to be changed to a 'review quote' ...

"It's good.....Trust me !"
- Dr. Indiana Jones , famed archeologist and collector of rare antiquities.

I won't call it better then the Lion King. I need to see it again before that proclamation. But it was my favorite since Lion King…

 

[RandomPrincess]

I won't call it better then the Lion King. I need to see it again before that proclamation. But it was my favorite since Lion King…

The correct tag line is "best since the Lion King" - which I agree with.

 

[IndianaJones]

It needs to be changed to a 'review quote' ...

"It's good.....Trust me !"
- Dr. Indiana Jones , famed archeologist and collector of rare antiquities.

Also hopefully it's this and not…

"He chose poorly…"

 

[rreading]

While I think that the movie is great..."best since" tends to be troublesome.

Wonderful, but there have been many other very good Disney films since Lion King. Wonder how it will endure.

This one is certainly hitting its market in stride, to be sure. Can't imagine the lines for those two when we go in May.

 

[RandomPrincess]

While I think that the movie is great..."best since" tends to be troublesome.

Wonderful, but there have been many other very good Disney films since Lion King. Wonder how it will endure.

This one is certainly hitting its market in stride, to be sure. Can't imagine the lines for those two when we go in May.

We were in Epcot the first week on Nov on a Monday the line was over and hour long for them, pre the movie coming out.

 

[sponono88]

The full Let It Go scene direct from the movie.. Enjoy!



can't. stop. watching!

 

[flynnibus]

Deal.
I know you are aware of my disinterest in seeing it..as i am of yours.
We both share many of the same opinions regarding the initial impression of 'Frozen' , and we both have had a lack of a driving interest to make an effort to see it.

[...]
BUT.....i may be enticed to give this one a shot.
[...]
If i have some spare time later this week or next, i might just take in a showing.
We shall see.

OMG.. stop being a drama queen. It's a freaking movie - if you debate something so much over a flick.. you scare me.

Go see it - it's worth your 2hrs.

The marketing campaign and pre-release trailers just really killed any possible enthusiasm to see it for me, coupled with the CGI and 'cloned' character designs.

If you have something besides the marketing driving you.. then just ignore the marketing. Not a life altering decision there.
And 'cloned' characters? No.

I just hope 'Frozen' does not end up being a 'chick flick'....the whole sisters thing.

Not at all.. stop dreaming up excuses and just go see it if you consider yourself a Disney fan.

 

[flynnibus]

My favorite reviewer (Doug Walker / Nostalgia Critic) reviews Frozen!

I couldn't stomach more than 2-3 minutes of those videos before I punted.

 

[flynnibus]

Just saw these 'complaints' about Elsa vs Rapazunel. They aren't 'clones' and only are alike in the overall style Disney is animating humans in recent films.

The character has different eyes (sharper corners vs rounded), different nose, different eyebrows, different cheeks, chins, lips. The frozen princess characters very much pull on the traits you see in the Fins and other northern scandanvian natives. What they share is the artistic style. Just like humans in pixar films did, and humans in classic WDP animated features did for a long long time.

Sometimes it really feels like people just WANT to find things to harp on.

 

[flynnibus]

I really enjoyed 'Treasure Planet'.
Not sure why it was considered a 'flop' by some measuring sticks[...]

Because it was an extravagant, extremely expensive, much fluffed film that tanked... abysmally. It opened 4th only making 12mil and went down from there. It's domestic take of $38 mil vs it's production cost of $140mil. That's John Carter type of flopping.

I have always felt that if it had been released AFTER that film, it would have done much better at the box office and had been in the public's eye.

I doubt it.. it still is just as much a flop after it was available on video, etc.. and still can't get out of the rut of being a visually stunning (at times), but utterly boring flick. Even without any pressure and free availabilty to the flick.. no one flocks to it. If you liked the look.. Atlantis at least offers more and will give you some of that early CGI + cell look.

 

[flynnibus]

It's Disney's Iron Giant IMO.

Iron Giant has got heart... TP has got... pretty pictures?

 

[Matt_Black]

Because it was an extravagant, extremely expensive, much fluffed film that tanked... abysmally. It opened 4th only making 12mil and went down from there. It's domestic take of $38 mil vs it's production cost of $140mil. That's John Carter type of flopping.

Much like John Carter, however, it did very well once it hit DVD.

I doubt it.. it still is just as much a flop after it was available on video, etc.. and still can't get out of the rut of being a visually stunning (at times), but utterly boring flick. Even without any pressure and free availabilty to the flick.. no one flocks to it. If you liked the look.. Atlantis at least offers more and will give you some of that early CGI + cell look.

I disagree. I thought the Jim/ Silver dynamic presented here was one of the best done in any adaptation.

I just hope 'Frozen' does not end up being a 'chick flick'....the whole sisters thing.

I'd more compare it to a superhero origin movie dressed up as a Princess film than a "chick flick".

 

[DisneyFan 2000]

I just hope 'Frozen' does not end up being a 'chick flick'....the whole sisters thing.

Let me just get this out of the way regarding the whole "sisters thing": Anyone who has siblings will relate to it. Anyone who's ever felt different will relate to it. Anyone that values heart when watching characters come to life will relate to it. Anyone who isn't, pardon the pun, ice cold will relate to it.

 

[flynnibus]

Much like John Carter, however, it did very well once it hit DVD.

Yes, with DVD sales... the film might have come close to breaking even on all it's expenses. Just what every Movie Exec dreams for with their major tent pole release. Still an epic flop. Studio's don't make movies with the aspirations that we might break even.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I doubt it.. it still is just as much a flop after it was available on video, etc.. and still can't get out of the rut of being a visually stunning (at times), but utterly boring flick.

Boring, eh? It was liked by a majority of those who actually saw it:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/treasure_planet/

And as for nobody thinking of it afterwords, it sold 13K DVD copies on a random summer week last year despite being available on video since 2003:

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Treasure-Planet#tab=video-sales

Drawing conclusions based on personal opinion isn't your ususal style, Flynn. The movie was still a flop, by anyone's measure, but it was not because of the quality of the movie itself. Box Office numbers often aren't.

Iron Giant is a much better thought of film, but was also a flop upon its initial release. As was Titan A.E., Atlantis, and just about any other animated sci-fi movie that was not Stitch of Wall-E. The sub-genre has never had a strong box office record and a very outside-the-formula Disney movie was not likely to change that.

 

[Cesar R M]

I like that better then the tag line being used in the 'Frozen' campaign ..."the best since The Lion King".

It needs to be changed to a 'review quote' ...

"It's good.....Trust me !"
- Dr. Indiana Jones , famed archeologist and collector of rare antiquities.

Boring, eh? It was liked by a majority of those who actually saw it:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/treasure_planet/

And as for nobody thinking of it afterwords, it sold 13K DVD copies on a random summer week last year despite being available on video since 2003:

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Treasure-Planet#tab=video-sales

Drawing conclusions based on personal opinion isn't your ususal style, Flynn. The movie was still a flop, by anyone's measure, but it was not because of the quality of the movie itself. Box Office numbers often aren't.

Iron Giant is a much better thought of film, but was also a flop upon its initial release. As was Titan A.E., Atlantis, and just about any other animated sci-fi movie that was not Stitch of Wall-E. The sub-genre has never had a strong box office record and a very outside-the-formula Disney movie was not likely to change that.

The same happened with RISE OF THE GUARDIANS by dreamworks..
solid work, beautiful movie, good story and awesome characters..
it did "flopped" (there was a lot of competition by good movies at the time If I remember correctly)
Internationally It did a bit better.
Still....made dreamworks do a "writeoff" or whatever that thing is called.. laid off people from the studios...
but then.. they sold really really well in the blu-ray and dvd home sales.

(from the wiki)

The film was more successful at home media sales than at the box office, having at the end of the second quarter of 2013 "the highest box office to DVD conversion ratio among major releases."]In the first quarter of 2013, it sold 3.2 million home entertainment units worldwide,]and in the second quarter 0.9 million units, for a total of 4.1 million units.As of August 2013, 2 million DVDs were sold domestically.

 

[flynnibus]

Boring, eh? It was liked by a majority of those who actually saw it:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/treasure_planet/

Obviously not enough to actually pay to see it or buy it. Any Disney Feature Length film is going to have an intrinsic following. I mean we can make all the excuses we want.. reality is it was launched during a MAJOR theatrical season.. with great fanfare.. and utterly and completely failed at the box office.

And as for nobody thinking of it afterwords, it sold 13K DVD copies on a random summer week last year despite being available on video since 2003:

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Treasure-Planet#tab=video-sales

13k? You should really try some perspective of what that number is before throwing out the sole number available.

Drawing conclusions based on personal opinion isn't your ususal style, Flynn. The movie was still a flop, by anyone's measure, but it was not because of the quality of the movie itself. Box Office numbers often aren't.

Conclusions based on personal opinion? Uhh.. as you said.. the movie was still a flop by all measures. No personal opinion in there.. it is what it is. As for my opinion of the film.. art is subjective.. and in my opinion the movie has nothing that makes me want to see it again, nor can it even keep me engaged for it's full length.

The Disney animated films of the 2000s were largely lacking. Fans will for decades yet come up with all kinds of justifications on why, or dream up 'what ifs...' that would allow them to dream history was different. But while the films may have independent elements that when viewed in isolation may look great (like the great ship/space views in Treasure Planet)... the reason the films are flat is because they failed as a whole package. Much like many of the recent park additions - they excel in parts or in specific technical nature or details.. but fail to achieve 'soul' or that element that resonates with guests.