Frozen

[Matt_Black]

But once the film is out and is seen by many... who cares what the early trailers or posters were, etc... none of that matters if you have good word of mouth.. and certainly doesn't matter once you've seen the film yourself. .

The problem is that word of mouth wasn't as easy back then. Social media wasn't nearly as omnipresent as it was now, yet you still had close to the short theater runs that you do now thanks to studios looking to get the home entertainment release as soon as possible.

Or, to look at it another way- Tron. That was also regarded as a flop when it came out, with many citing it's failure as a reason why computer tech in movies took so long to catch on, but eventually people came around to it and as internet culture grew, so did the film's popularity (helped by tie-ins such as Kingdom Hearts 2). Almost a quarter of a century later it got a sequel and an animated series.

 

[flynnibus]

The problem is that word of mouth wasn't as easy back then. Social media wasn't nearly as omnipresent as it was now, yet you still had close to the short theater runs that you do now thanks to studios looking to get the home entertainment release as soon as possible.

uhh.. the post you quoted was a conversation about Frozen - not TP so none of what you said applies.

Or, to look at it another way- Tron. That was also regarded as a flop when it came out, with many citing it's failure as a reason why computer tech in movies took so long to catch on, but eventually people came around to it and as internet culture grew, so did the film's popularity (helped by tie-ins such as Kingdom Hearts 2). Almost a quarter of a century later it got a sequel and an animated series.

Tron was a disappointment (as was much of WDP at the time was). Time doesn't change that. It has a following (myself included) but it doesn't change the fact that Legacy was not very well received and the animated series has already been canceled. These last few pages are full of 'would have.. could have.. should have' and head in sand when it comes to what actually transpired.

 

[SpectroMan93]

I can't quite agree with that one... maybe with the test of time. Tangled is possibly my favorite Disney film (Lion King and Beauty and the Beast are up there as well). I'm not sure where Frozen fits in on the list, but it's also near the top.

I think it's just great to be able to debate between two recent Disney films as to which one is better, both already considered as among the best of the Disney animated film canon*. Wasn't too long ago when people had thought Disney had lost it's touch with animation, and now here we are with a pair of beautiful films that will be this generation's Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast.

However, if I were to get into this Tangled vs. Frozen debate, I will say this. I have been listening to the Frozen soundtrack for 7 days straight now, something I didn't even consider after seeing Tangled (I loved "I See the Light" and "Mother Knows Best", but that was it).

*animated musical film

 

[Matt_Black]

uhh.. the post you quoted was a conversation about Frozen - not TP so none of what you said applies.

Since several posters, yourself included, had talked about TP, and you didn't qualify your comment otherwise, I trust you'll forgive my mistake as it was easy enough to make given the context.

Tron was a disappointment (as was much of WDP at the time was). Time doesn't change that. It has a following (myself included) but it doesn't change the fact that Legacy was not very well received and the animated series has already been canceled. These last few pages are full of 'would have.. could have.. should have' and head in sand when it comes to what actually transpired.

Legacy... had issues, but a Tron 3 is in the works, so it was successful enough. As for the animated series, it was in the same time slot as My Little Pony, a show which is something of a juggernaut in animation at this point.

As far as "time doesn't change anything", how do you respond to the fact that both Sleeping Beauty and Alice in Wonderland were regarded as failures upon their initial release, only to be held as classics now?

 

[Matt_Black]

I think it's just great to be able to debate between two recent Disney films as to which one is better, both already considered as among the best of the Disney animated film canon. Wasn't too long ago when people had thought Disney had lost it's touch with animation, and now here we are with a pair of beautiful films that will be this generation's Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast.

However, if I were to get into this Tangled vs. Frozen debate, I will say this. I have been listening to the Frozen soundtrack for 7 days straight now, something I didn't even consider after seeing Tangled (I loved "I See the Light" and "Mother Knows Best", but that was it).

We've had THREE excellent Disney films recently, or have we forgotten Wreck-It Ralph already?

 

[SpectroMan93]

We've had THREE excellent Disney films recently, or have we forgotten Wreck-It Ralph already?

I wholeheartedly agree. I should have said animated musical film to clarify.

 

[Figments Friend]

so a film that focuses on the relationship between two women is instantly a chick flick? So a film focusing on two brothers is a dude flick and instantly unappealing to the other gender by your logic? Personal rifts between two family members does not equate into a chick flick..I am starting to question your judgement there. Also I don't see why this is such a decision its a film, see it or don't see it, its really not the end all to everything.

In my opinion, i would rather not see a 'Disney animated feature' that plays like a quasi-adult soap opera. This was the point i was referring to in my comment.

When i go into that darkened theater, and have paid to see a 'Disney animated feature film', i am usually in the mood for seeing something that is more lighthearted, inspirational, and a pure exercise in artistry that takes me to another world.
A good story helps too, of course...and tension is necessary to forward a story, but not one overly bogged down in issues.
If i wanted a more realistically driven dramatic saga, i would go see another type of film.


Each their own of course, but in the past i find some of the more recent animated features from Disney and Pixar to be dragged down by too much 'realistic drama'.
'Brave' was the example i used, as it was the last animated feature i saw in a theatre. I considered it a 'chick flick' because of all the tension between Merida and her mother.
I felt like i was watching 'As The World Turns' at times.
Not the kind of thing i was expecting, or really wanted to see in what was being marketed as a animated fantasy.

Again, each their own in opinion.
Many absolutely love that more 'realistic drama' aspect in animated features, but for me it can sometimes put me off.


I know you are a very passionate supporter of 'Frozen' Sped, and there is nothing wrong with that. It is actually nice to read your enthusiastic comments about it here.
You have to understand however that others are going to view this picture with different eyes.

The years when 'A Disney Animted Feature' meant a absolute guarenteed 'sensational film' are long over, in my own personal opinion.
Others will of course not share that opinion, but that is great because this is what make interesting conversation on a fan forum.
That 'difference of opinion'.

 

[flynnibus]

Legacy... had issues, but a Tron 3 is in the works, so it was successful enough. As for the animated series, it was in the same time slot as My Little Pony, a show which is something of a juggernaut in animation at this point.

Tron3 is being developed... but that doesn't mean much besides people want to make it. Legacy bounced around in a similar state for decades. I'm not holding my breath. The animated series.. could have easily been moved. It failed to gather traction in the 'right' audiences. Fan bases are great.. but they gotta be the type that pay the bills.

As far as "time doesn't change anything", how do you respond to the fact that both Sleeping Beauty and Alice in Wonderland were regarded as failures upon their initial release, only to be held as classics now?

Because it wasn't time that changed that perception - but actualy results. Those 'success' of those films was not rewritten in history by idealists... it was changed through actual re-releases where the films were put in the wild and the audiences warmed up to them and actually went and saw them.. and then would take their kids on the next cycle, etc.

The difference? Reality vs revisionist thinking.

 

[flynnibus]

In my opinion, i would rather not see a 'Disney animated feature' that plays like a quasi-adult soap opera.

Your indecision posts have more soap opera in them than Frozen does

 

[Figments Friend]

Your indecision posts have more soap opera in them than Frozen does

Well that is great to hear then, as i will probably like the film !

 

[RandomPrincess]

In my opinion, i would rather not see a 'Disney animated feature' that plays like a quasi-adult soap opera. This was the point i was referring to in my comment.

When i go into that darkened theater, and have paid to see a 'Disney animated feature film', i am usually in the mood for seeing something that is more lighthearted, inspirational, and a pure exercise in artistry that takes me to another world.
A good story helps too, of course...and tension is necessary to forward a story, but not one overly bogged down in issues.
If i wanted a more realistically driven dramatic saga, i would go see another type of film.


Each their own of course, but in the past i find some of the more recent animated features from Disney and Pixar to be dragged down by too much 'realistic drama'.
'Brave' was the example i used, as it was the last animated feature i saw in a theatre. I considered it a 'chick flick' because of all the tension between Merida and her mother.
I felt like i was watching 'As The World Turns' at times.
Not the kind of thing i was expecting, or really wanted to see in what was being marketed as a animated fantasy.

Again, each their own in opinion.
Many absolutely love that more 'realistic drama' aspect in animated features, but for me it can sometimes put me off.


I know you are a very passionate supporter of 'Frozen' Sped, and there is nothing wrong with that. It is actually nice to read your enthusiastic comments about it here.
You have to understand however that others are going to view this picture with different eyes.

The years when 'A Disney Animted Feature' meant a absolute guarenteed 'sensational film' are long over, in my own personal opinion.
Others will of course not share that opinion, but that is great because this is what make interesting conversation on a fan forum.
That 'difference of opinion'.

I'm surmising you don't like angsty teenage girls and the drama they cause a la Brave. Frozen has no angsty teenagers. Anna and Elsa are both wonderful characters.

 

[Figments Friend]

I'm surmising you don't like angsty teenage girls and the drama they cause a la Brave. Frozen has no angsty teenagers. Anna and Elsa are both wonderful characters.

Excellent. This is good to hear.

 

[Nemo14]

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie...easter-eggs-disney-blockbuster-170605113.html

 

[Sped2424]

In my opinion, i would rather not see a 'Disney animated feature' that plays like a quasi-adult soap opera. This was the point i was referring to in my comment.

When i go into that darkened theater, and have paid to see a 'Disney animated feature film', i am usually in the mood for seeing something that is more lighthearted, inspirational, and a pure exercise in artistry that takes me to another world.
A good story helps too, of course...and tension is necessary to forward a story, but not one overly bogged down in issues.
If i wanted a more realistically driven dramatic saga, i would go see another type of film.


Each their own of course, but in the past i find some of the more recent animated features from Disney and Pixar to be dragged down by too much 'realistic drama'.
'Brave' was the example i used, as it was the last animated feature i saw in a theatre. I considered it a 'chick flick' because of all the tension between Merida and her mother.
I felt like i was watching 'As The World Turns' at times.
Not the kind of thing i was expecting, or really wanted to see in what was being marketed as a animated fantasy.

Again, each their own in opinion.
Many absolutely love that more 'realistic drama' aspect in animated features, but for me it can sometimes put me off.


I know you are a very passionate supporter of 'Frozen' Sped, and there is nothing wrong with that. It is actually nice to read your enthusiastic comments about it here.
You have to understand however that others are going to view this picture with different eyes.

The years when 'A Disney Animted Feature' meant a absolute guarenteed 'sensational film' are long over, in my own personal opinion.
Others will of course not share that opinion, but that is great because this is what make interesting conversation on a fan forum.
That 'difference of opinion'.

I am not saying you have to like it! I can understand if you don't, what I am saying is don't over think your desicion and go see the film! Chances are you might enjoy it, and if you don't well at least you can form your opinion on it having seen the film! plus the mickey mouse short alone is worth the ticket price IMO, but stop debating it over with yourself and take action!

 

[Matt_Black]

Yeah. I think we've watched enough Disney films to learn that first impressions aren't always accurate.

 

[Kevin_W]

I think it's just great to be able to debate between two recent Disney films as to which one is better, both already considered as among the best of the Disney animated film canon*. Wasn't too long ago when people had thought Disney had lost it's touch with animation, and now here we are with a pair of beautiful films that will be this generation's Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast.

However, if I were to get into this Tangled vs. Frozen debate, I will say this. I have been listening to the Frozen soundtrack for 7 days straight now, something I didn't even consider after seeing Tangled (I loved "I See the Light" and "Mother Knows Best", but that was it).

*animated musical film

Agreed. It is great to have good films coming out.

As for the soundtrack... that's a good point. There are more songs and probably catchier ones in Frozen. I bought the Tangled CD a few months after the movie came out, Frozen the next day. But by daughter has always had some background musing playing in her bedroom as she sleeps. For over 2.5 years, that music has been the Tangled soundtrack. Every night. (Just now replaced with Frozen.)

Hopefully Frozen fares better at the Oscars. I was disappointed that Menken's score wasn't even nominated and that "I See the Light" lost for best song. But I was also shocked that neither tune from Brave was even nominated for best song, so perhaps my musical tastes are not in line with the Academy's.

 

[RandomPrincess]

Agreed. It is great to have good films coming out.

As for the soundtrack... that's a good point. There are more songs and probably catchier ones in Frozen. I bought the Tangled CD a few months after the movie came out, Frozen the next day. But by daughter has always had some background musing playing in her bedroom as she sleeps. For over 2.5 years, that music has been the Tangled soundtrack. Every night. (Just now replaced with Frozen.)

Hopefully Frozen fares better at the Oscars. I was disappointed that Menken's score wasn't even nominated and that "I See the Light" lost for best song. But I was also shocked that neither tune from Brave was even nominated for best song, so perhaps my musical tastes are not in line with the Academy's.

I think Toy Story 3 was just so loved that We Belong Together benefited from that.

 

[Matt_Black]

Agreed. It is great to have good films coming out.

As for the soundtrack... that's a good point. There are more songs and probably catchier ones in Frozen. I bought the Tangled CD a few months after the movie came out, Frozen the next day. But by daughter has always had some background musing playing in her bedroom as she sleeps. For over 2.5 years, that music has been the Tangled soundtrack. Every night. (Just now replaced with Frozen.)

Hopefully Frozen fares better at the Oscars. I was disappointed that Menken's score wasn't even nominated and that "I See the Light" lost for best song. But I was also shocked that neither tune from Brave was even nominated for best song, so perhaps my musical tastes are not in line with the Academy's.

Well, last year was sort of an odd duck as far as best song nominations go. They only had two contenders.

 

[englanddg]

Black Nerd Reviews!

 

[Florida_is_hot]

I seen the paid ads, best film since the Lion King.
Maybe true but what they could add is Frozen is no where near the Classic Film the Lion King became.

Loved the film though and would recommend it to anybody that has not seen it.

The best part of the film was the short film "Get a horse", it is amazing what they can do with 3D.