Four Parks: One Stale World?

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
I was under the impression that Disney is no longer accepting letters. They are returned, unopened, to the sender. I was told it was inacted to avoid lawsuits.

Someone sends a lettere that says "you should put more garbage cans on Main Street". This person visits WDW and sees more cans, and says "hey, thats my idea" and now sues for Disney implimenting his idea. Of course the case has no merit, but lawyers and court costs add up.

Of course this may all be a giant hoax/rumor for all I know.

-dave
:rolleyes::lol:

I would not doubt that.
 

sleepybear

New Member
I too agree with sleepybear's post. And I could list a long number of items that I took great pleasure in at WDW in October.

But I don't feel that serves any purpose to me in my limited time here. If it isn't obvious that we all love WDW, then I am not sure what the purpose of this site is.

So when I spend valuable time that I won't likely be getting back at the end of my life posting here (or elsewhere) I choose to use it to stimulate discussion on things that I feel strongly need to have light shined on them.

I realize it isn't the popular view (I've posted elsewhere and gone through the same friendly 'why don't you just stay home?' comments) ... but my comments must have some resonance in we're headed toward 400 posts on this thread as I type this.

If there wasn't substance to what I am saying, this thing would have died out after a couple of dozen posts (at most).

So ... I'm not the type of guy who is going to post about how great it was walking around World Showcase eating and drinking or how I was amazed at all the wildlife I saw at DAK or how much I loved my umteenth rides of Mansion and PoC and Peter Pan or how great it was to have an ice cream sundae while looking at Cindy's Castle. Sorry, even though all of the above did happen, it's not me.

I just don't have the time for it ... or the patience to wait for Disney's 'leadership' team to get it and go back to doing the things the right way.

So ... bluntly ... get used to it. I'm not going anywhere and I'm not changing my style.

You say you agree with my post then proceed to mock it. You protest that your time is limited and valuable, yet you've posted almost 60 times to this thread alone. You claim to want to stimulate discussion yet belittle anyone who disagrees with you. But that's your style and we all need to get used to it. So thanks for that heads-up. Now I know enough to steer clear of any thread you're involved in, including the remainder of this one.
 

mcjaco

Well-Known Member
But I haven't noticed much of a decline in cleanliness or upkeep. I honestly can't recall seeing an overflowing trash can or the missing ceiling tiles at Buzz Lightyear. I'm sure they exist. I've probably seen them.

Being there in October, Buzz's queue, was a mess. There were chunks of paint pealed off the wall. Not in one spot, but many. It stirred two thoughts in my tiny brain. One, this would never gotten to this point in the old regime. And two, what kind of idiot parents are out there letting their kids deface property like this? Granted maybe it's the idiot parents. :lookaroun

You say you agree with my post then proceed to mock it. You protest that your time is limited and valuable, yet you've posted almost 60 times to this thread alone.

He has 60 posts because he can't get the multiquote figured out. So it's more like 20. :lol:
 

CBOMB

Active Member
You say you agree with my post then proceed to mock it. You protest that your time is limited and valuable, yet you've posted almost 60 times to this thread alone. You claim to want to stimulate discussion yet belittle anyone who disagrees with you. But that's your style and we all need to get used to it. So thanks for that heads-up. Now I know enough to steer clear of any thread you're involved in, including the remainder of this one.

Dropping out of a discussion is always an option for everyone here, but I really fail to see where anyone has mocked your post. If I chose to ignore threads where some folks might differ from my point of view, I would have nowhere to go. If you knew WDW 1974's style of posting you would realize that he thinks that everybody's post deserves a response from him if need be. How many times have you seen a post directed at someone, and they failed to respond to it. I certainly know I've seen a number of them. A multiple quote post lacks the feeling of a direct response to the individual poster. Personally I would take more offense at a poster that just completely ignored my post.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
You say you agree with my post then proceed to mock it. You protest that your time is limited and valuable, yet you've posted almost 60 times to this thread alone. You claim to want to stimulate discussion yet belittle anyone who disagrees with you. But that's your style and we all need to get used to it. So thanks for that heads-up. Now I know enough to steer clear of any thread you're involved in, including the remainder of this one.

OK, I give up!

You totally missed what I was saying.

I wasn't mocking your post in the least. Hell, I listed a bunch of things that I had enjoyed at WDW -- the simple things -- much like you did.

What I did say was that I don't have much time to post here and therefore I can't/won't spend it talking about all the things Disney does right or that I enjoy. And that it's fine for some folks to gush about The Mouse, but that's not me.

You really totally missed my point. But I wasn't putting you or your ideas down in the least.

Trust me, you'd know if I had!
 

baz212

New Member
First, I can't believe I read all 26 pages. Second, I agree wholeheartedly with WDW1974's views that cleanliness and "show" has declined in recent years. I have been to WDW more times than most people I know here in the rural part of Central IL. I stayed at Poly in 85 when I was 5, Contemporary in 87, when I was seven, off-site with Magic Music days in 94, and later that summer at PO with my parents and cousins, in the late 90's when then NEA covention was there at All-star Music with my parents and fiance, All-Star Music in 2002 on my honeymoon and at Pop this past May with my DH and DS4.

My memory may be faulty of my first 2 trips because of my age, but I remeber everything being spotless, and every attraction running perfectly.The only complaint I remeber was transportation to places that the monorail didn't go. In high school DHS was kind of boring and MK and EPCOT were fun, but not as clean as I remembered. The trips I remeber most clearly are the ones from the late 90's til now.

When we were down there for the convention THings were still pretty good. Not as clean, but it was the week of July 4th and there was one of the largest conventions in the country there at the time. Test Track was brand new and officially open, if you can call it that. I think we only managed to ride it once, the whole week we were down there and were very dissapointed, it was shut down the rest of the time. None of us thought it lived up to the E-ticket that it had marketed as, and the three of us who were repeat visitors mourned the loss of WOM. RNRC was in soft opening that same trip and we were very impressed with that. We lucked onto that coaster probably 10 times during the week we were there.We just timed it right.

On my Honeymoon I noticed things were significantly dirtier and shabbier that my last trip, but nowhere near as bad as things were in May. I was very disappointed with my first ride on Soarin. DS loved it but the adults spent the rest of day complaining about the quality of the film. I am a theatre nut, and am usually very good at suspending disbelief, but the film quality was so poor, that even I couldn't suspend my disbelief. Maelstrom looked like it hadn't had any maintenance since it was built. SGE missed the target audience of kids and lost the previous audience of adults that AE had had. The only truly good show I remember was EE and Nemo at AK. We werelucky enough to see Yeti in A mode.

I'm not sure I should even start with the dining. I had good meals, I'm not saying I didn't, but the quality and choices were not the same. On my honeymoon, DH and my favorite restaurant was Marrakesh, so it was a must do this trip. Now it is a must don't. I am picky and I don't like pepper(any kind even black table pepper) In 2002 the dishes at Marrakesh no pepper they flavored with saffron and other spices. This year I couldn't eat my chicken, there was so much pepper on it. I was glad I had gotten an appetizer. With the exception of the signature restaurants, DS had very little to choose from. I couldn't even get him a hot dog at Pop. That was an adult meal. We were on the DDP. He couldn't get the same chicken nuggets that the adults were eating, Instead of Chicken breast nuggets, he was stuck with processed parts. I could go on with the food, but I won't.

I miss the WDW I remeber from my childhood, not necessarily the attraction or the lack of buses, but the cleanliness and the high quality food and the choices. I miss wanting to stop in every store you passed because they all had at some merchandise that was exclusive to that store. The only thing has survived mostly intact is the friendliness and helpfulness of the most frontline castmembers. I wish the management would follow their example.
 

MousDad

New Member
I was under the impression that Disney is no longer accepting letters. They are returned, unopened, to the sender. I was told it was inacted to avoid lawsuits.

Someone sends a lettere that says "you should put more garbage cans on Main Street". This person visits WDW and sees more cans, and says "hey, thats my idea" and now sues for Disney implimenting his idea. Of course the case has no merit, but lawyers and court costs add up.

Of course this may all be a giant hoax/rumor for all I know.

-dave

This rumor was from an Al Lutz update a few months ago, and was reported in respect to Disneyland specifically (but implied all the parks). I have been searching various forums to see if there has been any anecdotal evidence that this is true, but so far haven't seen any.

Most people still seem to be getting the standard replies to letters. I have yet to read anyone report one being sent back unopened and stamped. If anyone has other info, I'd be curious to hear it.

Either Al was dead wrong on this one, or it hasn't been fully implemented yet.
 

Timmay

Well-Known Member
Won't somebody please ban the all-too-ever-so-negative WDW1974 from this forum? He's not welcome here, IMO. :mad:

Actually, he's not welcome at ANY Disney forum, due to his annoying and often discriminatory elitist attitude. And it's obvious that he's waaaaaaaay too anti-Disney for his own good.

Also, WDW1974, if you hate WDW so much, STOP GOING THERE!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Where are the "voices of reason" like Enderikari and Wannab@dis when you need them?! :(

So it has come to this...wanting people banned and telling them they are not welcome because their opinion is not the same as yours.:shrug:

I don't agree with WDW1974 and think he is way off base with his reasoning...but banning him...wow!!
 

Phonedave

Well-Known Member
On my honeymoon, DH and my favorite restaurant was Marrakesh, so it was a must do this trip. Now it is a must don't. I am picky and I don't like pepper(any kind even black table pepper) In 2002 the dishes at Marrakesh no pepper they flavored with saffron and other spices. This year I couldn't eat my chicken, there was so much pepper on it. I was glad I had gotten an appetizer.


I agree with eveything else you said. But did you ASK for no pepper ?

If you asked for no pepper, and they added it, well then thats a different story. But to condem a place because they use pepper in their food does not make sense. Some people like pepper. I cheer for the use of more pepper :)

-dave
 

baz212

New Member
I agree with eveything else you said. But did you ASK for no pepper ?

If you asked for no pepper, and they added it, well then thats a different story. But to condem a place because they use pepper in their food does not make sense. Some people like pepper. I cheer for the use of more pepper :)

-dave

I wasn't blaming them for using pepper, it was an example of food quality going down. using black pepper instead of saffron and not mentioning it in the item description is downgrade in quality from 2002.
 

C&D

Well-Known Member
Digresssion and pointless examples (as in, "look, this tree in this grand forest has a discolored leaf"); Disney still sets the standard (in so many ways). You can't please all the people all the time, the diversity of opinion is just too wide and varied. I respect the original poster's opinion; just don't agree with it.
 

yankspy

Well-Known Member
First, I can't believe I read all 26 pages. Second, I agree wholeheartedly with WDW1974's views that cleanliness and "show" has declined in recent years. I have been to WDW more times than most people I know here in the rural part of Central IL. I stayed at Poly in 85 when I was 5, Contemporary in 87, when I was seven, off-site with Magic Music days in 94, and later that summer at PO with my parents and cousins, in the late 90's when then NEA covention was there at All-star Music with my parents and fiance, All-Star Music in 2002 on my honeymoon and at Pop this past May with my DH and DS4.

My memory may be faulty of my first 2 trips because of my age, but I remeber everything being spotless, and every attraction running perfectly.The only complaint I remeber was transportation to places that the monorail didn't go. In high school DHS was kind of boring and MK and EPCOT were fun, but not as clean as I remembered. The trips I remeber most clearly are the ones from the late 90's til now.

When we were down there for the convention THings were still pretty good. Not as clean, but it was the week of July 4th and there was one of the largest conventions in the country there at the time. Test Track was brand new and officially open, if you can call it that. I think we only managed to ride it once, the whole week we were down there and were very dissapointed, it was shut down the rest of the time. None of us thought it lived up to the E-ticket that it had marketed as, and the three of us who were repeat visitors mourned the loss of WOM. RNRC was in soft opening that same trip and we were very impressed with that. We lucked onto that coaster probably 10 times during the week we were there.We just timed it right.

On my Honeymoon I noticed things were significantly dirtier and shabbier that my last trip, but nowhere near as bad as things were in May. I was very disappointed with my first ride on Soarin. DS loved it but the adults spent the rest of day complaining about the quality of the film. I am a theatre nut, and am usually very good at suspending disbelief, but the film quality was so poor, that even I couldn't suspend my disbelief. Maelstrom looked like it hadn't had any maintenance since it was built. SGE missed the target audience of kids and lost the previous audience of adults that AE had had. The only truly good show I remember was EE and Nemo at AK. We werelucky enough to see Yeti in A mode.

I'm not sure I should even start with the dining. I had good meals, I'm not saying I didn't, but the quality and choices were not the same. On my honeymoon, DH and my favorite restaurant was Marrakesh, so it was a must do this trip. Now it is a must don't. I am picky and I don't like pepper(any kind even black table pepper) In 2002 the dishes at Marrakesh no pepper they flavored with saffron and other spices. This year I couldn't eat my chicken, there was so much pepper on it. I was glad I had gotten an appetizer. With the exception of the signature restaurants, DS had very little to choose from. I couldn't even get him a hot dog at Pop. That was an adult meal. We were on the DDP. He couldn't get the same chicken nuggets that the adults were eating, Instead of Chicken breast nuggets, he was stuck with processed parts. I could go on with the food, but I won't.

I miss the WDW I remeber from my childhood, not necessarily the attraction or the lack of buses, but the cleanliness and the high quality food and the choices. I miss wanting to stop in every store you passed because they all had at some merchandise that was exclusive to that store. The only thing has survived mostly intact is the friendliness and helpfulness of the most frontline castmembers. I wish the management would follow their example.
I am curious, what specific food choice did you have there as a kid that they do not have now? Also, is it fair to say that you were unable to get your son a hot dog at POP when you really could. I do not mean to attack you I just do not necessarily agree with the food aspect of your post.
 

Phonedave

Well-Known Member
I wasn't blaming them for using pepper, it was an example of food quality going down. using black pepper instead of saffron and not mentioning it in the item description is downgrade in quality from 2002.

That's a heck of a stretch. Saffron vs. black pepper is hardly a substitution for economy sake. Maybe the dish was tweaked. Yes saffron is more expensive, but they are hardly similar ingredientes. It not as if they replaced shaved white truffels with button mushrooms. Thats a clear cheapening.

Was saffron mentioned in the item description ?

There is allway the option of sending a dish back as well. Yes it can be a risk, and it can be something some people dont have the minerals to do, but a simple explination to the server would have cleared up the reason

-dave
 

baz212

New Member
I am curious, what specific food choice did you have there as a kid that they do not have now? Also, is it fair to say that you were unable to get your son a hot dog at POP when you really could. I do not mean to attack you I just do not necessarily agree with the food aspect of your post.
We couldn't get him a hot dog using his DDP quick service credit because it was an adult meal. There were a couple of restaurants that we chose not to eat at because there was no longer a dish I liked on the menu. I do not remember the exact dishes I ate on my honeymoon, I just know I liked some of the restaurants like Brown Derby and Chefs de France on previous visits and couldn't find a thing on the menu that I cared to eat this trip, so we skipped them. I also remeber having 4 to 6 choices for a kid's meal at every restaurant as a kid. Now most places only have 2 or 3 choices. One specific dish is fettuccine Alfredo. On previous trips I had at the restaurant in Italy and at Tony's. Now you can't find it anywhere on property that you can use the DDP.
 

baz212

New Member
That's a heck of a stretch. Saffron vs. black pepper is hardly a substitution for economy sake. Maybe the dish was tweaked. Yes saffron is more expensive, but they are hardly similar ingredientes. It not as if they replaced shaved white truffels with button mushrooms. Thats a clear cheapening.

Was saffron mentioned in the item description ?

There is allway the option of sending a dish back as well. Yes it can be a risk, and it can be something some people dont have the minerals to do, but a simple explination to the server would have cleared up the reason

-dave
I know nothing about mushrooms as I'm allergic, but substituting black pepper for saffron is a huge difference. Saffrron prices range from $500-$5000 per pound depending on the grade. Black peppercorns range from $10-maybe $50 a pound although I couldn't find any higher than $30 a pound. Black pepper is at least 100 times cheaper than saffron.

My son was getting cranky and it wasn't worth it. I just nibbled my way back around the world showcase that night.

I'm not trying to start a fight, just stating some facts and observations. Sorry if I offended anyone.
 

yankspy

Well-Known Member
We couldn't get him a hot dog using his DDP quick service credit because it was an adult meal. There were a couple of restaurants that we chose not to eat at because there was no longer a dish I liked on the menu. I do not remember the exact dishes I ate on my honeymoon, I just know I liked some of the restaurants like Brown Derby and Chefs de France on previous visits and couldn't find a thing on the menu that I cared to eat this trip, so we skipped them. I also remeber having 4 to 6 choices for a kid's meal at every restaurant as a kid. Now most places only have 2 or 3 choices. One specific dish is fettuccine Alfredo. On previous trips I had at the restaurant in Italy and at Tony's. Now you can't find it anywhere on property that you can use the DDP.
It is kind of ironic because many would say that it is the DDP that causes a lot of these problems that you speak of.

I understood what you were saying with the hot dog meal I was just pointing out that it was still available, just not as a kids meal. Kids meals are always a tough thing in any restaurant. There is very little profit made from them. To be honest, I do not remember much variety in food at WDW when I was a kid. I remember being thrilled just to get pizza at Stargate in Epcot. Perhaps I am remembering wrong?
 

baz212

New Member
It is kind of ironic because many would say that it is the DDP that causes a lot of these problems that you speak of.

I understood what you were saying with the hot dog meal I was just pointing out that it was still available, just not as a kids meal. Kids meals are always a tough thing in any restaurant. There is very little profit made from them.
It may be ironic, but my DH and I utilized the magic wishes version of the dining plan that they offered in 2002, so the existence of a dining plan is not new. It's just in a slightly different form.

Personally I would rather pay more for the kid's meals or the kid's DDP and have more choices or at least the same chicken nuggets that the adults get.

I could be remembering the kids meals wrong or remembering the choices my 8yo cousin had when we took her in the 90's.
 

yankspy

Well-Known Member
It may be ironic, but my DH and I utilized the magic wishes version of the dining plan that they offered in 2002, so the existence of a dining plan is not new. It's just in a slightly different form.

Personally I would rather pay more for the kid's meals or the kid's DDP and have more choices or at least the same chicken nuggets that the adults get.

I could be remembering the kids meals wrong or remembering the choices my 8yo cousin had when we took her in the 90's.
True. I did not mean to suggest that I believe that the DDP is to blame, it is just something you often hear. I really do not know either way.
 

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