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EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment
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RSoxNo1
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This really is the attraction that should be using trackless tech. I discussed this a few months ago on a podcast and while #NotAnImagineer, I think there are plenty of "new tricks" in the Imagineering playbook to make this an amazing ride.
I think you could re-do the initial scene with trackless vehicles, but then have that be a new starting off point. Guests familiar with the original will love it, but you can do so much more now with that scene and the rest of the experience.
I think you could re-do the initial scene with trackless vehicles, but then have that be a new starting off point. Guests familiar with the original will love it, but you can do so much more now with that scene and the rest of the experience.
Bocabear
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What are we looking at??
brb1006
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Seems legit...
Homemade Imagineering
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This has to be the biggest troll in theme park history, how Disney constantly teases Dreamfinder & Figment through merch and social media platforms, and yet they still haven't done anything with the attraction in 20 years... it's painfully hilarious to me, although I really hope all of this teasing pays off in the end when Imagination gets its long awaited redo. With this being said, I do wonder if they'd ever consider bringing back the old Dreamfinder & Figment Meet n Greet, in order to measure guest satisfaction and interest.
DoleWhipDrea
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Considering that EPCOT Forever originally had plans to be hosted by Figment and Dreamfinder (to then be changed because Disney didn’t want to be seen as “promising anything”), I think the only way the two would return as a meet and greet is if the Imagination Pavilion stars them in the updated incarnation.
The teases we keep getting at least indicate that they’re still being talked about for a future update. Disney behaved similarly with the Hatbox Ghost for DLR.
Homemade Imagineering
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I really hope this is the case, since you’d think Chapek and Iger wouldn’t want to include them simply because they’re not IP. I do find it interesting that many imagineers on their social media platforms, and elsewhere have given subtle hints as to what’s in store for Imagination. It doesn’t seem like a coincidence that Imagination has been ignored thus far.
DoleWhipDrea
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Absolutely. To be honest I’m somewhat relieved that there hasn’t been an official announcement for an update yet. WDI knows that this next makeover has to be done right and given the budget it deserves, and thus far the higher ups haven’t seemingly been generous with funds when it comes to what EPCOT fans really want. They really can’t afford to mess up the pavilion up again.
Figment2.0
New Member
It would take a lot of modifications to go trackless but I would not be upset or they could just use the entire building again and 2.0 the show idk what’s in store but figment has to have a psychedelic nod to it
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
The initial budget for an Imagination redo should be enough for a gut of the building that would allow for trackless tech. That was years ago though.
UNCgolf
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I think I would prefer they not use the trackless tech. It almost requires gigantic rooms in order to take full advantage of the technology (otherwise the ride would probably work on a track), and also seems to need large ride vehicles in order to keep the hourly capacity up. I believe Imagination needs something a bit more intimate.
Mystic Manor looks great, but even it occasionally feels like the scale is too large for what they're trying to do.
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Homemade Imagineering
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At this point, if they drop Figment from his attraction anytime in the next 7 or so years as apart of an update, I'd really be questioning the way the execs are thinking. His popularity among guests only seems to be increasing atm, and to kill that for something like Inside Out or another IP would absolutely baffle me. Never say never though, especially with the company in its current state...
lazyboy97o
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True trackless is one of those things that sounds cool but really is a very expense way of enabling bad habits, particularly a lack of commitment. The money could be better utilized using guide wire trackless like is used on the Tower of Terror and was used on The Great Movie Ride and Universe of Energy. Contemporary technology allows for smaller, more spritely vehicles that can not only follow paths, but diverge, backtrack, crossover, and pretty much imitate all of the cool tricks associated with true trackless vehicles. You can also get that intimacy because you're dealing with a fixed path that is known and designed around.
HMF
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With all due respect what about this EPCOT Re-imagining gives you any clue WDI cares what EPCOT fans want?
Bender123
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I just get the feeling that WDW is making the same mis-steps they made in 2001-2010...During a time when they could use their period of lower attendance, they decide to grip down harder on prices and cut back on what few services remain.
When everything is open, what makes them think I would want to return? They just keeping squeezed out the middle class families and, with the poor decisions on services, eliminating the annual pass at DL and disrespecting the Disney legacy, they really want to eliminate the fans.
I feel like there was a real desire by WDI to make Epcot great again, but the executives just want Epcot to sell booze.
I am finding less and less reason to care about the "next trip"...
SplashJacket
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I mean, it's not exactly the same. Galaxy's Edge had not even been open for a year and Mickey hadn't even been open for a month when everything closed down. The average guest has yet to experience either so they are still new to most people who visit.
Even in 2021, Ratatouille and quite possibly Harmonious will open.
In 2022 it looks like both Tron and Guardians will open.
There are so many projects that just finished or are ongoing that it isn't all that reasonable to go on an expansion frenzy during all this.
There are a lot of incentives for people who want to experience something new to visit over the next couple of years.
I believe Marni previously mentioned that there was going to be a lull period after Tron and Guardians, so the delays that we are seeing may not ultimately affect future projects all that much since there was already an intended lull.
Don't get me wrong, I think the parks need a lot more work, but I do not think it is unreasonable of Disney to take a breather. It would be a mistake, however, to have an extended breather of several years.
Bender123
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Its not a "breather" when they cancel announced projects...SE needs work, a lot of work, and they just shelved it indefinitely. The central Spine, love it or hate it, got a major focal point canceled. They also are eliminating Magical Express, shelved almost all live entertainment, eliminated EMH and a boat load of other cutbacks that will likely never return.
They are completing a few things they had in process, but basically scrapped everything else.
The issue is that Uni will continue to invest and build, while WDW continues to stress the bounds of price to value.
Bocabear
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Though no one expected Covid, you would have thought they would have been extra super sure before engaging the wrecking ball...tearing down a relatively new and well used Starbucks and demolishing the central plaza of a major theme park that they now have no foreseeable plans to complete... Add all the other projects that were announced and then cancelled along with rising prices, it makes WDW seem like not a great value... They have been playing the "take two attractions away, build one new" for far too long in overcrowded parks that desperately need expansion.
Homemade Imagineering
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Yeah, it's slowly become clearer over the past five years up until now, and the fact they haven't prioritized Imagination seems obvious, whether that's for the better, or for worse. I do remember back in August of 2019, when you claimed a redo was on the horizon five years from now, one that may even include both Figment and Dreamfinder based around talks you heard going around WDI. I know with everything going on it's hard to tell, but has anything changed since then? It seems as if WDI has great interest in Figment himself, and he sells like crazy, so is it really out of the realm of possibility that we may finally get the attraction we've been waiting for, or rather at the very least, an attraction featuring Figment?