Mickeynerd17
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I really hope your right about that one.
I would literally forgive everything else they've done to EPCOT for this overhaul if they bring back Dreamfinder and Figment together again. I'm THAT desperate.
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EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment
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I would literally forgive everything else they've done to EPCOT for this overhaul if they bring back Dreamfinder and Figment together again. I'm THAT desperate.
Haymarket2008
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Despite the fact that I am an enormous Figment fan, I do think that we're going to end up with the redo we've waited for. There are just too many signs and references to ignore in the language of the people working on the Epcot overhaul. Predominantly Zach Riddley. I'd bet lots of money that it is coming. Slowly, very slowly, but still on its way.
Homemade Imagineering
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I’d certainly like to think so. It also seems that any plans to shoehorn Inside Out into the pavillion are dead, which is a good sign of things to come. I believe the Inside Out proposal didn’t even include Figment, according to an insider here.
Mickeynerd17
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Yea, somebody on this forum did.
I could not imagine them killing the center of one of the most popular parts of the Parks fandom instantly like that, but then again I also didn't imagine they would destroy FoN, so...
Homemade Imagineering
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Yeah, it’s mind boggling to me why they didn’t jump on the opportunity to revitalize this attraction for once and for all. At this point, I’m guessing plans for this are off the table, or are simply paused at the moment. I don’t know if you’ve answered this question yet, but with everything going on do you think it’s even realistic at this point to see a new attraction come to fruition around 2025 still? I feel like it’ll be further pushed back because of everything that’s happened.
Cmdr_Crimson
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I would take this over a Mary Poppins ride any day...It Would be a nice birthday announcement during Epcot's 40th in 2022..
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Mickeynerd17
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100% correct.
The only thing they've really gotten correct since 1996 is Test Track. Everything else has been either a shadow of its former self or a complete failure. They're just finally having to deal with a park they completely messed up 20+ years ago because people only want to come to it now for the booze and maybe a spin on Test Track or Soarin.
If they had fixed Epcot before HWS, this would be a totally different story, but that's a whole different argument on which park was more desperately needing help at the time. Innoventions was still somewhat a real thing back then.
Even better, if DLP wasn't such a financial failure, we might have had an entirely different Future World. One with an updated Horizons, a real Imagination, and plenty more substantial updates because the cash could've been there, but instead we got another park that hasn't made money until a few years ago.
Sigh.
UNCgolf
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Even Test Track wasn't as good as World of Motion and its pavilion, but it wasn't a serious downgrade like almost everything else they've done. It was still a solid experience, if slightly lesser than what existed before.
Mickeynerd17
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Sure, it wasn't as solid in comparison to the EPCOT Center classics, but it was quite a solid attraction by itself with lots of theming in the queue, and IMHO in the ride itself. We downgraded in 2013 with the current where everything is either a screen or a couple of light effects.
I would even say Ellen wasn't a serious downgrade either. It actually worked for the first 5-10 years after it opened, but got really old once we hit the 2010s. Count current SSE in that too minus descent.
Everything else has been pretty bad. Nemo was forced into the Seas, Innoventions was a failure, Imagination, Frozen was a last-minute capitalization on a hit film, the complete waste of space that is Wonders of Life, and the list keeps going.
The one pavilion that really has survived through this nonsense is The Land, but it hasn't had a substantial update since 2005. Living with the Land is still quite popular, and its literally a boat ride through greenhouses!
Disney Maddux
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I think The Land is completely fine as it is. Soarin's extremely long wait-times were fixed by the addition of the third theater, Living with the Land is popular both with regular guests and the main WDW community, and Awesome Planet has proven to be great.
DreamfinderGuy
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Are you talking about creating a solid attraction, creating one that fits thematically with the park, or creating an attraction that's a worthy successor to it's predecessor? Because EPCOT has gotten solid attractions and ones that fit well alike since 1996, and you'd be hard pressed to justify driving through a warehouse with road cones being better than the majesty that was World of Motion.
That being said Awesome Planet "got it right" for all three, somewhat so with Soarin' (OG) too. The park hasn't had a straight line of failures through the last 20 years, how many just depends on the context you're viewing them with.
UNCgolf
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I wasn't really counting Ellen since it was an update rather than a replacement, and like you said, it was fine at first before becoming outdated. And yes, I agree on Test Track 1.0. The whole experience counting the postshow was lesser than World of Motion, but it was still a good ride and if they were going to replace World of Motion they could have done much worse.
The Seas is mostly okay beyond the ride itself, and you can just skip that and go inside through the exit. There's not a ton of Nemo stuff inside the actual pavilion. Of course it's still lost quite a lot from its heyday when it was actually designed to make you think you were in an underwater station instead of just an aquarium.
Living with the Land is one of my favorite rides at WDW!
UNCgolf
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The Land is the only pavilion they've really to update without making it worse. Even there the central area is nowhere near as nice as it once was with the moving balloons and the fountain, but it was inevitable that the fountain would go as the crowd levels increased. Needed that space.
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Mickeynerd17
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I know I'm in the minority opinion on this, but I actually think Test Track 1.0 was a worthy successor to World of Motion.
For starters, the idea was in the original 1970's pavilion concept with a "test track" of driving futuristic cars, except they couldn't pull off the tech back then. The theming inside the pavilion was top-notch with all of the test dummies, trashed cars, and all sorts of other props everywhere in the pavilion. The pavilion itself was still very edutainment with all the factoids in the queue and the different tests, which are pretty accurate to safety testing back in 1999. The biggest part of all is that Test Track actually fit GM's image much better than WoM because TT was linked closer to GM and its products through safety testing and cars while WoM was basically another SSE except about transportation with the only GM representation being in the post-show, meaning that GM could showcase itself and its products through the entire pavilion in Test Track instead of just the post show. It makes logical sense.
Now, as for being a warehouse with some traffic cones, There was plenty more theming inside there than that. You had the Belgian blocks, the enviro chambers we're chock-full of props and car parts (plus they actually produced hot and cold sensations), the barrier test had a ton of stuff too. They also really didn't need to hide the show building supports because real safety testing takes place in a standard warehouse/facility, so it really compliments the theme more than anything. For a thrill ride, it was highly-themed and still fit Epcot's goals and ideals.
So, IMHO, Test Track was a quality successor to WoM and a better fit for GM overall. Now as for TT 2.0, it basically took all the good theming of 1.0 and chucked it into a dumpster fire (also the Lounge window into the ride is pitch-black now except for the faint blue tail-lights of the vehicles).
DreamfinderGuy
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I'm gonna stop you right there. It fit GM better, not EPCOT. Again, extremely EPCOT centric attraction gutted and replaced by speeding through an empty warehouse with road cones. TT's post show fit the park better than the main show did honestly.
Mickeynerd17
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Really?
How was TT not edutainment? It was literally all about car safety and educated the guests on such. How does that not fit Epcot?
DreamfinderGuy
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World of Motion specifically gave you a look back into Transportation's story and then gave you a glimpse of it's potential future. Test Track gave you neither (unless you count the reused World of Motion vehicle in the queue as "a look back", I guess) and instead focused on the present, where you boarded an experience based on something soulless and mundane originally. It's a cheap thrill, which has somewhat been plussed with the 2012 overhaul.
Mickeynerd17
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Ok, you do have a point there, but in regards to Epcot's ideals and goals, which were to entertain, inform, and inspire. Test Track accomplished the first two just fine because the thrill part is definitely entertaining, and it did inform people about how cars were being tested for safety back in 1999. It does lack in Inspire because it didn't really look to the future.
All in all, it just comes down to opinion. I'm a bit biased because TT kickstarted my love for the park as a 3-year-old, and holds a special place in my heart. It must've done something right.
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The film part.. I called it.
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