EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

[Theme Park Nerdo]

Speaking of which, the 2020 Birbham’s WDW Guide has this “interesting” information:

 

[itsy bitsy spider]

This isn't about what his attraction was like. It is about what it is now and it is currently abysmal.

 

[Timothy_Q]

This isn't about what his attraction was like. It is about what it is now. And it is abysmal.

That's been the consensus since it opened in 2002. Nobody likes it.

People like the character and want it better represented in the park

 

[FigmentJedi]

This isn't about what his attraction was like. It is about what it is now. And it is abysmal.

The point is people know that Figment's been done dirty and that they want justice for him. Even people in Imagineering feel this way, but budgets for refurbs involving a throwback approach kept getting appropriated for IP projects elsewhere in the parks. Even that Marvel comic book from a few years ago was basically an Imagineering pitch document for a Figment reboot.

 

[pdude81]

He survives because even this junky version of the ride is enough to remind us how cool the Pavilion used to be and spend money on nostalgic Figment gear. And how do you wander into a thread with Figment's name in the title twice and ask why we're still taking about him?

 

[Surferboy567]

Now this is a RUMOR take it with a grain of salt and all that. This applies both to the Redo of Imagination as well to Epcot Forever but it matters more for imagination and that’s why I’m posting it here. As everyone knows in Epcot Forever children and NOT Dreamfinder or Figment sing “One Little Spark” in the show. According to Jim Hill and Len on the latest edition of the Disney Dish this was a very hard decision and basically as Len said it the reason why the children were chosen is “Don’t make promises we cannot keep”. Apparently Imagination is in Phase 2 of Epcot’s re-do and they aren’t sure what they are going to do. Including how big of a role Figment will have as well as if Dreamfinder will even appear. I know this has been said by some insiders over the course of time, but I found these little more tidbits to be interesting.

 

[itsy bitsy spider]

Now this is a RUMOR take it with a grain of salt and all that. This applies both to the Redo of Imagination as well to Epcot Forever but it matters more for imagination and that’s why I’m posting it here. As everyone knows in Epcot Forever children and NOT Dreamfinder or Figment sing “One Little Spark” in the show. According to Jim Hill and Len on the latest edition of the Disney Dish this was a very hard decision and basically as Len said it the reason why the children were chosen is “Don’t make promises we cannot keep”. Apparently Imagination is in Phase 2 of Epcot’s re-do and they aren’t sure what they are going to do. Including how big of a role Figment will have as well as if Dreamfinder will even appear. I know this has been said by some insiders over the course of time, but I found these little more tidbits to be interesting.

Jim Hill is a lying sack of you know what. He has been making up lies for years and his cohost Len just nods and smiles like grandma is telling him a bedtime story.

 

[pdude81]

Now this is a RUMOR take it with a grain of salt and all that. This applies both to the Redo of Imagination as well to Epcot Forever but it matters more for imagination and that’s why I’m posting it here. As everyone knows in Epcot Forever children and NOT Dreamfinder or Figment sing “One Little Spark” in the show. According to Jim Hill and Len on the latest edition of the Disney Dish this was a very hard decision and basically as Len said it the reason why the children were chosen is “Don’t make promises we cannot keep”. Apparently Imagination is in Phase 2 of Epcot’s re-do and they aren’t sure what they are going to do. Including how big of a role Figment will have as well as if Dreamfinder will even appear. I know this has been said by some insiders over the course of time, but I found these little more tidbits to be interesting.

I don't really follow the logic on using children instead of the characters to sing the song. Does that mean Kitchen Kabaret is coming back?

 

[Kman101]

I don't really follow the logic on using children instead of the characters to sing the song. Does that mean Kitchen Kabaret is coming back?

lol!

I can imagine show creators going for the 'safe' route but I doubt it truly hinges on the future of the ride. I doubt Imagineering said "better not use Figment or Dreamfinder" ... just seems like a safe route for creatives behind the show so they don't make promises they aren't sure will be kept. If they included either, guests would run with it as "Dreamfinder is coming back" when in reality, the show is a tribute to the past (so his inclusion would feel natural, but you know the stans ...) and a brief glimpse into the future. They clearly enjoy One Little Spark, and I know folks took that as a "sign" so maybe they were right to use kids instead.

I think they mostly used kids because kids "inspire hope for the future" I guess .... I didn't mind the kids but I know some did (why?)

 

[brb1006]

Jim Hill is a lying sack of you know what. He has been making up lies for years and his cohost Len just nods and smiles like grandma is telling him a bedtime story.

A broken clock can be right twice a day. Every once in a while Jim can be correct. I also enjoy his podcasts since he discuss some lesser-known and obscure information and history behind Disney Films and Parks.

 

[itsy bitsy spider]

A broken clock can be right twice a day. Every once in a while Jim can be correct.

So is my senile grandfather, but he still doesn't know who I am and what the hell is going on.

 

[ObscurityPoint]

The post that Joshua is responding to here is Dan’s post, where he states how he thinks the announcement of imagination and Mexico are both imminent, due to the fact that they are officially part of the permanent model in the odyssey. I thought I’d just share this with all of you... what do you guys think of this?

Probably both part of Phase 2. I’m still banking on a Coco overlay to Mexico, since Miguel is featured in the new fireworks show, and drastic changes to Imagination. I’d even bet that a Brazil or Spain/new country announcement would be part of this Phase 2 lineup, but even that could be overshooting. I’m sure we won’t know until progress on the other new additions get more underway.....or until WDW wants to mask their little Skyliner incident with positive press.

 

[RSoxNo1]

So is my senile grandfather, but he still doesn't know who I am and what the hell is going on.

Nice to see @WDW1974 created a new account here.

 

[brb1006]

So is my senile grandfather, but he still doesn't know who I am and what the hell is going on.

Your starting to sound like Ford Exploder now.

 

[Thelazer]

Oddly, you'd think the merchandise group would have INSISTED they use dream-finder, it would have moved product.

 

[marni1971]

Now this is a RUMOR take it with a grain of salt and all that. This applies both to the Redo of Imagination as well to Epcot Forever but it matters more for imagination and that’s why I’m posting it here. As everyone knows in Epcot Forever children and NOT Dreamfinder or Figment sing “One Little Spark” in the show. According to Jim Hill and Len on the latest edition of the Disney Dish this was a very hard decision and basically as Len said it the reason why the children were chosen is “Don’t make promises we cannot keep”. Apparently Imagination is in Phase 2 of Epcot’s re-do and they aren’t sure what they are going to do. Including how big of a role Figment will have as well as if Dreamfinder will even appear. I know this has been said by some insiders over the course of time, but I found these little more tidbits to be interesting.

Figment was the original proposal for the narrator of Forever.

 

[Thelazer]

Figment was the original proposal for the narrator of Forever.

UGH... WHY GOD WHY! WHY!... Who in the hell shot that down I mean that is like a no brainier "YESSSS!!!!" idea to have figment narrate it (2nd only to the Horizons Family doing the Narration)

 

[trainplane3]

Figment was the original proposal for the narrator of Forever.

Ouch. It sure feels like he should've been. I don't like the future of the pavilion all of the sudden.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

I think they mostly used kids because kids "inspire hope for the future" I guess .... I didn't mind the kids but I know some did (why?)

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Figment was the original proposal for the narrator of Forever.

Ah, so it would have perfectly fit in similarity to Jiminy Cricket ala Wishes..And the shirt they had (which should have also been for adults) shows that he was to be said host..