Rumor Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

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Streetway

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Moth said:
The full attention isn't really ON EPCOT, it's on AK and MK but the issue is now when EPCOT50 rolls around, they dont want a ride built in 1999 that got some AAs glued in 2002 to represent their mascot and a ride from 2007 to talk about technology and the future.

So while AK and MK have the finest men on the line, ready to rock (and from what I hear, they're serious), Imagination is being pushed aside because SE needs some lovin' more than it does and EPCOT, especially as of 'today' with the glorified mall hallway opening, has been marked "not a big issue".

Great things will be announced for AK and MK. But outside of the possibility of SE refurb being announced (it apparently won over Imagination), don't expect much for EPCOT because there's not much really going on there because they don't want to touch it more for awhile.

You aren't getting Brazil.

You aren't getting Imagination 1.0 rising from the ashes.

You aren't getting WoL's space touched unless a sponsor steps in/a REALLY good Inside Out pitch comes about along with good box office on IO2.

You will get a pretty good Test Track 3 and Spaceship Earth 5 if what I hear is true.


But I'm sorry to all the Imagination fans, but Disney higher ups seem fine giving bandages to him just so they can sell "FIGMENT FLOWER FESTIVAL 20XX LOUNGEFLY BAG" and "WINKING FIGMENT POPCORN BUCKET".
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Somehow I always had a gut feeling it was gonna end this way. Still crushed though
 
Moth

Moth

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Earlie the Pearlie said:
For context, because I’m clueless: what would each of those buy?
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I need someone to pull the budget for some rides/rethemes to compare. I know we don't have a budget for Tiana. But TT3 is getting like, 1/3rd of the estimated $300 mil it cost to build TT 1.0, but like, inflation and stuff. Test Track's ride vehicles are also due for replacement due to general age so, it's hard to say.
 
eddie104

eddie104

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Moth said:
The full attention isn't really ON EPCOT, it's on AK and MK but the issue is now when EPCOT50 rolls around, they dont want a ride built in 1999 that got some AAs glued in 2002 to represent their mascot and a ride from 2007 to talk about technology and the future.

So while AK and MK have the finest men on the line, ready to rock (and from what I hear, they're serious), Imagination is being pushed aside because SE needs some lovin' more than it does and EPCOT, especially as of 'today' with the glorified mall hallway opening, has been marked "not a big issue".

Great things will be announced for AK and MK. But outside of the possibility of SE refurb being announced (it apparently won over Imagination), don't expect much for EPCOT because there's not much really going on there because they don't want to touch it more for awhile.

You aren't getting Brazil.

You aren't getting Imagination 1.0 rising from the ashes.

You aren't getting WoL's space touched unless a sponsor steps in/a REALLY good Inside Out pitch comes about along with good box office on IO2.

You will get a pretty good Test Track 3 and Spaceship Earth 5 if what I hear is true.


But I'm sorry to all the Imagination fans, but Disney higher ups seem fine giving bandages to him just so they can sell "FIGMENT FLOWER FESTIVAL 20XX LOUNGEFLY BAG" and "WINKING FIGMENT POPCORN BUCKET".
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Well to be honest I feel Imagination was always a weird anomaly for Disney. It seems they never really wanted to commit too much to it.

If Figment ever got representation in a movie or show I’m sure they would be more willing to invest more.
 
MK-fan

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Moth said:
Last I heard Test Track 3 was $100 mil. I know the original source who said that and was posted here is fuzzy but I heard $100 mil from other people as well.

I heard if Imagination happens it's around $45~ mil.
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Where are these numbers coming from for Figment? More hoopla?
 
999th Happy Haunt

999th Happy Haunt

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Moth said:
Getting word Imagination budget is substantially lower than the TT 3 and SSE 5 budgets I've heard.

Like. Half of TT3.

Leaning towards "current ride with Dreamfinder over Nigel Channing and some set changes".
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dreamfinding

dreamfinding

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James Alucobond said:
The TT3 budget is provided in large part by someone else, and the SSE budget is probably massively bloated due to all the things that desperately need to be addressed with the ride system. I know people want a truly stunning Imagination, and that would obviously be great, but I also think people continue to overestimate the popularity of Figment. I feel Disney knows his pull is limited and is probably looking to be slightly conservative for that reason. Honestly, people will perhaps hate me for saying this, but I wouldn't mind something more in the style of Runaway Railway, created almost exclusively with projections, mostly because I find almost none of the animatronics or sets in the current iteration to be interesting in the slightest.
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Speaking about the bolded portion: do we know exactly how bad the structural issues are? Do they want to replace the SSE ride vehicles?
 
UNCgolf

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Moth said:
Getting word Imagination budget is substantially lower than the TT 3 and SSE 5 budgets I've heard.

Like. Half of TT3.

Leaning towards "current ride with Dreamfinder over Nigel Channing and some set changes".
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I'd honestly prefer they put it off a few more years and then give it a budget worthy of the original (and of being an E ticket). If they do this limited budget overhaul, it'll likely be the ride for the next 20 years.

It's similar to how I felt about the Play! Pavilion, where that seemed like such a tremendous waste of the space that doing nothing felt like a better option. That at least left the possibility open that the pavilion would see something worthwhile eventually instead of being consigned to a mediocre at best (and likely mostly empty within a few years) use for 15+ years.
 
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dreamfinding

dreamfinding

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UNCgolf said:
I'd honestly prefer they put it off a few more years and then give it a budget worthy of the original (and of being an E ticket). If they do this limited budget overhaul, it'll likely be the ride for the next 20 years.
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It would be a band-aid on a 22 year old problem. It’s better to spend more money up front so you don’t have to worry about spending more money 5 years after the thing opens.

Invest upfront. Also, invest in things that aren’t a pain to fix. Also - preventative maintenance would have solved a lot of issues at WDW.
 
Moth

Moth

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MK-fan said:
Where are these numbers coming from for Figment? More hoopla?
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Mostly going off of prior Test Track numbers and being told it's lower by a substantial amount.

GM is footing most of the bill for TT.

SE doesn't need like, actual structural help. The dome itself is fine, it's just the track along with possible AA and effects being updated.

Maybe $45~ mil isn't the end of the world. The track and ride vehicles are still there and all that'd really be changing are sets and AA possibly.

All I heard is SSE>TT>JII (by a decent amount).

And hey, there's still years to go before they actually go forward with it I feel, the budget can go up more from here, especially with the animated project does well. It's not the end of the world, yet! This company is highly fluid and there's always pitches fighting each other.


At least that PLAY! Pavilion Figment design is dead and buried.
 
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WaluigiTime

WaluigiTime

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James Alucobond said:
The TT3 budget is provided in large part by someone else, and the SSE budget is probably massively bloated due to all the things that desperately need to be addressed with the ride system. I know people want a truly stunning Imagination, and that would obviously be great, but I also think people continue to overestimate the popularity of Figment. I feel Disney knows his pull is limited and is probably looking to be slightly conservative for that reason. Honestly, people will perhaps hate me for saying this, but I wouldn't mind something more in the style of Runaway Railway, created almost exclusively with projections, mostly because I find almost none of the animatronics or sets in the current iteration to be interesting in the slightest.
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It is also important to note that the Figment fans are already buying expensive merch with the current state of the ride so that is also another reason not to dump tons of money on it.
 
Moth

Moth

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Moth said:
I need someone to pull the budget for some rides/rethemes to compare. I know we don't have a budget for Tiana. But TT3 is getting like, 1/3rd of the estimated $300 mil it cost to build TT 1.0, but like, inflation and stuff. Test Track's ride vehicles are also due for replacement due to general age so, it's hard to say.
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ROTR is reportedly $350-mil. Cosmic Rewind was $500 mil.

Obviously none of these refurbs are touching that. The budget I want to know are things like Frozen Ever After, Test Track 2, and maybe the new Country Bears and over overhauls/refurbs.

You already got most of the Figment AAs in the ride already, along with the static figures at the end, so maybe the estimated budget can be stretched out a bit yknow?

If TT 3 is getting what I've heard for $100 mil, along with possibly redone/new ride vehicles, I can see Imagination stretching out it's lower budget well. Sure double digits on paper looks scary, but it's not like the track and vehicles need fixing. So that'd be the budget primarily going to AAs and sets.

It really depends where they spend the money at. Imagination doesn't need A-1000s as much as an A-1000 Figment/Dreamfinder would impress. It can get by using older AA models.

Slap on the fact the Dream-Machine (Dream-Mobile?) is still in archives and be probably fixed up and reused if needed...

I dunno, it can go a long way. I'm not saying doom and gloom yet but I am worried that the band-aid fix I've heard in the grapevine for two years is coming true. But who knows, maybe they can pull magic out of a hat. I'd prefer them to stay away and focus on SSE and get a better budget for Imagination.
 
dreamfinding

dreamfinding

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Moth said:
I dunno, it can go a long way. I'm not saying doom and gloom yet but I am worried that the band-aid fix I've heard in the grapevine for two years is coming true. But who knows, maybe they can pull magic out of a hat. I'd prefer them to stay away and focus on SSE and get a better budget for Imagination.
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The dream situation would be the following: court a sponsor for SSE and get them to commit to an overhaul. If that would be a previously discussed sponsor, I think it would be fine. If TWDC isn’t spending a lot of their own money on SSE, that may free some extra $$ for Imagination.

Of course, it will probably never happen…
 
Moth

Moth

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dreamfinding said:
The dream situation would be the following: court a sponsor for SSE and get them to commit to an overhaul. If that would be a previously discussed sponsor, I think it would be fine. If TWDC isn’t spending a lot of their own money on SSE, that may free some extra $$ for Imagination.

Of course, it will probably never happen…
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Hm. This feels plausible if they DO grab said sponsor, especially if it's the previously discussed sponsor which loves dumping money.

It wouldn't shock me if they're estimating less to Imagination because they're worried how much SSE will cost along with sponsor availability. But really outside of extensive track work (I don't think it's a full retracking, just getting it ready for another 40 years), I heard outside of some show scenes (Mammoth and descent are scenes I've heard specifically) not much is changing about the ride outside of removing SCREEEEEENS (fun fact! after covid there were small talks of a band-aid fix to turn off the screens and see what's left in the descent that they could reasonably get working) and new narration, of course.

I'll bookmark this post and dwell on it more, but I think getting SSE a sponsor can help Imagination in the long run.
 

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