EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

Dragonman

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So this is more then likely a leftover spare piece of one of the finale scene puppets, not an Attraction animatronic figure skin.
The giveaways are the (poorly) mounted eyes , thick short neck, and the cut away sections around the arms.

Original animatronic figures from the Original Attraction had different proportions (very slender and serpentine ) and a skin would not have pre-mounted eyes.
Heads were also a separate piece from the body, unlike what is shown here.

One of the finale puppet skins, for sure.
Still a cool item…but fix those eyes, man!

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The rest of the finale puppets were auctioned off on eBay back in 2008, maybe you can match it up with one:
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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Haven’t seen many people discuss the dedication of Your Imagination, but this was a tough watch nonetheless. This video feels like it was ripped straight out of a bad 90s Houghton Mifflin textbook

Ohhh yeah. There’s ‘def’ a reason we don’t discuss this. It’s bad on every level, truth be told. And yeah, the ride renovation/retheme isn’t much different.
 

Cmdr_Crimson

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Ohhh yeah. There’s ‘def’ a reason we don’t discuss this. It’s bad on every level, truth be told. And yeah, the ride renovation/retheme isn’t much different.
The only thing remaining from "that" version is the exterior loop (played out of order) here. You can tell as the connecting the dots segment is used in the loop.


I am curious tho...Why is the other versions of the attraction source audio so difficult to find? Yet, the only source piece is the finale of One Little spark.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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The only thing remaining from "that" version is the exterior loop (played out of order) here. You can tell as the connecting the dots segment is used in the loop.


I am curious tho...Why is the other versions of the attraction source audio so difficult to find? Yet, the only source piece is the finale of One Little spark.

Probably cause nobody wants it due to how bad of a “fix” the 02-current one is and how totally non-loved it is compared to the original? That’s my best guess, but who knows.
In truth though, that sadly isn’t the only thing left of the version in between. Most of the building & theming is intact. Will never understand why they felt the need to keep that & Dr. Channing when they were so unpopular.. I get there were budget constraints but seriously? Double down on the Honey I Shrunk/Imagination Institute tie-in? The only other reasoning I can possibly think of is sadly a pretty ugly one. But I digress…
 
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Homemade Imagineering

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Saw an old friend today!
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Gran Fiesta

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So being that I am fairly young and never got to experience anything other than the current ride, why did they change the original ride? I have watched videos of it and it looks absolutely amazing and vastly superior to what we have now. The grand building seems to warrant an attraction like the original and not the current version. Were there problems with the animatronics or what was the final reason for changing it??
 

Disgruntled Walt

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In the Parks
No
So being that I am fairly young and never got to experience anything other than the current ride, why did they change the original ride? I have watched videos of it and it looks absolutely amazing and vastly superior to what we have now. The grand building seems to warrant an attraction like the original and not the current version. Were there problems with the animatronics or what was the final reason for changing it??
I believe it was that the sponsorship agreement with Kodak required the ride to be refreshed every so many years (similar to the Test Track situation, I think). This was just the change they decided to make. I don't think they fully realized the massive misstep it would be.
 

Dragonman

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Also apparently Kodak could only fork over half the bill which is why the upstairs Imageworks got shuddered and the ride was extremely simplistic and minimal.
 

Bocabear

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those problems would be easily solved with today's technology...but it was amazing and operated on 1981 tech...vastly superior in every way. They need to go back to the Dreamport and sing about the spark of imagination...
We all need that wonderful attraction back...Massive sets, lots of animated props and those two lovable characters!!
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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So being that I am fairly young and never got to experience anything other than the current ride, why did they change the original ride? I have watched videos of it and it looks absolutely amazing and vastly superior to what we have now. The grand building seems to warrant an attraction like the original and not the current version. Were there problems with the animatronics or what was the final reason for changing it??
You deserve to know the truth. Ignore the “Kodak sponsorship/fork the money to be refreshed every so years” reasoning. It’s totally asinine & makes ‘zero’ sense from a thematic theming standpoint (not to mention a merch sales standpoint), considering they were able to follow the sponsorship agreement & thematic integrity with no issues for years. ImageWorks had been updated overtime with new activities that didn’t go against its core theming, Captain EO had gone in after Magic Journey’s run without changing the ride or guest flow. The true reasoning is inner corporate politics is to blame for changing it. Tony Baxter has said this himself. The culture within the company aswell as WDI had shifted for the worst once Frank Wells passed and folks within the company were ride or die in getting promoted and were in essence, willing to do anything they could to do so. What ultimately happened is in ‘94-98, Honey, I Shrunk the Audience opened in the Magic Eye Theatre space after Captain EO closed. Signage, queue ropes, and monorail spiels were changed to put the focus entirely on and to lead directly into Honey I Shrunk the Audience and that it was the must-see/main attraction as opposed to the Journey Into Imagination ride & ImageWorks as it’d been prior. The moment this change happened, attendance numbers to the Imagination ride & ImageWorks artificially dropped. This, along with projected maintenance costs as a whole, would give Disney’s upper management data that “Journey Into Imagination had lost its popularity” and would push the false/ill conceived idea that it should be changed/rethemed. So what did they change it into along with making it cheap to lower projected maintenance costs? A ‘Honey I Shrunk tie in’ themed Imagination Institute ride called Journey Into Your Imagination. Another point I should add.. Eisner also apparently hated Figment & Dreamfinder for whatever nonsensical reason (despite a deal in talks going on around the same time where Disney was going to possibly buy out Lyric Studios from Richard Leach (the father of Sheryl Leach, who created Barney). According to VeggieTales creator, Phil Vischer, who was dealing with Lyric at the time via a video distribution deal at the time, Katzenberg,Eisner & Richard were trying to reach a deal in which Disney would buy them out & afterwards, “push ‘Barney’ to be “as big as Mickey Mouse” (you sick yet?? Knowing what you probably know about the longtime proven appeal & love for Dreamfinder & Figment at that point and the absolute opposite for Barney & Friends when it came to audiences above the age of 5.). Richard ultimately declined as he didn’t want to “sell out”. Yeeeah, imagine that. Ultimately, in the end though Lyric would sell out & be bought by HiT entertainment.. but anyway, the point I’m making is Disney wanted & saw potential in ‘Barney’ , a character almost universally divisive & panned for being pandering & strictly for the preschool crowd, to “be as big as Mickey”, but not ‘Dreamfinder & Figment’, which was beloved & appealing to all ages, how they didn’t see them as viable competition that went above & beyond is beyond me… but I digress)

Getting back to the ride specifically, what happened shortly after the ill-conceived retheme/rehab opened in 99? Millions of complaints that Dreamfinder & Figment/the original Imagination ride was gone. This version of the ride lasted only 2-3 years (til ‘01) the guest complaints were so immense, on top of it, merchandising hated the fact they’d since lost a ton since Figment was a huge merch seller at the time aswell, afterwards this led way to the lame band-aid fix of a ride we’ve had since 02, Journey Into Imagination : With Figment, still currently operating, with Figment shoehorned into the bad Honey I Shrunk IP themed ride/Journey Into Your Imagination rather than just restore it back to the original Journey Into Imagination ride it was with the tech & spfx enhancements it should’ve gotten all those years ago to possibly add the things it could’ve & should’ve had back in 83 but couldn’t due to tech & budget limitations. But yeah, it’s been in that horrible state for literally 21 years now… despite the still present outcry & nostalgia for the original.

Truly, if Disney ever needed any huge burst of goodwill in a time they need it though. Bringing back the original Journey Into Imagination ride would be just the thing to bring a lot of those hardcore fans back aswell as appeal to newbies and maybe give more faith in the future for WDI.
 
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FigmentFan82

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Here's a sad story about the original version vs what is there today.

My first visit to WDW (and I confirmed this with myself from photos that had dates stamped on the back) was when I was 4 years old. It was 1986. It was the 15 year anniversary and I won a light up visor when we exited Magic Kingdom (I loved that visor for many many years until it finally broke) I don't have detailed memories, but I remember loving Figment and his ride and had his plush growing up for many years as well. I can't remember the exact next year we visited, but we returned for sure sometime in the mid early 90s. There was of course no internet really to speak of or any instant way to know the goings on at WDW (I'm from the NE so not local) and would never have thought they would change things. Riding the changed version was like being gaslit before knowing what that term was. The original version felt like some fever dream at that point. Was my memory wrong? Was this what the ride was the whole time and I just imagined (haha) the original version. Obv years later and the advent of the internet and the way we share information nowadays it's all clear on what happened. But I remember being totally gutted and not knowing why one of my favorite rides was not what I thought it would always be. Much of Epcot (one of my favorite parks as a kid) was so foreign to me with all the changes they made. Again, I kept wondering if I had dreamed it all. When I see those retro photos of 1980s Epcot I feel better knowing that I hadn't made it all up. Thinking back I may have first seen the non Figment changed ride before they added him back, which was a real when he was just straight gone. As I've gotten older I am more open to the need and reason for changes to occur (RIP Maelstrom, at least I could be aware of that one in this modern internet age) and I do hope Tiana turns out ok, but the OG Journey will always have a place in my far off distant memory and always be bittersweet when I ride what is there. I hope if/when they do a proper revamp that they do it right!
 
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Gran Fiesta

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You deserve to know the truth. Ignore the “Kodak sponsorship/fork the money to be refreshed every so years” reasoning. It’s totally asinine & makes ‘zero’ sense from a thematic theming standpoint (not to mention a merch sales standpoint), considering they were able to follow the sponsorship agreement & thematic integrity with no issues for years. ImageWorks had been updated overtime with new activities that didn’t go against its core theming, Captain EO had gone in after Magic Journey’s run without changing the ride or guest flow. The true reasoning is inner corporate politics is to blame for changing it. Tony Baxter has said this himself. The culture within the company aswell as WDI had shifted for the worst once Frank Wells passed and folks within the company were ride or die in getting promoted and were in essence, willing to do anything they could to do so. What ultimately happened is in ‘94-98, Honey, I Shrunk the Audience opened in the Magic Eye Theatre space after Captain EO closed. Signage, queue ropes, and monorail spiels were changed to put the focus entirely on and to lead directly into Honey I Shrunk the Audience and that it was the must-see/main attraction as opposed to the Journey Into Imagination ride & ImageWorks as it’d been prior. The moment this change happened, attendance numbers to the Imagination ride & ImageWorks artificially dropped. This, along with projected maintenance costs as a whole, would give Disney’s upper management data that “Journey Into Imagination had lost its popularity” and would push the false/ill conceived idea that it should be changed/rethemed. So what did they change it into along with making it cheap to lower projected maintenance costs? A ‘Honey I Shrunk tie in’ themed Imagination Institute ride called Journey Into Your Imagination. Another point I should add.. Eisner also apparently hated Figment & Dreamfinder for whatever nonsensical reason (despite a deal in talks going on around the same time where Disney was going to possibly buy out Lyric Studios from Richard Leach (the father of Sheryl Leach, who created Barney). According to VeggieTales creator, Phil Vischer, who was dealing with Lyric at the time via a video distribution deal at the time, Katzenberg,Eisner & Richard were trying to reach a deal in which Disney would buy them out & afterwards, “push ‘Barney’ to be “as big as Mickey Mouse” (you sick yet?? Knowing what you probably know about the longtime proven appeal & love for Dreamfinder & Figment at that point and the absolute opposite for Barney & Friends when it came to audiences above the age of 5.). Richard ultimately declined as he didn’t want to “sell out”. Yeeeah, imagine that. Ultimately, in the end though Lyric would sell out & be bought by HiT entertainment.. but anyway, the point I’m making is Disney wanted & saw potential in ‘Barney’ , a character almost universally divisive & panned for being pandering & strictly for the preschool crowd, to “be as big as Mickey”, but not ‘Dreamfinder & Figment’, which was beloved & appealing to all ages. Your look of disgust & bewilderment is about the same as mine… heck, how they didn’t see them as viable competition that went above & beyond is beyond me… but I digress)

Getting back to the ride specifically, what happened shortly after the ill-conceived retheme/rehab opened in 99? Millions of complaints that Dreamfinder & Figment/the original Imagination ride was gone. This version of the ride lasted only 2-3 years (til ‘01) the guest complaints were so immense, on top of it, merchandising hated the fact they’d since lost a ton since Figment was a huge merch seller at the time aswell, afterwards this led way to the lame band-aid fix of a ride we’ve had since 02, Journey Into Imagination : With Figment, still currently operating, with Figment lazily shoehorned into the bad Honey I Shrunk IP themed ride/Journey Into Your Imagination rather than just restore it back to the original Journey Into Imagination ride it was with the tech & spfx enhancements it should’ve gotten all those years ago to possibly add the things it could’ve & should’ve had back in 83 but couldn’t due to tech & budget limitations. But yeah, it’s been in that horrible state for literally 21 years now… despite the still present outcry & nostalgia for the original. Only thing I have to say to that is “pathetic”.

Truly, if Disney ever needed any huge burst of goodwill in a time they need it though. Bringing back the original Journey Into Imagination ride would be just the thing to bring a lot of those hardcore fans back aswell as appeal to newbies and maybe give more faith in the future for WDI.
Wow, I wish I could have experienced the original ride. It is very sad that they changed it before a new generation of fans could enjoy it except through videos.

Yeah I haven't brought myself to watch a video of Journey Into Your Imagination. Is it worse than the ride that we currently have?
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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Wow, I wish I could have experienced the original ride. It is very sad that they changed it before a new generation of fans could enjoy it except through videos.

Yeah I haven't brought myself to watch a video of Journey Into Your Imagination. Is it worse than the ride that we currently have?
I myself have never experienced the OG ride in person (I’m 24). However, I’ve become a huge fan starting at the age of 13/14 through watching videos, seeing photos, learning it’s history, collecting memorabilia, etc.

And yeah.. Journey Into Your Imagination… absolutely worse. Imagine Journey Into Imagination With Figment but with only Dr. Channing and the tour through the institute, without Figment & the One Little Spark song “interfering” with it. Figment only has a couple cameos in the queue area overhead videos, a cameo in a star connections room, and at the very very end congratulating you for having such a great imagination after going through that ride. In essence, there ya have it and it’s ‘bad’. ‘Real’ bad.
 
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Disgruntled Walt

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
You deserve to know the truth. Ignore the “Kodak sponsorship/fork the money to be refreshed every so years” reasoning. It’s totally asinine & makes ‘zero’ sense from a thematic theming standpoint (not to mention a merch sales standpoint), considering they were able to follow the sponsorship agreement & thematic integrity with no issues for years. ImageWorks had been updated overtime with new activities that didn’t go against its core theming, Captain EO had gone in after Magic Journey’s run without changing the ride or guest flow. The true reasoning is inner corporate politics is to blame for changing it. Tony Baxter has said this himself. The culture within the company aswell as WDI had shifted for the worst once Frank Wells passed and folks within the company were ride or die in getting promoted and were in essence, willing to do anything they could to do so. What ultimately happened is in ‘94-98, Honey, I Shrunk the Audience opened in the Magic Eye Theatre space after Captain EO closed. Signage, queue ropes, and monorail spiels were changed to put the focus entirely on and to lead directly into Honey I Shrunk the Audience and that it was the must-see/main attraction as opposed to the Journey Into Imagination ride & ImageWorks as it’d been prior. The moment this change happened, attendance numbers to the Imagination ride & ImageWorks artificially dropped. This, along with projected maintenance costs as a whole, would give Disney’s upper management data that “Journey Into Imagination had lost its popularity” and would push the false/ill conceived idea that it should be changed/rethemed. So what did they change it into along with making it cheap to lower projected maintenance costs? A ‘Honey I Shrunk tie in’ themed Imagination Institute ride called Journey Into Your Imagination. Another point I should add.. Eisner also apparently hated Figment & Dreamfinder for whatever nonsensical reason (despite a deal in talks going on around the same time where Disney was going to possibly buy out Lyric Studios from Richard Leach (the father of Sheryl Leach, who created Barney). According to VeggieTales creator, Phil Vischer, who was dealing with Lyric at the time via a video distribution deal at the time, Katzenberg,Eisner & Richard were trying to reach a deal in which Disney would buy them out & afterwards, “push ‘Barney’ to be “as big as Mickey Mouse” (you sick yet?? Knowing what you probably know about the longtime proven appeal & love for Dreamfinder & Figment at that point and the absolute opposite for Barney & Friends when it came to audiences above the age of 5.). Richard ultimately declined as he didn’t want to “sell out”. Yeeeah, imagine that. Ultimately, in the end though Lyric would sell out & be bought by HiT entertainment.. but anyway, the point I’m making is Disney wanted & saw potential in ‘Barney’ , a character almost universally divisive & panned for being pandering & strictly for the preschool crowd, to “be as big as Mickey”, but not ‘Dreamfinder & Figment’, which was beloved & appealing to all ages. Your look of disgust & bewilderment is about the same as mine… heck, how they didn’t see them as viable competition that went above & beyond is beyond me… but I digress)

Getting back to the ride specifically, what happened shortly after the ill-conceived retheme/rehab opened in 99? Millions of complaints that Dreamfinder & Figment/the original Imagination ride was gone. This version of the ride lasted only 2-3 years (til ‘01) the guest complaints were so immense, on top of it, merchandising hated the fact they’d since lost a ton since Figment was a huge merch seller at the time aswell, afterwards this led way to the lame band-aid fix of a ride we’ve had since 02, Journey Into Imagination : With Figment, still currently operating, with Figment lazily shoehorned into the bad Honey I Shrunk IP themed ride/Journey Into Your Imagination rather than just restore it back to the original Journey Into Imagination ride it was with the tech & spfx enhancements it should’ve gotten all those years ago to possibly add the things it could’ve & should’ve had back in 83 but couldn’t due to tech & budget limitations. But yeah, it’s been in that horrible state for literally 21 years now… despite the still present outcry & nostalgia for the original. Only thing I have to say to that is “pathetic”.

Truly, if Disney ever needed any huge burst of goodwill in a time they need it though. Bringing back the original Journey Into Imagination ride would be just the thing to bring a lot of those hardcore fans back aswell as appeal to newbies and maybe give more faith in the future for WDI.
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