Expert's Planned Attraction Updates?

[Mr. Morrow]

*sigh*
WDI is ready and waiting. Only problem is TDO standing in their way.

Imagineering ain't the problem. Rarely is.

I will never understand why people always asume it is WDI who is the problem. It is always TDO if WDI had their way the parks would make Potterland look like a cheap carnival attraction.

 

[aladdin2007]

*sigh*
WDI is ready and waiting. Only problem is TDO standing in their way.

Imagineering ain't the problem. Rarely is.

I thought the big wigs in burbank or glendale were starting to have more control over TDO's awful ways. Was that just internet rumor? I wish it were true because TDO just doesnt get it. I realize they cant greenlight everything with the economy and such, but it seems like they say no to everything and wittle down projects that do come along. The fact alone that they are going to let managers now dress like farmers is a bad sign.
Anyway back to fantasyland expansion, It will be nice as is but its just feeling more underwhelming. While I like a Dumbo theme for one section, the whole circus retheming etc for the coaster just seems like a cheap and tacky retrofit (im sensing another dino-rama here), does that stem back to TDO or is that what Imagineering wants? Just seems like they could do so much better.

 

[DisneyExplorer]

About The Walt Disney Company not wanting to spend money and thus making Imagineering look like the bad guy, would somewhat of a modern coup d'etat work? As in Imagineering leaking some of its amazing plans and then the public pressuring the company to build it? In most cases, the public has no idea of the amazing things Imagineering has planed (heck, most of the fans never know either), so they don't know what's being missed out on. They're oblivious to the mis-management of the theme parks.

 

[wizards8507]

About The Walt Disney Company not wanting to spend money and thus making Imagineering look like the bad guy, would somewhat of a modern coup d'etat work? As in Imagineering leaking some of its amazing plans and then the public pressuring the company to build it? In most cases, the public has no idea of the amazing things Imagineering has planed (heck, most of the fans never know either), so they don't know what's being missed out on. They're oblivious to the mis-management of the theme parks.

Doesn't anyone realize how a business works? You can't just go blowing money on monster projects if those monster projects aren't going reap monster dividends.

 

[Mr. Morrow]

Doesn't anyone realize how a business works? You can't just go blowing money on monster projects if those monster projects aren't going reap monster dividends.

Yes that is why TDO is to blame not WDI. If WDI had there way like I said befor WDW would make Potterland look like a cheap carnival attraction.

 

[wizards8507]

Yes that is why TDO is to blame not WDI. If WDI had there way like I said befor WDW would make Potterland look like a cheap carnival attraction.

I'll accept your premise but proceed to the next logical step.

If WDI had their way WDW would be closed in 10 years because capital expenditures and maintenance costs would drive WDC's Parks and Resorts division into insolvency.

 

[Mr. Morrow]

I'll accept your premise but proceed to the next logical step.

If WDI had their way WDW would be closed in 10 years because capital expenditures and maintenance costs would drive WDC's Parks and Resorts division into insolvency.

Of coures just like if Walt didn't have Roy to rein him in.

 

[DisneyNut2007]

There was once this mustachioed man who said that, if you aim only for children, you're dead. Maybe you have heard of him? His name was Walt Disney.

Ah, Walt theoreticals. Always convenient, but rarely with merit.

 

[headhoncho34]

I thought the big wigs in burbank or glendale were starting to have more control over TDO's awful ways. Was that just internet rumor? I wish it were true because TDO just doesnt get it. I realize they cant greenlight everything with the economy and such, but it seems like they say no to everything and wittle down projects that do come along. The fact alone that they are going to let managers now dress like farmers is a bad sign.
Anyway back to fantasyland expansion, It will be nice as is but its just feeling more underwhelming. While I like a Dumbo theme for one section, the whole circus retheming etc for the coaster just seems like a cheap and tacky retrofit (im sensing another dino-rama here), does that stem back to TDO or is that what Imagineering wants? Just seems like they could do so much better.

Yes they do. How do you think we even go FLE or Star Tours 2.0? The higher ups in Burbank and Glendale forced those projects upon them.

 

[PirateFrank]

Dumbo is Americana.

As the traveling circus it will be themed as, which were gaining popularity early last century in the states. Yet not so much in Europe. At least ones utilizing Americana. There is a perfect area east of the town square. Or it could fit DHS also or CMM if they intend to keep that land.

FF needs a cohesive backstory. Dumboland will destroy that potential.:brick:

Wow, I never thought of Dumbo in those terms, and you are so right. Seriously. Dumbo isn't fantasy-europa....now that you mention it, it almost doesn't seem appropriate where it currently is either....

 

[Mstr Gra-c]

Um hello!!! It's geared towards kids did we forget that? What 4-5 year old is going to give a rats @%$ where dumbo is? I can just hear it now heh mom why is dumbo in fantasyland thats stupid he belongs near mainstreet because he's more Americana! I'm not going to ride an out of place spinner ride take me on a rollercoaster that will have a hieght requirment that I can't reach yet please please! Come on what kid knows the difference and the ones that do should be at a spelling bee or something. JMO! We should all be happy to get anything new in this economy know mater how princessified and fairified it might turn out to be! Heck I hope they put a bunch of pirate stuff also!!:sohappy::goodnevil:ROFLOL::hammer:

There was once this mustachioed man who said that, if you aim only for children, you're dead. Maybe you have heard of him? His name was Walt Disney.

Yeah DisneyDad, your point is very valid and understandable...but you may want to dig a little deeper and do some research about the purpose of the parks and then you may feel a little different.

 

[jt04]

Wow, I never thought of Dumbo in those terms, and you are so right. Seriously. Dumbo isn't fantasy-europa....now that you mention it, it almost doesn't seem appropriate where it currently is either....

Neither did 20K which is why I wasn't bothered when they removed it. I'm convinced putting Dumboland in the employee parking lot between MSUSA and the CoP would be amazing.

 

[Mr. Morrow]

Neither did 20K which is why I wasn't bothered when they removed it. I'm convinced putting Dumboland in the employee parking lot between MSUSA and the CoP would be amazing.

Where would the new parking lot be? You can't just replace something that serves a purpose and not give it a new home.

 

[tirian]

I'll accept your premise but proceed to the next logical step.

If WDI had their way WDW would be closed in 10 years because capital expenditures and maintenance costs would drive WDC's Parks and Resorts division into insolvency.

Yes, just like they bankrupted OLC with Tokyo Disney-Sea and TDL enhancements. Oh, and don't forget how EPCOT Center and Animal Kingdom almost shut down WDW when they opened.

There's a balance.

The entertainment business isn't like normal ones. You must be willing to take creative risks. The current plan seems to be shoving third-class merch at Guests and hoping they buy tacky shirts they'll never wear back home.

 

[djkidkaz]

Yes they do. How do you think we even go FLE or Star Tours 2.0? The higher ups in Burbank and Glendale forced those projects upon them.

I hate that people keep throwing this statement around as if its fact. It doesn't even make sense that TDO would fight any sort of expansion or upgrades. "NO, WE DONT WANT ANYTHING OVER HERE! WE JUST WANT OUR PARKS TO BE STAGNANT!!" Its such a ridiculous statement and you guys need to stop using it. If anything, the higher ups would be the ones halting projects, not TDO. And don't give me the excuse that they just want to look good for the higher ups by not spending cash, cause thats ridiculous as well. New attractions bring people back who will thus spend money, and the idea is to always make more than last year. If TDO was trying to impress their bosses, they would want new stuff in the parks to drive business to continually beat the previous years income.

Also, I dont know why people keep complaining that the FLE is too princess driven. Why does it matter? Those classic movies are unisex. I am a 31 yr old male, and I prefer Beauty & the Beast over say Monsters Inc or the Incredibles. I dont know why some keep thinking about the FLE expansion in terms of "its too girly". It just means that you don't like those franchises, but those movies that are being portrayed in this expansion are enjoyed by guys and girls alike.

 

[Mr. Morrow]

I hate that people keep throwing this statement around as if its fact. It doesn't even make sense that TDO would fight any sort of expansion or upgrades. "NO, WE DONT WANT ANYTHING OVER HERE! WE JUST WANT OUR PARKS TO BE STAGNANT!!" Its such a ridiculous statement and you guys need to stop using it. If anything, the higher ups would be the ones halting projects, not TDO. And don't give me the excuse that they just want to look good for the higher ups by not spending cash, cause thats ridiculous as well. New attractions bring people back who will thus spend money, and the idea is to always make more than last year. If TDO was trying to impress their bosses, they would want new stuff in the parks to drive business to continually beat the previous years income.

Also, I dont know why people keep complaining that the FLE is too princess driven. Why does it matter? Those classic movies are unisex. I am a 31 yr old male, and I prefer Beauty & the Beast over say Monsters Inc or the Incredibles. I dont know why some keep thinking about the FLE expansion in terms of "its too girly". It just means that you don't like those franchises, but those movies that are being portrayed in this expansion are enjoyed by guys and girls alike.

It is the truth this expansion was basically forced on TDO.

 

[djkidkaz]

It is the truth this expansion was basically forced on TDO.

Why? Because a couple people on here who are armchair imagineers said so? I don't believe that anyone on these message boards is deep enough within the company to get any sort of info like that.

And if it was forced, it wasn't because TDO doesn't want to do anything, it was because Universal was getting an expansion in Harry Potter and the execs at Disney wanted to also tout the fact that they are expanding as well. Im just sick of this whole "TDO was forced to do this expansion because they refuse to do anything and just dont care about the parks" attitude.

 

[Mr. Morrow]

Why? Because a couple people on here who are armchair imagineers said so? I don't believe that anyone on these message boards is deep enough within the company to get any sort of info like that.

And if it was forced, it wasn't because TDO doesn't want to do anything, it was because Universal was getting an expansion in Harry Potter and the execs at Disney wanted to also tout the fact that they are expanding as well. Im just sick of this whole "TDO was forced to do this expansion because they refuse to do anything and just dont care about the parks" attitude.

Sorry you are wrong.

 

[Lee]

I hate that people keep throwing this statement around as if its fact.

Sorry you hate it...but it is a fact.

"NO, WE DONT WANT ANYTHING OVER HERE! WE JUST WANT OUR PARKS TO BE STAGNANT!!"

That is not what they're thinking.
The way they see it is that they are continuing to be the most visited park in the world without any major capital spending.
It's more like, "HEY, LOOK AT US! OUR ATTENDANCE IS STEADY AND WE HAVEN'T SPENT ANY MONEY! Now...where's my bonus check."

Sadly, that's how they operate.:shrug:

And don't give me the excuse that they just want to look good for the higher ups by not spending cash, cause thats ridiculous as well. New attractions bring people back who will thus spend money, and the idea is to always make more than last year. If TDO was trying to impress their bosses, they would want new stuff in the parks to drive business to continually beat the previous years income..

The problem is, they ARE making more money each year. Or at least they're holding steady. Unfortunately, the way they have chosen to do it is by heavily discounting rooms and food, rather than spending money on new attractions.

Also, I dont know why people keep complaining that the FLE is too princess driven. Why does it matter?

'Cause it kinda sucks that the first major addition to MK in almost 20 years is aimed squarely at pre-teen girls.
Like it or not, that is the demographic they are targeting with the FLE in order to not only ease the capacity issues at MK, but also to sell a butt-load of merchandise.

Those classic movies are unisex. I am a 31 yr old male, and I prefer Beauty & the Beast over say Monsters Inc or the Incredibles.

Then you are quite in the minority among males of any age. Nothing wrong with that.

I dont know why some keep thinking about the FLE expansion in terms of "its too girly". It just means that you don't like those franchises, but those movies that are being portrayed in this expansion are enjoyed by guys and girls alike.

No.
Thinking the expansion is "too girly" has nothing to do with not liking the franchises. I like them all fine.
I just don't want to see hundreds of millions of dollars spent on over-glorified meet and greets pertaining to those franchises. Nor do I want to spend any time at all watching Cinderella magically change clothes, or helping Aurora color in her cottage. Simply put, and many (including some very highly placed Disney officials) agree, there is very little in FLE to attract adults without children or little boys.
To quote a Disney suit from Burbank: We're spending all this money on an expansion that will, at best, help MK's capacity, but do nothing for it's turnstile count."

I don't believe that anyone on these message boards is deep enough within the company to get any sort of info like that.

Oh...you'd be surprised.

And if it was forced, it wasn't because TDO doesn't want to do anything, it was because Universal was getting an expansion in Harry Potter and the execs at Disney wanted to also tout the fact that they are expanding as well. Im just sick of this whole "TDO was forced to do this expansion because they refuse to do anything and just dont care about the parks" attitude.

Again, no.
FLE has nothing to do with Potter. It is not, and was never meant to be, an "answer" for HP. The Potter countermeasures were all cancelled.

FLE was...ummm..."strongly reccomended" by Burbank to help with MK's capacity issues. Issues that TDO has been well aware of for years, but has only recently reached the point where Burbank has finally said "Fix it."
If the mandate had never come from Burbank...I can assure you FLE would not be happening.
Same for Star Tours. TDO had originally budgeted only enough money to do a "cliff notes" version of ST2. Once again, Burbank vetoed that, and instructed that all installations of ST2 be the same.

 

[SeaCastle]

FLE was...ummm..."strongly reccomended" by Burbank to help with MK's capacity issues. Issues that TDO has been well aware of for years, but has only recently reached the point where Burbank has finally said "Fix it."
If the mandate had never come from Burbank...I can assure you FLE would not be happening.
Same for Star Tours. TDO had originally budgeted only enough money to do a "cliff notes" version of ST2. Once again, Burbank vetoed that, and instructed that all installations of ST2 be the same.

Wasn't the Magic Kingdom beautification another project that was shoved through the pipeline by corporate?