EPCOT – the park that lost its optimism

One Lil Spark

EPCOT Center Defender
If you go by the plaque itself, very little (if any) currently feature in Epcot actually fits/makes sense based on what EPCOT Center set out to be. Please understand though, as attractions go, it's all still WDW and very well done, and there's no where else I'd rather spend a vacation.

For example, I love Soarin', but I've never been able to see how that really fits Epcot, much less the actual Land Pavillion. :wave:
 

EPCOT.nut

Well-Known Member
:p:lol::lol::lol:


I'll see you there only if I can bang a boat several times into a wall...?:lookaroun:ROFLOL:

Don't you mean several hundred times...? :lol:

If you go by the plaque itself, very little (if any) currently feature in Epcot actually fits/makes sense based on what EPCOT Center set out to be. Please understand though, as attractions go, it's all still WDW and very well done, and there's no where else I'd rather spend a vacation.

For example, I love Soarin', but I've never been able to see how that really fits Epcot, much less the actual Land Pavillion. :wave:

HAHA and I actually think Soarin' fits The Land Pavilion very well. :lol:
 

imagineer boy

Well-Known Member
Here's what I think should be done to Epcot to make it perfect with room for improvement:

SSE: Add new narration, bring back old score, get rid of screens, add stuff to finale similar to what used to be there. Add scenes that imphesise the use of the internet, cell phones, and other things that have advanced the future of communication.

Make innoventions interesting again. Bring in truly new technologies from different corporations for people to explore. Not just the newest Disney video games.:brick:

UOE: Completely refurb it with new films, and just a different experience over all.

WoL: Put it out of its misery and just tear it down.

Test Track: Update its technology so that it doesn't break down all the time. The JTTCOTE ride at TDS uses updated versions of Test Track's technology and doesn't break down nearly as often.

The Land: Give Soarin a new film so that you fly over the natural wonders of the world.

Imagination: I think you all know what needs to be done here.:lol:

World Showcase: Add a trolly and bring back the double decker busses so that transportation is much easier around the lake.

WS needs at least two new rides.

Bring in a new parade similar to ToN and a new fireworks show.
 

hpyhnt 1000

Well-Known Member
Yeah and in a few years we'll be discussing the same thing over drinks. :lol::lol:

I hate to be the one to knock the optimism down a little bit, but they're going to still be making these kinds of marketing decisions. I would love it if they flooded MK with the standard-fare child-friendly anthropomorphic attraction overlays, but not EPCOT.

(I will insert one of my famous flame-fodder statements....I would love nothing more than to see less strollers in EPCOT. It doesn't have to appeal to very small children. When they get old enough to appreciate EPCOT's attractions, then they can come to EPCOT.)

*ducks*

Hey, I agree! Another reason why I like Epcot more than the Magic Kingdom: fewer strollers! Nothing against families with young'uns, but hey, it takes a lot more effort to walk/dodge around a family of five with a double stroller and assorted backpacks. I love that when I'm at Epcot, I don't have to keep jumping in and around strollers!
 

Horizonstta

Active Member
Other than flying over 'Land' itself, I have never thought it fit the pavillion's message of conservation, food education, etc.

Care to sell me?

You fly over orange groves and can smell the nice orange fragrance. It's educational because it teaches you what an orange smells like. :rolleyes:
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
I love ya, bro...but I dunno. *thinks about it*

Meh. See you in the arcade. ;)

Don't you mean several hundred times...? :lol:



HAHA and I actually think Soarin' fits The Land Pavilion very well. :lol:
Yep...It's a celeration of The Land!:)

Here's what I think should be done to Epcot to make it perfect with room for improvement:

SSE: Add new narration, bring back old score, get rid of screens, add stuff to finale similar to what used to be there. Add scenes that imphesise the use of the internet, cell phones, and other things that have advanced the future of communication.

Make innoventions interesting again. Bring in truly new technologies from different corporations for people to explore. Not just the newest Disney video games.:brick:

UOE: Completely refurb it with new films, and just a different experience over all.

WoL: Put it out of its misery and just tear it down.

Test Track: Update its technology so that it doesn't break down all the time. The JTTCOTE ride at TDS uses updated versions of Test Track's technology and doesn't break down nearly as often.

The Land: Give Soarin a new film so that you fly over the natural wonders of the world.

Imagination: I think you all know what needs to be done here.:lol:

World Showcase: Add a trolly and bring back the double decker busses so that transportation is much easier around the lake.

WS needs at least two new rides.

Bring in a new parade similar to ToN and a new fireworks show.

I agree...for the most part...but I won't nitpick.:lol:
 

EPCOT.nut

Well-Known Member
Other than flying over 'Land' itself, I have never thought it fit the pavillion's message of conservation, food education, etc.

Care to sell me?

Sure. It shows people enjoying the great outdoors and what our land has to offer, especially regarding recreation and seeing its beauty. In this day and age of people spending so much time indoors, it is timely and inspiring.
 

VT GAL

Member
EPCOT.nut,

I would have to agree partially on the stroller thing. The rule that we go by is we try to do things that my DH will enjoy and not disrupt others (as much as we can on the second one). My DH loves going to aquariums so she loves 'going to visit Nemo', she loves Living with the Land, and (IMO unfortunately)) JII.

It drives me crazy watching kids (and some adults) being forced to do things, because they are at disneyworld and if they don't (insert attraction or show here) then money has been wasted. But that is another topic all together....

No charring, just a conditional agreement on this one :)

BTW, the prime directive reference was awesome!
 

EPCOT.nut

Well-Known Member
Hey Shelley (VT GAL) I am Shannon (EPCOT.nut) - nice to meetcha!

As far as the strollers, I don't care if they are in the park or not. :lol: I just would prefer that the park's thrust not be altered to appeal to the very young. When they are old enough to appreciate/understand/enjoy then by all means bring them to EPCOT.

And thanks about the Prime Directive. I am not just an EPCOT geek....:lol::lookaroun
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
EPCOT.nut,

I would have to agree partially on the stroller thing. The rule that we go by is we try to do things that my DH will enjoy and not disrupt others (as much as we can on the second one). My DH loves going to aquariums so she loves 'going to visit Nemo', she loves Living with the Land, and (IMO unfortunately)) JII.

It drives me crazy watching kids (and some adults) being forced to do things, because they are at disneyworld and if they don't (insert attraction or show here) then money has been wasted. But that is another topic all together....

No charring, just a conditional agreement on this one :)

BTW, the prime directive reference was awesome!

Ah, but you are raising your kids the right way...:D

Those other kids that are screaming for MK and a ballon...Notsomuch.:lookaroun:D
 

hpyhnt 1000

Well-Known Member
Here's what I think should be done to Epcot to make it perfect with room for improvement:

SSE: Add new narration, bring back old score, get rid of screens, add stuff to finale similar to what used to be there. Add scenes that imphesise the use of the internet, cell phones, and other things that have advanced the future of communication.

Make innoventions interesting again. Bring in truly new technologies from different corporations for people to explore. Not just the newest Disney video games.:brick:

UOE: Completely refurb it with new films, and just a different experience over all.

WoL: Put it out of its misery and just tear it down.

Test Track: Update its technology so that it doesn't break down all the time. The JTTCOTE ride at TDS uses updated versions of Test Track's technology and doesn't break down nearly as often.

The Land: Give Soarin a new film so that you fly over the natural wonders of the world.

Imagination: I think you all know what needs to be done here.:lol:

World Showcase: Add a trolly and bring back the double decker busses so that transportation is much easier around the lake.

WS needs at least two new rides.

Bring in a new parade similar to ToN and a new fireworks show.

Here's my take on your suggestions:

I agree with the ideas of adding cell phones, internet, etc. to SSE. However, keep the screens; they can be very useful, its just that right now, they aren't utilized as well as we'd like to see them. Also, don't bring back the old narration and musical score. Instead, use them to inspire a new narrration and score.

UoE - agreed. That thing needs to be completely refurbished. I'm almost tempted to say get rid of the dinos and moving theater idea. Lets face it: 45 mins is a LONG time to spend on a theme park attractions watching essentially a video. Also, the UoE pavilion has so much space in it, it could easily contain two or three different attractions and perhaps even a resturant instead of just one overly long ride. I've said it before, if there was ever a time for the UoE pavilion, this is it. Its time WDI lets it rise to the occasion.

TT - If they're going to refurb it with new technology, then gut it and put something new in. The purpose of this pavilion was to be about transportation; there's more to transportation than just cars - showcase them, and make sure they're futuristic.

Soarin', yes give us that wonders film. Innoventions, continuously update and TAKE THOSE WINDOW COVERINGS DOWN AND OPEN/BRIGHTEN THE AREA UP AGAIN!!!!

And finally, World Showcase. While some new countries would be nice, I'd be more than happy with a few new attractions/expansions. Top of the list? Italy, Morocco, and Germany. Also, don't bring the double-decker busses back. In all honesty, I think they would actually make transportation and guest flow more difficult than easier. And of course, a new fireworks show and parade would be welcomed.

That is all! (for now :lookaroun) :lol:
 

hpyhnt 1000

Well-Known Member
I agree...for the most part...but I won't nitpick.:lol:

Oops! I nit-picked. Hope you don't mind imagineer. :eek: :wave:

Sure. It shows people enjoying the great outdoors and what our land has to offer, especially regarding recreation and seeing its beauty. In this day and age of people spending so much time indoors, it is timely and inspiring.

You know, when I first read that, I was about to laugh at how stupid that whole reason was, until I realized...you're right... :lookaroun :eek:
 

VT GAL

Member
Pleased to meetcha Shannon!

Ahhhh I now totally agree with you. I am now picking up what you are putting down.

I enjoy being a well rounded geek :)!
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
Oops! I nit-picked. Hope you don't mind imagineer. :eek: :wave:



You know, when I first read that, I was about to laugh at how stupid that whole reason was, until I realized...you're right... :lookaroun :eek:
Nah, Imagineer is always good.:D
Pleased to meetcha Shannon!

Ahhhh I now totally agree with you. I am now picking up what you are putting down.

I enjoy being a well rounded geek :)!

Hi!

I'm Evan!:wave:
 

wvdisneyfamily

Well-Known Member
I don't think the OP was saying that he wanted Epcot to be a museum or anything. It's just the nostalgia is gone for him/her. That's understandable. One can be nostalgic while still embracing change. Making something better (or worse) doesn't have to destroy the sentimental feeling it inspires.
 

scpergj

Well-Known Member
:lookaroun

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OK...how old is this picture??? Please tell me it is recent and there is a chance it could reopen!!
 

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