Enchanted Tiki Room

Buried20KLeague

Well-Known Member
I have to admit that I like both versions. I wouldn't mind a return of the original or a new version combining both just so long as stitch is not included.

Actually... :lookaroun

This is what I see as likely to happen, as has been talked about on these boards.

I think they'll shut down SGE and use those animatronics in an English version of the Tokyo version of the Tiki Room... Which I think is very well done.

It's a cross between the original tiki room show, and toward the end Stitch plays his ukelele to a couple south pacific songs. It works well, is a cute show, and is very well recieved.

It's important to note... It's not the "rude, mean, chili dog burp" Stitch, but the "cute, loveable, Hawaii-loving" Stitch.

To me, that would kill two birds with one stone... Pardon the pun. :lookaroun:lol:
 

Scooter

Well-Known Member
I can't speak for Disneylands Tiki Room attraction because I've never seen it or how big the crowds are that go to see it, but I can tell you that when WDW had the original version, there were hardly any full shows. That's one of the reasons they changed it to it's current "Under New Management" version.
People scream that they want the show returned to the original version but then they don't go see it. Had the shows been full, they wouldn't have changed it in the first place.

I like the new version and I found the old one to be boring. Having said that, I agree with some that that the new version has run it's course and needs a change/update. I do NOT, however, think we should go back to the original version. Walt Disney himself believed in change and progress and in my opinion, I doubt he would want to go backwards to the old version but instead he would probably want to use new technology and make a newer, better version of the show.
Just my thoughts.
 

TubaGeek

God bless the "Ignore" button.
Sure, I prefer the old version of the attraction, but that's mostly because of nostalgia. I accept the fact that this generation probably likes the new version better and deal with it.
 

graphite1326

Well-Known Member
I know that I'm in the minority here, but I found The Enchanted Tiki Room as insufferable as a child. The WDW update wouldn't have been too bad if it had been a short run and a bridge to a new, modern Tiki Room. Unfortunately, it's been under new management for more than a decade. It reminds me of those rug stores that are perpetually going out of business, but stay in business for years.:p

LOL You hit the nail on the head with this.
 

JeffH

Active Member
People walked out of the old show...

I enjoyed the old show, but the fact is people walked out of old show ...in the middle of the show, almost every show I was at, ...embarrassed of how stupid they thought it was ...(I didn't agree.)
The new show, however, incorporates most of the original while adding the interaction of identifiable Disney characters with the original and the fabulous new tiki goddess with humor ...we love the new show and see it regularly...And I've never seen anyone walk out on THIS show
 

MKCP 1985

Well-Known Member
I enjoyed the old show, but the fact is people walked out of old show ...in the middle of the show, almost every show I was at, ...embarrassed of how stupid they thought it was ...(I didn't agree.)
The new show, however, incorporates most of the original while adding the interaction of identifiable Disney characters with the original and the fabulous new tiki goddess with humor ...we love the new show and see it regularly...And I've never seen anyone walk out on THIS show

I had never seen this happen at any Disney show until it happened at the Tiki Room. . . and as Jeff says, it happened a lot!

Admittedly, the Tiki Room lost its appeal to me when I grew older and I probably haven't been in there since my own children were very young, so I've never seen the new version. Maybe I will check it out the next time I have a full day in the Magic Kingdom.

"Under new management" does seem misleading for as long as the refurb has been completed. :lol:
 

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
I enjoyed the old show, but the fact is people walked out of old show ...in the middle of the show, almost every show I was at, ...embarrassed of how stupid they thought it was ...(I didn't agree.)
The new show, however, incorporates most of the original while adding the interaction of identifiable Disney characters with the original and the fabulous new tiki goddess with humor ...we love the new show and see it regularly...And I've never seen anyone walk out on THIS show

I've seen folks walking out of this version, nearly every time I'm in there. And I know I tend to only go during "off-peak" seasons, but really it's hard to worry about people not walking out when there are maybe 3 familys total in the theater at any given time. Maybe during other seasons the theater is full, but I sure have not seen it more than 40% full in years.

From what I can tell, it all kind of comes back to this. When Walt originally designed and built the original, no one had ever seen an AA character, so the idea of a bunch of talking and singing birds was pretty mind blowing to people. These days, it's not exactly ground breaking. You have to have a good show to get people to stay. IMO, this is far from that.

I'll admit, my love for the original is 100% nostalgia based. I loved everything WDW as a kid, but for me, what I remember best was walking past the Dole stand, getting a pineapple spear or whip, then going to the Tiki Room and enjoying the show. It spoke directly to Disney Magic for me as a child. I can't explain it any more than that.

Personally, the current show just does not work for me. In some respects, it mocks a beloved (by some / many?) classic attraction. It uses versions of songs that, again IMO, dated themselves much quicker than the originals. It's not funny, catchy, unique, or entertaining (again, opinion, and as they saying goes, everyone has one and is entitled to their own).

I'd much rather they just cleaned the slate and went in a totally different direction than to have Iago trample on a fantastic Sherman Brothers song and then treat me to renditions of songs I just dont like.

In that respect, I guess I'm glad they decided to competly remove Mr. Toad's Wild Ride and replace it with Pooh. If they would have just made Kuzco from Emperor's New Groove show up and make fun of Mr. Toad while telling unfunny jokes and ruining the ride experience, I think that would have been a worse choice.

Sorry to go off on a rant, the New Management is like my Dinorama, Electric Scooters / 10 year old kids in strollers, removal of Horizons and Dreamfinder, all wrapped into one.
 

aladdin2007

Well-Known Member
Actually... :lookaroun

This is what I see as likely to happen, as has been talked about on these boards.

I think they'll shut down SGE and use those animatronics in an English version of the Tokyo version of the Tiki Room... Which I think is very well done.

It's a cross between the original tiki room show, and toward the end Stitch plays his ukelele to a couple south pacific songs. It works well, is a cute show, and is very well recieved.

It's important to note... It's not the "rude, mean, chili dog burp" Stitch, but the "cute, loveable, Hawaii-loving" Stitch.

To me, that would kill two birds with one stone... Pardon the pun. :lookaroun:lol:

That was the plan. To bring the Tokyo version here, repurpose the stitch animatronic and close stitch. Sadly all of the above got axed and it doesnt appear they will revisit the idea. I wish they would though. Or at least redo it like Disneyland. Wake up TDO. Of all things for the 40th surely you can afford this. But no I expect they are going to wait till the 50th.

And to the previous posts about caring only about tourists and not locals, such as whats happened in future world, yep just look at SSE. Tourists wont care if its left unfinished and to crumble around them. Very smart thinking TDO/Siemens, you must be so proud. :brick:
 

fw1987

Member
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It's interesting to see the different opinions. The mockery of the old classic version and having to listen to Gilbert Godfrey is too much to handle. If I want to hear him, I'll tune in to a Comedy Central Roast, but please, not at WDW.

Going to the newer version with the cooler Stitch would be great. I haven't seen the Tokyo show, but I imagine you could even weave in a bit of the King (Elvis) into the show, which would be awesome.

While they are at it, they can rip out the Magic Carpets to give the whole plaza the sense of space it was originally intended to have. The way it is now, you have to know the Tiki Room is tucked in behind the carpet ride or you could walk right by it.

There has to be a way to weave the classic in with something newer without the fingernails on the chalkboard effect of the New Management. Totally un-Tiki, IMHO.
 

fractal

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"Under New Management" is really a lesson on how to manage change...

http://www.mouseplanet.com/8861/The_Enchanted_Tiki_Room_Under_New_Management
The Enchanted Tiki Room Under New Management




Thursday, June 11, 2009
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When Walt Disney's Enchanted Tiki Room opened at Disneyland, it represented an advancement unique to anything ever quite imagined. Kids were already familiar with the idea that their future would be filled with robots like on Lost in Space or The Jetsons. But no one probably thought that the first consistent application before a mass market would be a robot in the form of a bird, much less a flower or a tiki idol.
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But that's what occurred in 1963, and as we say, the rest is history. From that moment we would come to see a menagerie of Audio-Animatronic creatures in the form of singing bears, swashbuckling pirates, goulish ghosts, singing dolls, and monstrous dinosaurs. The effect was amazing. Audiences were completely amazed with a "how did they do it?" admiration.
Well, Walt Disney and his team did it with a lot of wire, hydraulic cylinders, and some analog systems. But he mostly did it with creativity, open-mindedness, and a determined sense not to repeat himself. He himself would acknowledge, "It's just another dimension in the animation we have been doing all our life."
That new dimension came from a life time of continually trying new projects and new approaches to the work he did.
Of Disneyland, he spoke of it never being completed. What he was really talking about was change. He believed that change was essential to staying successful and vibrant. On Disneyland's 10th anniversary he noted: "I just want to leave you with this thought, that it's just been sort of a dress rehearsal and we're just getting started. So if any of you start resting on your laurels, I mean just forget it, because...we are just getting started."
True to form, when Walt Disney World opened in 1971, things did change. Added were new shows and attractions like The Mickey Mouse Revue and The Country Bear Jamboree, a park of greater size and proportion and detail, and a resort community to compliment it. But aside from a name change and an altered preshow, The Tiki Room looked pretty much the same way when it arrived on the scene in Florida.
So imagineers were excited to try something different in 1997, while cherishing all that was good with the original. In came The Enchanted Tiki Room—Under New Management. And with that change in management has come years of controversy as to how successful that change has been. Now, this article is not a retread of those arguments. I personally find the new show to be awkward in its closing number. And I remember very well that people were walking out during the Baracolle number in the original show, which explains why that number is no longer in the Anaheim show. Both shows have their good points and bad points.
So rather than go down that route, I'm proposing that the next time you see this show, you see it in terms of managing change. For this show has some excellent points to make about how change occurs within organizations, how we deal with that change, as well as how we get through it. “Change” can be defined as a process of going from one form or situation to another. Those in organizations seeking to become more successful know that some change is inevitable if they are to keep up with the ongoing needs and demands of those they serve. As mentioned earlier, even Walt knew that.
At about the same time Walt was celebrating the 10th anniversary of Disneyland, a man named Bruce Tuckman developed a classic model of change management back in 1965 that helps people understand the cycle of undergoing change. His model suggests four different stages:
  • Forming: Learning about the changes, along with its opportunities and challenges.
  • Storming: Where conflict occurs as a result of the changes being imposed.
  • Norming: When teams find ways to adjust to the changes being made.
  • Performing: Where teams come together to achieve at a greater level.
So let's walk through The Enchanted Tiki Room—Under New Management, and see how those forms appear:
Forming. This begins even prior to the show, where William and Morris, Iago and Zazu's agents, give insight to the changes being made and to the politics of change. Inside, the birds and cast of the Tiki Room begin to go through their normal routine, when they are interrupted by the arrival of the new owners. This is the moment when they realize that change will occur. It’s here they learn of the new structure for how the team will move forward under the owners of Zazu and Iago. Bruceman notes that in this phase supervisors (like Iago) become very directive as they set down the change that’s occurring to how the work will proceed.
Storming. This is usually the more chaotic moment of change, when people are experiencing chaos and are trying to figure out how to get through the change. In the show, this is easy to identify, because a storm literally unfolds before us. The goddess Uh-Oa (perhaps the ultimate Union representative), arrives to remind management that the forces of nature cannot be fooled with. She strikes Iago as a reminder not to make trivial those things that are working well for the tiki room.
Norming. The team begins to adjust the show to make it work in a more natural fluid manner. In the Still of the Night suggests their efforts to heal and come together as a whole. They then move to a rap version of their original song to suggest the transition they are seeking to make to become more relevant. Iago recognizes this, and sees the advantages to building on the strengths they already bring as a cast to the show.
Performing. With the cast in sync for how they should move forward, they invite everyone to “Get on their Feet” and celebrate. Representing how the entire cast is in sync is the appearance of the Bird Mobile with the girls in unison. Everyone joins in on this high-end concluding number that celebrates all that is enchanted in the Tiki Room.
Note that Tuckman later added a fifth stage, called Adjournment. This, too, is seen as the guests are invited in a magical trick to face the door and “disappear” to the tune of Heigh Ho. Iago makes his adjournment, as well. If you haven't before, stay behind to hear his closing remarks, which center on heading over to The Hall of Presidents for a nap.
It’s helpful to understand the process people go through when they adjust from one form to another. While Iago wanted to manage change, Zazu seeks to work with others in leading for change. As leaders, we must understand the dynamics and phases of change, and support others in going through that process. Forcing change on others in directive, controlling, manipulative ways only puts egg on your own face. Embracing change but doing so in an environment of creativity and support only serves to create the magic
Ask Yourself:
  • Is change good to our organization? If so, why? If not, why not?
  • What changes do we need to make in order for us to become successful? What is the current form we're in and what is the form we are trying to become?
  • What does change look like when we undergo forming, storming, norming, & performing?
  • What chaos, however minimal, may we experience in getting to where we need to be organizationally?
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
That's a little over the top isn't it. :lol:

Now I will agree that the original version is better but even I will admit that I enjoyed the change when "Under New Managment" first came out. With all this said, I would enjoy seeing the orginal version brought back but more than anything else the Tiki Room is in need of a little TLC. If nothing else, shut it down and give it the necessary refurb and bring the sparle backs to Jose.
One of the main premises of the new show is Iago actively mocking the old show. It is basically a case of Disney insulting themselves and Walt's legacy.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
It's interesting to see the different opinions. The mockery of the old classic version and having to listen to Gilbert Godfrey is too much to handle. If I want to hear him, I'll tune in to a Comedy Central Roast, but please, not at WDW.
Seriously but at least they don't have Iago doing "The Aristocrats" joke.
 

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
Seriously but at least they don't have Iago doing "The Aristocrats" joke.

Can we have that version in come on during Extra Magic Hours? I'd leave my kid outside to go and watch an AA Gilbert perform his version of that!
 

Buried20KLeague

Well-Known Member
Here's Tokyo's version, with Stitch... Thought some of you might like to see it. I really think it fits.

Stitch comes in around 6:35 in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Fvz8cICfc

The only thing I'm not sure of is the stitch ears they put on the white birds that come down from the ceiling. But my guess is that it would make more sense if I could understand Japanese. :lol:

I could go for an English version where he comes out and does Hawaiian Roller Coaster and then one of Elvis's Hawaiian tunes. To me, that would be perfect.
 

KaliSplash

Well-Known Member
I understood the attempt to freshen the show. Not a big fan, but not terribly alarmed, either.

What I really hated was to lose the original pre-show. Where one of the birds was making unusual animal sounds, until the other said, and alligators were lurking, and the sound effects bird says "lurk, "lurk!" This is a running joke in my family to this day.
 

SeaCastle

Well-Known Member
But TDO could care less about the Florida crowd. They want to appease the tourists - not the locals.

That's what I meant by "Florida crowd"...tourists. Inappropriate wording on my part, but I use "Disneyland crowd" referring to their main source of income...locals and AP'ers, and "Florida crowd" for their main source of business...tourists.
 

Epcotian

Member
I enjoyed the old show, but the fact is people walked out of old show ...in the middle of the show, almost every show I was at, ...embarrassed of how stupid they thought it was ...(I didn't agree.)
The new show, however, incorporates most of the original while adding the interaction of identifiable Disney characters with the original and the fabulous new tiki goddess with humor ...we love the new show and see it regularly...And I've never seen anyone walk out on THIS show

I've seen people walk out of the current version.
 
I know that I'm in the minority here, but I found The Enchanted Tiki Room as insufferable as a child. The WDW update wouldn't have been too bad if it had been a short run and a bridge to a new, modern Tiki Room. Unfortunately, it's been under new management for more than a decade. It reminds me of those rug stores that are perpetually going out of business, but stay in business for years.:p

That's hilarious! :ROFLOL:
 

puntagordabob

Well-Known Member
Ive read the script of the new Stitch Tokyo show...trust me it isnt very good lol...it is a good fit for Japan as they are really in love with Stitch...they have a lot fo Stitch movies, tv shows etc....that we never will see here. Why? Because over there Stitch supposedly RIVALS Mickey Mouse in popularity.....or so I have read repeatedly since that came as such a shock to me lol. Moving Stitch to the Tiki Room would (Id bet real money on this too!) be as successful as adding Stitch to Alien Encounter... Waste of money and I think the Imagineers may have come to the same conclusion over time which is why Tokyo's Stitch has not come over here.

The Disneyland show is a shortened version of the original... some dialogue has been trimmed and the big cut was that of the Offenbach song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOx5V8cMfpw ....this song always put people to sleep....and listening to it today it still has that power over me... the Imagineers out at Disneyland were really on target with this....

As for the people walking out of WDW's show...along with the Offenbach number making the show too long, another detractor throughout the late 80s and 90s was the fact that the Tiki Room (Tropical Serenade) had lost its sponsorship with the Florida Orange Growers Association and the place went into serious disrepair....bird feathers falling off, mouths of the flowers broken for seemingly forever, even the roof was leaking at some point... It was sad and as a result most people didnt want to spend time there..... the WDW Guest numbers plummeted and with the Under New Management show it was expected all would be awesome again, well the Guest numbers are still Crap-Tac-U-Lar. UNM is probably the most reviled attraction at WDW with SGE coming in just behind it.
Disneyland was at a similar spot, but when Dole (the sponsor of the Tiki Room) happened to get enough complaints and checked into it directly things "really changed" over there.... their Guest entry numbers went back to normal and has held steady.

I can tell you after seeing Walt Disney's Enchanted Tiki Room at DL a few weeks ago, the show is still as entertaining and timeless as it ever was...and when everything is running and properly maintained this show is still Awesome.... IMHO its a NO BRAINER: PLEASE Put the darn Disneyland version at WDW....

In the long run I believe the BEST way for Disney to proceed is to create new tech to allow these animatronic shows (Tiki Room and CBJ are the two at the top of my mind at the moment) to run multiple versions ALL on the same day.... if they want to hide some alternate animatronic characters to pop out for some or one of the versions then they can do that... this is Disney they can do this, it might be expensive BUT lets be honest seeing a character move, sing, and dance like that is really neat. ALSO this tech would allow new generations of shows to be designed for new locations in the parks...Imagine the possibilities....exciting stuff and THATS what Disney is capable of.

ALSO consider one last thing...this would allow Disney to update or plus these places while still allowing the "classic" shows to coexist with the newer shows... almost every Guest is kept happy...and if your party likes different versions of the show (hey! 11am is the Tropical Serenade! 12pm is the UNM show! 1pm is some other version and so on and then it repeats) then guess what: you are going to be going BACK to watch each version members of your party wants to watch... talk about People Eater attractions lol.....

At CBJ it could be also an open season on show versions...imagine a show where they play newer styles of country music, and yet the original show is still played on a daily basis.

And as for space constraints, the Utilidors are below right? I am sure they could work some magic to make this work...

...Lastly though Give Jose back his show! :) lol
 

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