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Enchanted Tiki Room
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JimboJones123
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Was it ever outside Canada, Michigan, or Minnesota?
Enchantâmes
Active Member
I think they should bring the now extinct Get the Fever show to WDW from TDL. I got to see it in person and it was wonderful!
flavious27
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This attraction has been using the under new management theme for the last 12 years. If WDI was going to change the theme, they would have sometime after they rethemed the Tokyo one with stitch or after the original got rehabbed also in 2005.
MysticOrient
Member
I agree with other posters... I hate the "New Management" Tiki Room, but was not a big fan of the original. Now, back in the day, when I was a kid and Disney's animatronics were one-of-a-kind, I enjoyed it. However, technology has come a long, long way since the Tiki Room first opened and I do feel that this attraction -- in either entity -- is outdated. I like the idea; but they do need to revamp the WHOLE thing. IMO.
disnyfan89
Well-Known Member
Having recently spent a lot of time at the Tiki Room on both coasts here is my thoughts on the matter.
The Enchanted Tiki Room UNM represents everything that is wrong with current Disney management. Right off the bat you meet William and Morris who are two crude agent types. One of the selling points being stated is why argue over something when look at your audience and what do you see: $MONEY$. That's right, all those people standing in line to see the show are simply stated as being $MONEY$. Is this really the message Disney wants to send to their guest? That they are only viewed as being a source of income and a paycheck for the company?
The preshow at least gives you a proper feel for what the show you are about to watch is going to be: rude, crude, in your face, with bad puns, jokes, and outdated pop-culture references.
Then comes the main show which is a mess and a half. As stated by the Cast Member in the pre-show you are suppose to be entering a world of JOYUS SONG and ISLAND SPLENDOR. Which you do for maybe all of a minute until Iago interrupts the show. (Which leads to a huge irony stated by Iago when he says "You all will have me to thank when they are lining up at the Door." When in-fact Iago is the number one offender as to why guest and Disney Fans hate the show)
Let's analyze the story of Enchanted Tiki Room UNM for a second. It all plays off the idea that this Disney Classic has become old and outdated and its time to change the show and update it. Well Disney continually uses the excuse in Florida for the reason we can't close attractions for refurbishments or Holiday Overlays is because their main guests are all from out of state or overseas on a once in a life time trip so they come to Disney to see the shows and attractions that they come to expect from Disney and will be Hugely upset if any attraction is closed or altered from the regular show because they will never have another chance to see it.
Yet here we are at the Tiki room with a show who's story line is THE OLD SHOW IS OUTDATED TIME TO CHANGE IT being played to an audience of guest WHO HAVE NEVER EVEN SEEN OR KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL SHOW WAS!!!!! How does that makes sense?
Now looking further into the story of the show we have Iago come in and tell the Tiki birds they have to change the show but he is cautioned by Zazu that he can't toy with the Tiki room or he will upset the tiki gods. After not taking the warning Iago pushes his luck and is punished by UA OA the Tiki goddess of Disaster and sent packing. In order to appease the Tiki Gods Zazu turns the show over to them and then the Tiki Gods proceed to perform NEW pop music and a RAP version of the orginal Tiki Room song after just punishing Iago FROM WANTING TO CHANGE THE SHOW!
Iago reappears stating that the the Tiki Gods are the "Greatest act [He] has ever heard and that [the Tiki Room] is going to be a gold mine" further emphasizing the fact that all Disney cares about is $MONEY$. He then encourages the Tiki birds to Party and we begin the finale number steeped in pop music and rap that all brings out a vibe from the mid 90's further changing the show AFTER BEING PUNISHED FOR CHANGING THE SHOW only this time everyone from the tiki birds and gods to the flowers are joining in. Further more, when Zazu states that Iago has learned his lesson he responds by saying "That's what you think. Time is $MONEY$." The Tiki birds agree with Iago and to show they know whats hip they get everyone to leave.
So in the end Iago has single handedly corrupted everyone and everything in the Enchanted Tiki Room because all he cares about is $MONEY$!!!!
The only improvement over the show at Disneyland is the lighting.
It's sad what the current state of the show is but what the Enchanted Tiki room needs is not a return to the Original 1963 show but a new classic updated version of the show. If Disney was smart they would go through and update the music and references in the original show to have a more modern classic feel. Something similar to the way they updated the O Canada song to feel new and fresh while still be the same classic timeless song that it is.
However, the only way Disney will ever know that the current show needs to be done away with is if you tell them by stopping by Guest Relations to leave a comment or writing the company by email or snail mail.
The Enchanted Tiki Room UNM represents everything that is wrong with current Disney management. Right off the bat you meet William and Morris who are two crude agent types. One of the selling points being stated is why argue over something when look at your audience and what do you see: $MONEY$. That's right, all those people standing in line to see the show are simply stated as being $MONEY$. Is this really the message Disney wants to send to their guest? That they are only viewed as being a source of income and a paycheck for the company?
The preshow at least gives you a proper feel for what the show you are about to watch is going to be: rude, crude, in your face, with bad puns, jokes, and outdated pop-culture references.
Then comes the main show which is a mess and a half. As stated by the Cast Member in the pre-show you are suppose to be entering a world of JOYUS SONG and ISLAND SPLENDOR. Which you do for maybe all of a minute until Iago interrupts the show. (Which leads to a huge irony stated by Iago when he says "You all will have me to thank when they are lining up at the Door." When in-fact Iago is the number one offender as to why guest and Disney Fans hate the show)
Let's analyze the story of Enchanted Tiki Room UNM for a second. It all plays off the idea that this Disney Classic has become old and outdated and its time to change the show and update it. Well Disney continually uses the excuse in Florida for the reason we can't close attractions for refurbishments or Holiday Overlays is because their main guests are all from out of state or overseas on a once in a life time trip so they come to Disney to see the shows and attractions that they come to expect from Disney and will be Hugely upset if any attraction is closed or altered from the regular show because they will never have another chance to see it.
Yet here we are at the Tiki room with a show who's story line is THE OLD SHOW IS OUTDATED TIME TO CHANGE IT being played to an audience of guest WHO HAVE NEVER EVEN SEEN OR KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL SHOW WAS!!!!! How does that makes sense?
Now looking further into the story of the show we have Iago come in and tell the Tiki birds they have to change the show but he is cautioned by Zazu that he can't toy with the Tiki room or he will upset the tiki gods. After not taking the warning Iago pushes his luck and is punished by UA OA the Tiki goddess of Disaster and sent packing. In order to appease the Tiki Gods Zazu turns the show over to them and then the Tiki Gods proceed to perform NEW pop music and a RAP version of the orginal Tiki Room song after just punishing Iago FROM WANTING TO CHANGE THE SHOW!
Iago reappears stating that the the Tiki Gods are the "Greatest act [He] has ever heard and that [the Tiki Room] is going to be a gold mine" further emphasizing the fact that all Disney cares about is $MONEY$. He then encourages the Tiki birds to Party and we begin the finale number steeped in pop music and rap that all brings out a vibe from the mid 90's further changing the show AFTER BEING PUNISHED FOR CHANGING THE SHOW only this time everyone from the tiki birds and gods to the flowers are joining in. Further more, when Zazu states that Iago has learned his lesson he responds by saying "That's what you think. Time is $MONEY$." The Tiki birds agree with Iago and to show they know whats hip they get everyone to leave.
So in the end Iago has single handedly corrupted everyone and everything in the Enchanted Tiki Room because all he cares about is $MONEY$!!!!
The only improvement over the show at Disneyland is the lighting.
It's sad what the current state of the show is but what the Enchanted Tiki room needs is not a return to the Original 1963 show but a new classic updated version of the show. If Disney was smart they would go through and update the music and references in the original show to have a more modern classic feel. Something similar to the way they updated the O Canada song to feel new and fresh while still be the same classic timeless song that it is.
However, the only way Disney will ever know that the current show needs to be done away with is if you tell them by stopping by Guest Relations to leave a comment or writing the company by email or snail mail.
JimboJones123
Well-Known Member
This may be one of the 10 best posts I have ever seen on this site.
Organized
Non-offensive
Logical
Plan of action moving forward
This is the kind of letter that Disney should be proud to receive from their guests. They hold a product that customers are passionate about HELPING, not abandoning. GO WITH IT DISNEY!
I hate to bring it up again, but DCA is doing EVERYTHING right. WDW is turned into standing water. Nothing is flowing. Nothing new.
We are planning to take 2011 off because there have been NO new additions since Toy Story Mania.
Again, great post. Easy to read. To the point.
TRIFORCE89
Member
I never understood the concept of New Management.
Walt Disney World is supposedly a once-in-a-lifetime trip (but not really, so that's kinda mute). I don't think new guests, first timers, people who haven't been on the West coast, people not familiar with the old show, children (although I guess they like seeing Iago and Zazu), etc. aren't going to understand the plot.
They aren't really going to know about the attraction. In referencing the history of an attraction as its own self-referential backstory, really it seems like something that only the fans would be able to fully comprehend (and probably, they hoped, appreciate). And yet, its that crowd who finds it offensive (and rightfully so)
In the end we get an attraction that appeals to nobody at all.
...I also enjoy the pre-show with William and Morris a million times more than the Iago and Zazu infested show. Would it be better if Tropical Serenade was brought back? I don't know. I think it works at Disneyland because it was always there. To bring something in something that's so dated, just seems strange. I like the concept, of course. If they could take it, run with it, and modernize it while embracing it that'd great.
Also, Iago talking about taking a nap in the Hall of Presidents is just odd (I don't referencing another attraction. But it puts a down an attraction, rather than advertise it in a humorous manner - like say French narrator reference in the new O Canada film). The whole "New Management" attraction is like stab at the Parks. Someone was in a bad mood when they came up with this idea.
Walt Disney World is supposedly a once-in-a-lifetime trip (but not really, so that's kinda mute). I don't think new guests, first timers, people who haven't been on the West coast, people not familiar with the old show, children (although I guess they like seeing Iago and Zazu), etc. aren't going to understand the plot.
They aren't really going to know about the attraction. In referencing the history of an attraction as its own self-referential backstory, really it seems like something that only the fans would be able to fully comprehend (and probably, they hoped, appreciate). And yet, its that crowd who finds it offensive (and rightfully so)
In the end we get an attraction that appeals to nobody at all.
...I also enjoy the pre-show with William and Morris a million times more than the Iago and Zazu infested show. Would it be better if Tropical Serenade was brought back? I don't know. I think it works at Disneyland because it was always there. To bring something in something that's so dated, just seems strange. I like the concept, of course. If they could take it, run with it, and modernize it while embracing it that'd great.
Also, Iago talking about taking a nap in the Hall of Presidents is just odd (I don't referencing another attraction. But it puts a down an attraction, rather than advertise it in a humorous manner - like say French narrator reference in the new O Canada film). The whole "New Management" attraction is like stab at the Parks. Someone was in a bad mood when they came up with this idea.
Fable McCloud
Well-Known Member
That's what I did when I went with my parents in '08. We saw the Tiki Room, expecting what used to exist on my sing-a-long tapes from the early 90's, and instead were faced with New Management, and an awful show.
When we walked out, I turned to my parents and said "that was awful...I'm sorry"
My mom was equally upset because she likes the Tiki Room song as much as I do.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
To me, Under New Management was a weak attempt at revitalizing a dying attraction. Some have mentioned putting Stitch in there, but I think us fanboys are so turned off by Stitch after Stitch's Great Escape and Stitch's Supersonic Celebration that anything short of a ridiculously impressive show (D/E-Ticket level) is going to be looked at with scrutiny as long as Stitch is involved.
What's been suggested is turning this into a dinner show. I'd rather see that then another change to the existing show.
What's been suggested is turning this into a dinner show. I'd rather see that then another change to the existing show.
puntagordabob
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sshindel
The Epcot Manifesto
I'm in. If someone has any ideas on how to get this moving, I'd be all over some sort of organized effort to Fire the New Management. Anyone with experience on some of the offshoot sites, like Save the Adventurers Club, etc have good ideas?
Yes, I realize that even a well coordinated effort will likely not result in change, but I guess like most people united behind a cause, at least there is a very minor shot that our voices would be heard.
disnyfan89
Well-Known Member
Well the simple and easy things to do would be to create a facebook page with information about the current state of the Tiki room and what you hope to achieve or a plan of action. Then you would want to encourage others to write the company probably targeting Tom Staggs, Phil Homes, as well as other higher ups who run the Magic Kingdom and the theme parks as a whole. And to help spread your message reach out to other fan sites who share similar view points and ideals such as MiceAge and Disboards plus any other heavily involved Disney fan sites, podcasts, etc etc. A terrific boost would also be to write the creative minds who helped bring the Tiki Room to life such as The Sherman Brothers and hope that they in turn will support the cause and will publicly state their feelings on the matter to the community and Disney. Maybe write Dole and encourage them to sponsor the Tiki room in Florida?
I will say this, I really feel the proper way forward with the Tiki room is not bringing the original show back to Adventureland in Florida but instead revitalize the show by making it more of a modern classic in the style of the original attraction. While the current show is crap there are a few things that where done right such as the inclusion of original lines reworked into the show and a significant upgrade and improvement to lighting and effects (the best of which is probably the blacklight work on the tiki gods).
The Duck
Well-Known Member
I was a fan of the original show since my first visit in 1975. Sadly, I noticed that by the early-mid 80's, attendance had dropped off considerably and almost everytime that I saw the show, people were getting up and walking out after about 3 minutes. While I miss the original show and still hope for it's return, I understand why they made the decision to change it. Hopefully one day, a happy medium will be met.
Food for thought...
Newswire Disney developing film based on Enchanted Tiki Room, hubris
by Sean O'Neal November 9, 2010
As the recent movie deals for Haunted Mansion and “just pretty much everything in the park” suggest, Disney is boldly overturning every cushion in its Disney World and Disneyland attractions looking for more of that loose Pirates Of The Caribbean change. Now the L.A. Times reports that Ahmet Zappa (son of Frank) has written a script based on its long-running Enchanted Tiki Room attraction—one of the first animatronic attractions in the park, and one of the last to not be replaced by a 3D movie. As the LAT acknowledges, “there’s not much known mythology behind the Tiki Room,” but such things don't matter when it comes to corporate synergy, as Zappa’s script isn’t so much a straight adaptation of the attraction, but rather “an action-adventure that mixes in Polynesian mythology.” You know, such as the legend of the great trickster Maui-tikitiki-a-Taranga, who used the jawbone of his ancestor to build an air-conditioned room where his people and their offspring could be mildly amused for 20 minutes.
... Nothing in stone, but there is a good chance that the Tiki room will be changing again...
Newswire Disney developing film based on Enchanted Tiki Room, hubris
by Sean O'Neal November 9, 2010
As the recent movie deals for Haunted Mansion and “just pretty much everything in the park” suggest, Disney is boldly overturning every cushion in its Disney World and Disneyland attractions looking for more of that loose Pirates Of The Caribbean change. Now the L.A. Times reports that Ahmet Zappa (son of Frank) has written a script based on its long-running Enchanted Tiki Room attraction—one of the first animatronic attractions in the park, and one of the last to not be replaced by a 3D movie. As the LAT acknowledges, “there’s not much known mythology behind the Tiki Room,” but such things don't matter when it comes to corporate synergy, as Zappa’s script isn’t so much a straight adaptation of the attraction, but rather “an action-adventure that mixes in Polynesian mythology.” You know, such as the legend of the great trickster Maui-tikitiki-a-Taranga, who used the jawbone of his ancestor to build an air-conditioned room where his people and their offspring could be mildly amused for 20 minutes.
... Nothing in stone, but there is a good chance that the Tiki room will be changing again...
