Downtown Disney District Extends to Buena Vista Street

[el_super]

So, this is the dark side of these smaller parks investing in these food festival events, like Knott's Merry Farm and Legoland Holidays thing. After they spent a bunch of money and capital investment to create these things and get them off the ground, they get shut down for the entire month of December almost without warning. Oops!

There were always a risk that these would be shut down. That's what happens when there is a danger to public health.

There's a vendetta out there for theme parks, and I think it's pretty clear now it's tied to Global Warming strategies.

Crazy conspiracy theory.

It has more to do with hospital capacity. The ICU capacity in Orange County is down to 17%.

 

[mharrington]

But even when we do get the vaccine, it will still not change things too much for awhile. We probably still have to wear mask and social distance but you will be able to open things up much more and faster. I'm convinced Disneyland won't open until after the vaccine hits the masses.

But it's put in some social distancing measures. If they reopen only after the vaccine hits (I'm guessing September, as at least one person speculated), wouldn't such measures have been a waste of time?

 

[fctiger]

So you're saying that the pandemic is never going to end? I realize that the virus will probably be here with us for all time, like the flu, but are you saying that the pandemic will never go away either? That it only would have been eradicated with a single federal leadership and maybe literal border walls? And that since we have nothing of the sort, California will never, ever fully reopen again?



But by your logic, it sounds things must work well, or they won't work at all. As for England, they did tests in England, and they were 95% successful.

LOL no I'm not saying that. We have vaccines coming now, so clearly it's going to end. It just depends on A. how fast the vaccination starts and B. how many actually take it. I saw one report that says every American can be vaccinated by May. If so. that would be amazing. But yeah, saying that will have enough for everyone and for it to logistically happen are two different things. It tooks MONTHS before there were enough testing centers where anyone can at least get a test, so I'm not super confident a vaccine roll out will be any better. That said I think they will move heaven and earth to get as many vaccinated as possible.

And dude, you're putting words into my mouth. All I said was it's never going to be 100% normal for awhile. I didn't say because its not then we should give up. No, just the opposite, we should TRY HARDER. That's my point. But that's hard to do when not everyone is on the same page, right?

But as someone said, it is what it is. At this point all we can do is do enough to keep some resemblance of normalcy. We're clearly not going to shut everything down again, nor is it even necessary IMO.

And England hasn't vaccinated anyone. Where are you getting this? They HAVE a vaccine which was successful with test subjects, but no one has been vaccinated from the public yet just like in America. They will get it a bit sooner, starting next week IIRC. But even then, that's going to take months just like here for that to cover a big enough swath of the country.

 

[TP2000]

Crazy conspiracy theory.

It's a theory, but I don't think it's a conspiracy. Governor Newsom already has decreed that no more gasoline powered cars can be sold in California by the 2030's. The peasants in Fresno can't afford a used Civic? Let them drive Teslas!

There is clearly a desire to not have theme parks in operation in this state. They have been singled out, even worse than barbers and nail salons. I can still get a haircut next week by texting my barber and going in through the back door of his speakeasy barbershop, and I can still get a manicure the same way.

But I can not get into Disneyland via the Ball Road entrance.

Governor Newsom has no love for theme parks. He doesn't get them, he and First Partner have never taken their four children to one, and he thinks they are trashy and wasteful and relics of the 20th century. Prove me wrong.

It has more to do with hospital capacity. The ICU capacity in Orange County is down to 17%.

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It was less than 15% back in July, don't forget. OC is currently at 179 people in an ICU. On July 15th there were 245 people in an ICU in OC.

I haven't seen Governor Newsom ask for the USNS Mercy to leave San Diego and sail up to LA like it did in April, when it sat there for a month unused. Nor have I seen any request made of the US Army to install 1,000 bed field hospitals in the Staples Center, LA Convention Center, Anaheim Convention Center, San Diego Convention Center, the Cow Palace, etc., etc.

There are options for hospital capacity, should we need them. We don't spend Trillions of dollars per year on the Department of Defense just to keep Germany safe from the Russians, after all. Those men and women are here to serve us first and foremost. If there is a need to bolster hospital capacity, use the Department of Defense.

President Trump already proved back in March that all it takes is a call from a Governor to the White House, and within hours help is on the way, and installed 3 days later. Need help? Reach out and touch someone, Gavin.

Seriously, I've got a 7pm reservation at Cattlemen's Steakhouse! I'm going to eat a pound of red meat just to upset Kamala Harris! I've got to go!

 

[fctiger]

But it's put in some social distancing measures. If they reopen only after the vaccine hits (I'm guessing September, as at least one person speculated), wouldn't such measures have been a waste of time?

I'm not following? What would be a waste of time? The measures would have to still stay because unless you have a big stamp on your forehead you been vaccinated, it's still kind of a big risk to just assume everyone is now safe. And we still don't even know how long the vaccinations lasts although I think one of them said should be at least a year. But there are still questions obviously.

Of course you can just allow the people who has actually been vaccinated to come but that would be a HUGE mess lol. So that's probably why the measures will have to stay in place until we know a good solid portion of the population is vaccinated and of course just less hospitalizations. End of the day, that's going to tell us if things are really improving or not.

 

[Darkbeer1]

It's a theory, but I don't think it's a conspiracy. Governor Newsom already has decreed that no more gasoline powered cars can be sold in California by the 2030's. The peasants in Fresno can't afford a used Civic? Let them drive Teslas!

There is clearly a desire to not have theme parks in operation in this state. They have been singled out, even worse than barbers and nail salons. I can still get a haircut next week by texting my barber and going in through the back door of his speakeasy barbershop, and I can still get a manicure the same way. But I can not get into Disneyland via the Ball Road entrance.

Governor Newsom has no love for theme parks. He doesn't get them, he and First Partner have never taken their four children to one, and he thinks they are trashy and wasteful and relics of the 20th century. Prove me wrong.


It was less than 15% back in July, don't forget. OC is currently at 179 people in an ICU. On July 15th there were 245 people in an ICU in OC.

I haven't seen Governor Newsom ask for the USNS Mercy to leave San Diego and sail up to LA like it did in April, when it sat there for a month unused. Nor have I seen any request made of the US Army to install 1,000 bed field hospitals in the Staples Center, LA Convention Center, Anaheim Convention Center, San Diego Convention Center, the Cow Palace, etc., etc.

There are options for hospital capacity, should we need them. We don't spend Trillions of dollars per year on the Department of Defense just to keep Germany safe from the Russians, after all. Those men and women are here to serve us first and foremost. If there is a need to bolster hospital capacity, use the Department of Defense.

President Trump already proved back in March that all it takes is a call from a Governor to the White House, and within hours help is on the way and installed 3 days later. Need help? Reach out and touch someone, Gavin.

Here in Orange County, the Fairview Development Center has been ordered to go to Warm Status with over 100 beds.

Riverside County Fairgrounds

A hospital in San Diego

But in Los Angeles, no "warming up" the St. Vincent Hospital... Why???

L.A. Surge Hospital for coronavirus patients to close in June - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

Fairview Developmental Center, housing COVID-19 patients, was set to close but will stay open - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

 

[mharrington]

But as someone said, it is what it is. At this point all we can do is do enough to keep some resemblance of normalcy. We're clearly not going to shut everything down again, nor is it even necessary IMO.

But we ARE going to be shut down again. We can't go to barber shops or out to restaurants again, not even for outdoors.

And England hasn't vaccinated anyone. Where are you getting this? They HAVE a vaccine which was successful with test subjects, but no one has been vaccinated from the public yet just like in America. They will get it a bit sooner, starting next week IIRC. But even then, that's going to take months just like here for that to cover a big enough swath of the country.

But you would think it would be a step in the right direction. Are you saying that only when it covers a big enough swath is there reason to be hopeful?

There is clearly a desire to not have theme parks in operation in this state. They have been singled out, even worse than barbers and nail salons. I can still get a haircut next week by texting my barber and going in through the back door of his speakeasy barbershop, and I can still get a manicure the same way. But I can not get into Disneyland via the Ball Road entrance.

Governor Newsom has no love for theme parks. He doesn't get them, he and First Partner have never taken their four children to one, and he thinks they are trashy and wasteful and relics of the 20th century. Prove me wrong.

Are you saying then that Newsom will never, ever allow theme parks to reopen ever again even after the pandemic is over?

 

[el_super]

There is clearly a desire to not have theme parks in operation in this state.

No. There is a desire to control a public health crisis.

 

[mharrington]

I'm not following? What would be a waste of time? The measures would have to still stay because unless you have a big stamp on your forehead you been vaccinated, it's still kind of a big risk to just assume everyone is now safe. And we still don't even know how long the vaccinations lasts although I think one of them said should be at least a year. But there are still questions obviously.

Of course you can just allow the people who has actually been vaccinated to come but that would be a HUGE mess lol. So that's probably why the measures will have to stay in place until we know a good solid portion of the population is vaccinated and of course just less hospitalizations. End of the day, that's going to tell us if things are really improving or not.

But hey, like you said, why bother reopening any parks at all, ever? After all, like you said, Newsom hates parks and doesn't want them open. So yeah, it was all in vain, it seems.

 

[TP2000]

Here in Orange County, the Fairview Development Center has been ordered to go to Warm Status with over 100 beds.

But in Los Angeles, no "warming up" the St. Vincent Hospital... Why???

L.A. Surge Hospital for coronavirus patients to close in June - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

Fairview Developmental Center, housing COVID-19 patients, was set to close but will stay open - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

There's many options to ramp up hospital capacity in any American city, for a virus that impacts mostly the old and sickly.

It's fascinating how Newsom and others are not saying a word about the field hospital and hospital ship options right now, when they were all over that back in March. And then they all sat there empty in April before they were packed up and closed.

Hospital capacity nearing redline? Then activate the US Army field hospitals and deploy the US Navy Hospital Ships we all pay for with our taxes! We don't have the best military on the planet just so Germans and Frenchmen can sleep easy at night knowing taxpayers in Ohio pay to defend them against the Russians.

We pay for all this stuff, and employ some of the most patriotic and hard working Americans, so that we Americans can benefit from that. So use it! Is Governor Newsom worried about hospital capacity? With one phone call to Trump he could get the ARCO Center and the Cow Palace and the Moscone Center turned into 1,000 bed field hospitals by next Tuesday. Also the Staples Center, Anaheim Convention Center, and San Diego Convention Center turned into 1,000 bed field hospitals. And the USNS Mercy could be moored in San Pedro by Monday with another 1,000 beds and a few hundred ICU beds available for Mayor Garcetti's use as he wants.

This is not rocket science. We are not a Third World nation. We have options. This is what we pay taxes for.

Cattlemen's Steakhouse! I gotta go!

 

[fctiger]

But we ARE going to be shut down again. We can't go to barber shops or out to restaurants again, not even for outdoors.



But you would think it would be a step in the right direction. Are you saying that only when it covers a big enough swath is there reason to be hopeful?



Are you saying then that Newsom will never, ever allow theme parks to reopen ever again even after the pandemic is over?

Not fully though. All the malls and stores will stay open. You can still go to Target and Walmart. Beaches and parks are still open. Most of these things were shut down 6 months ago. Now are all still open.

And dude what is this obsession with what I'm saying lol. You keep saying 'Are you saying..." I'm not the government man, I don't know. I just read or watch the news like you do. I don't have a magic ball, it's just a guess obviously. I'm only going by what we have been doing for the last 8 months, which has sadly been more of a failure than anything.

And you're talking to someone who thought Disneyland was going to open by July or August the latest....that clearly didn't happen lol. So don't listen to me! That was now 5 months ago. And things are actually worse then they were then. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see places are not opening again anytime in the near future as long as the number of cases stay high.

But with the vaccine, we now have some light at the end of the tunnel. It would be nice if things could start changing by the Spring although many were predicting things should be better by then anyway, but yeah I'm not counting on that. But once a vaccine comes and can cover at least a third of the country then things should start changing faster. THe parks could even be open by Spring. Fingers crossed.

 

[el_super]

It's fascinating how Newsom and others are not saying a word about the field hospital and hospital ship options right now

Does a state governor have the authority to deploy federal resources?

 

[Darkbeer1]

Does a state governor have the authority to deploy federal resources?

No, but he can request it.

Just like the USS Mercy.

Or all the Federal resources the Governor of New York asked for and got.

That is how the system works. The State declares the emergency, then FEMA gets involved.

Weather issues, Fire issues, Medical issues, all the same.

The local and state declarers the emergency, and then the Feds respond.

 

[mharrington]

I'm not following? What would be a waste of time? The measures would have to still stay because unless you have a big stamp on your forehead you been vaccinated, it's still kind of a big risk to just assume everyone is now safe. And we still don't even know how long the vaccinations lasts although I think one of them said should be at least a year. But there are still questions obviously.

Of course you can just allow the people who has actually been vaccinated to come but that would be a HUGE mess lol. So that's probably why the measures will have to stay in place until we know a good solid portion of the population is vaccinated and of course just less hospitalizations. End of the day, that's going to tell us if things are really improving or not.

Well, like you said, Newsom hates theme parks, so why bother reopening them ever again, ever, after the pandemic ends? And yes, that would mean a waste of time in terms of social distancing measures, because they can't use them.

Not fully though. All the malls and stores will stay open. You can still go to Target and Walmart. Beaches and parks are still open. Most of these things were shut down 6 months ago. Now are all still open.

For how long, though? I believe beaches and parks are on Newsom's new hit list.

And dude what is this obsession with what I'm saying lol. You keep saying 'Are you saying..." I'm not the government man, I don't know. I just read or watch the news like you do. I don't have a magic ball, it's just a guess obviously. I'm only going by what we have been doing for the last 8 months, which has sadly been more of a failure than anything.

I didn't say you were the government, I'm just trying to make sense of what you said.

And you're talking to someone who thought Disneyland was going to open by July or August the latest....that clearly didn't happen lol. That was now 5 months ago. And things are actually worse now then they were then. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see places are not opening again anytime in the near future as long as the number of cases stay high.

But with the vaccine, we now have some light at the end of the tunnel. It would be nice if things could start changing by the Spring although many were predicting things should be better by then anyway, but yeah I'm not counting on that. But once a vaccine comes and can cover at least a third of the country then things should start changing faster. THe parks could even be open by Spring. Fingers crossed.

Or they may never reopen at all, because like you said, Newsom hates theme parks. Even if they did reopen, I have a feeling they will literally be the last to do so, long after everyone has gotten the vaccine. Not a third of the country, but the ENTIRE country. And since us ordinary folks can't get the vaccine until April at the absolute earliest, that will probably not happen until... oh, probably next fall. That is, if they ever open again, because, like you said, they may never do so because Newsom hates them.

 

[fctiger]

But hey, like you said, why bother reopening any parks at all, ever? After all, like you said, Newsom hates parks and doesn't want them open. So yeah, it was all in vain, it seems.

I never said that lol. What is your obsession with my posts? At the very least understand what I'm saying. This isn't at all. And of course they will open again, they are some of the biggest economies of the state. Look I'm not pro or anti Newsom, I'm just anti-virus. I would prefer for the parks to be open now but same time it doesn't help when the cases are only getting worse.

So that reason alone, I get it,, but I also think you can open them safely like the other parks. But then again both Hong Kong and Paris just closed down their parks again (Hong Kong for the third time) and they are both MUCH better off than we are. This yo-yo effect isn't going away until we get a handle on the virus and sadly not even close.

 

[el_super]

That is how the system works. The State declares the emergency, then FEMA gets involved.

Hasn't that already happened though? Did this stop being an emergency at some point during the summer?

 

[fctiger]

Well, like you said, Newsom hates theme parks, so why bother reopening them ever again, ever, after the pandemic ends? And yes, that would mean a waste of time in terms of social distancing measures, because they can't use them.



For how long, though? I believe beaches and parks are on Newsom's new hit list.



I didn't say you were the government, I'm just trying to make sense of what you said.



Or they may never reopen at all, because like you said, Newsom hates theme parks. Even if they did reopen, I have a feeling they will literally be the last to do so, long after everyone has gotten the vaccine. Not a third of the country, but the ENTIRE country. And since us ordinary folks can't get the vaccine until April at the absolute earliest, that will probably not happen until... oh, probably next fall. That is, if they ever open again, because, like you said, they may never do so because Newsom hates them.

You're putting words into my mouth again. Where did I say Newsom hates theme parks???? And guys I know we're all focused on Disneyland and California because we live here, but the majority of theme parks are still closed nationwide. Florida is really the only place where they are fully open again and yeah it's Florida.

You're taking this a bit too personally. I don't know what Newsom hates. I don't think this is some evil bid to close them forever considering the amount of jobs, tourist and money they bring to the state. Hopefully they can open by the summer or spring, but yeah it will depend on a lot of factors. Again if the vaccine is a success and people stop getting less sick then maybe they will be open by Spring. I wouldn't count on them being open any sooner than that unfortunately.

But of course they will open again. Eventually things will get back to normal. That's only a question of when but I'm guessing not for another year fully.

 

[mharrington]

I never said that lol. What is your obsession with my posts? At the very least understand what I'm saying. This isn't at all. And of course they will open again, they are some of the biggest economies of the state. Look I'm not pro or anti Newsom, I'm just anti-virus. I would prefer for the parks to be open now but same time it doesn't help when the cases are only getting worse.

So that reason alone, I get it,, but I also think you can open them safely like the other parks. But then again both Hong Kong and Paris just closed down their parks again (Hong Kong for the third time) and they are both MUCH better off than we are. This yo-yo effect isn't going away until we get a handle on the virus and sadly not even close.

It's not you as much as what you posted. I'm anti-virus as well. In fact, ever since the pandemic started, I have been deliberately trying to avoid anything Disneyland-related that wasn't related to this closure because to think of Disneyland will make me sad. And I'm tired of it. I want to be able to go back to Disneyland-related material for fun and not this pandemic.

And apparently, the impression from your yo-yo effect comment is that they're never reopening again until they do eliminate the yo-yo effect. Either reopen and stay open or don't reopen at all. It's as simple as that.

 

[mharrington]

You're putting words into my mouth again. Where did I say Newsom hates theme parks???? And guys I know we're all focused on Disneyland and California because we live here, but the majority of theme parks are still closed nationwide. Florida is really the only place where they are fully open again and yeah it's Florida.

You're taking this a bit too personally. I don't know what Newsom hates. I don't think this is some evil bid to close them forever considering the amount of jobs, tourist and money they bring to the state. Hopefully they can open by the summer or spring, but yeah it will depend on a lot of factors. Again if the vaccine is a success and people stop getting less sick then maybe they will be open by Spring. I wouldn't count on them being open any sooner than that unfortuantely.

Then where did your comment on Newsom's hatred of parks come from? Also, I wouldn't expect maybe summer or even fall for reopenings at this point. I believe they want to make it so that there is no chance whatsoever they will ever get sick from this at the parks.

 

[fctiger]

It's not you as much as what you posted. I'm anti-virus as well. In fact, ever since the pandemic started, I have been deliberately trying to avoid anything Disneyland-related that wasn't related to this closure because to think of Disneyland will make me sad. And I'm tired of it. I want to be able to go back to Disneyland-related material for fun and not this pandemic.

And apparently, the impression from your yo-yo effect comment is that they're never reopening again until they do eliminate the yo-yo effect. Either reopen and stay open or don't reopen at all. It's as simple as that.

Yeah, this I agree with. I don't think the parks will open fully UNTIL there is real stability and we are still far far away from that unfortunately.

And yeah I agree with you, I'm sad too. I had planned to go to THREE Disney resorts this year (DLR, WDW and TDR)...and I ended up going to none lol. Tokyo and WDW both I haven't been over a decade so was very excited to see those again. So it sucks, I agree. But we have to stay positive. The biggest one being when they DO open that you will be healthy and alive to go back along with all your family and friends hopefully. The short term sucks, but that's why I focus on the long term.

But I was mainly talking about opening up in general when I said there will be some normalcy, not really the theme parks themselves. As I said I don't see them opening until spring or summer the soonest because that's when they think the majority of the population has been vaccinated. But I put as much trust in that as I do most things I hear from the government these days, meaning none at all.

But would loved to be proven wrong! And the fact is that we have a vaccine so fast is really remarkable