Downtown Disney District Extends to Buena Vista Street

[mharrington]

Yes, if the Region falls below the 15% available ICU beds.

But that means Downtown Disney and DCA don't stand a chance.

Newsom might as well throw out his whole color-tier system and just keep everyone in total lockdown until April or whenever a vaccine is available to the ordinary masses, because nothing else seems to be working.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Newsom might as well throw out his whole color-tier system and just keep everyone in total lockdown until April or whenever a vaccine is available to the ordinary masses, because nothing else seems to be working.

I agree. The problem here and elsewhere isn't the guidance, it's people routinely ignoring common sense and pretending Covid19 isn't serious.

That said California's mitigation strategy is working a whole lot better than whatever many other states are doing. Out of the 50 states California currently ranks 41 in total cases per million since the start of the pandemic.

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www.worldometers.info

 

[TP2000]

But that means Downtown Disney and DCA don't stand a chance.

Newsom might as well throw out his whole color-tier system and just keep everyone in total lockdown until April or whenever a vaccine is available to the ordinary masses, because nothing else seems to be working.

Yeah. Buena Vista Street and Downtown Disney are toast. I'd imagine this would kick in by early next week, and because it lasts a minimum of 3 weeks the entire facility would remain closed through December 28th at least, likely into January.

All Downtown Disney restaurants are closed. Stores may only allow 20% of their capacity inside. All dining reservations for outdoor seating (Carthay Circle, Naples, Uva Bar, etc.) would be cancelled. So.... what's the point?

You would be allowed to go into the restaurants to order some food to go and then sit randomly on the cement planters in the mall to eat. But you can't sit at a dining table to eat, because that would be cleaned and sanitized by staff in between each set of diners whereas the cement planter is random and unregulated. Science & Data!

 

[Darkbeer1]

Yeah. Buena Vista Street and Downtown Disney are toast. I'd imagine this would kick in by early next week, and because it lasts a minimum of 3 weeks the entire facility would remain closed through December 28th at least, likely into January.

All Downtown Disney restaurants are closed. Stores may only allow 20% of their capacity inside. All dining reservations for outdoor seating would be cancelled. So.... what's the point?

I suppose you would be allowed to order some food from a pickup window and then sit randomly on the cement planters in the mall to eat? But you can't sit at a dining table, which would be cleaned and sanitized by staff in between each set of diners. Science & Data!

Knott's Taste of Merry Farm would also have to stop.

And SeaWorld, as with all Aquariums and Museums also will be shut down. (Have reservations for the SeaWorld Christmas on the 19th...)

 

[TP2000]

Knott's Taste of Merry Farm would also have to stop.

And SeaWorld, as with all Aquariums and Museums also will be shut down. (Have reservations for the SeaWorld Christmas on the 19th...)

Ooh, yeah. That too.

From the latest Mandate drafted in the private dining room at The French Laundry, this particular line caught my eye....

Outdoor recreational facilities: Allow outdoor operation only without any food, drink or alcohol sales.

What is an "outdoor recreational facility" exactly? A state park? Knott's Merry Farm? Buena Vista Street? Irvine Spectrum? The Fullerton Arboretum? Sea World? The Huntington Beach Pier? A local playground?

Seriously, I wonder what falls into that category? And how do you limit something outdoors to "outdoor operation only"? And who the heck writes this stuff? Do they want to cause confusion on purpose???

 

[Darkbeer1]

Stay-at-home order raises many questions for Disneyland and other California theme parks – Orange County Register (ocregister.com)

>>California’s impending stay-at-home order raises as many questions as it answers for Disneyland, Knott’s Berry Farm and other California theme parks that are already operating under state coronavirus restrictions that have kept the major tourist destinations closed for eight months.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s new stay-at-home order — which is expected to go into effect in the next few days throughout much of the state — limits restaurants to take-out or delivery, restricts retail to 20% capacity and closes amusement parks, hotels, zoos and aquariums.

California theme parks are unlikely to return to full operation until early 2021 or next summer under COVID-19 health and safety reopening guidelines issued by the state. Many of the state’s theme parks have partially reopened without rides for shopping, dining and special events.

What do the new stay-at-home orders mean for California theme parks?

Is Knott’s Berry Farm offering outdoor dining or takeout at the Taste of Merry Farm tasting event? What happens to theme parks that reopened as zoos and aquariums? Is the Holiday in the Park Drive-Thru Experience at Six Flags Magic Mountain considered a large gathering if everyone stays in their cars?

Disneyland, Universal Studios Hollywood, Knott’s Berry Farm, Six Flags Magic Mountain, SeaWorld San Diego, Legoland California and other California theme parks are still trying to figure out all the implications of Newsom’s new order.

The stay-at-home order would have little impact on retail restrictions — reducing capacity limits from 25% to 20% in most of the state. But would it be worth keeping Downtown Disney and Universal CityWalk open without outdoor dining?

Universal CityWalk retail stores and select takeout dining venues will remain open for business while all outdoor dining has temporarily closed, according to Universal Studios Hollywood officials.

Sit-down restaurants like Carthay Circle Lounge in Disney California Adventure and Ballast Point Brewing in Downtown Disney would have to stop offering outdoor dining under California’s stay-at-home order. But would they offer takeout?

Black Tap Craft Burgers & Beer and Ralph Brennan’s Jazz Kitchen have takeout windows for CrazyShakes and beignets. But if Downtown Disney visitors sit down to eat is that considered outdoor dining?

Mrs. Knott’s chicken dinner restaurant offers curbside pick-up and carry-out — if and when outdoor dining is banned in Orange County.

Theme parks like SeaWorld San Diego and Six Flags Discovery Kingdom have partially reopened without rides under California’s aquariums and zoos guidelines. Both parks would have to close their animal exhibits under California’s stay-at-home order. What does that mean for SeaWorld’s Christmas Celebration and the Marine World Experience at Discovery Kingdom?

Legoland California expects to cease the Holidays at Legoland dining and retail experience once the guidance is implemented across the state, Legoland officials said.

The Knott’s Berry Farm Hotel and the Legoland Hotels would have to close under the state’s stay-at-home order — unless they were housing critical infrastructure support personnel.

Legoland’s Big Shop and Legoland Castle Hotel will remain open until further notice, according to Legoland officials.<<

 

[Darkbeer1]

Ooh, yeah. That too.

From the latest Mandate drafted in the private dining room at The French Laundry, this particular line caught my eye....

Outdoor recreational facilities: Allow outdoor operation only without any food, drink or alcohol sales.

What is an "outdoor recreational facility" exactly? A state park? Knott's Merry Farm? Buena Vista Street? Irvine Spectrum? The Fullerton Arboretum? The Huntington Beach Pier? A local playground?

Seriously, I wonder what falls into that category? And how do you limit something outdoors to "outdoor operation only"? And who the heck writes this stuff?

Did you see this TP2000?

Calif. restaurant owner mocks Gov. Newsom with 'French Laundry' banner, calls restrictions 'sheer insanity' | Fox Business

 

[mharrington]

Stay-at-home order raises many questions for Disneyland and other California theme parks – Orange County Register (ocregister.com)

>>California’s impending stay-at-home order raises as many questions as it answers for Disneyland, Knott’s Berry Farm and other California theme parks that are already operating under state coronavirus restrictions that have kept the major tourist destinations closed for eight months.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s new stay-at-home order — which is expected to go into effect in the next few days throughout much of the state — limits restaurants to take-out or delivery, restricts retail to 20% capacity and closes amusement parks, hotels, zoos and aquariums.

California theme parks are unlikely to return to full operation until early 2021 or next summer under COVID-19 health and safety reopening guidelines issued by the state. Many of the state’s theme parks have partially reopened without rides for shopping, dining and special events.

What do the new stay-at-home orders mean for California theme parks?

Is Knott’s Berry Farm offering outdoor dining or takeout at the Taste of Merry Farm tasting event? What happens to theme parks that reopened as zoos and aquariums? Is the Holiday in the Park Drive-Thru Experience at Six Flags Magic Mountain considered a large gathering if everyone stays in their cars?

Disneyland, Universal Studios Hollywood, Knott’s Berry Farm, Six Flags Magic Mountain, SeaWorld San Diego, Legoland California and other California theme parks are still trying to figure out all the implications of Newsom’s new order.

The stay-at-home order would have little impact on retail restrictions — reducing capacity limits from 25% to 20% in most of the state. But would it be worth keeping Downtown Disney and Universal CityWalk open without outdoor dining?

Universal CityWalk retail stores and select takeout dining venues will remain open for business while all outdoor dining has temporarily closed, according to Universal Studios Hollywood officials.

Sit-down restaurants like Carthay Circle Lounge in Disney California Adventure and Ballast Point Brewing in Downtown Disney would have to stop offering outdoor dining under California’s stay-at-home order. But would they offer takeout?

Black Tap Craft Burgers & Beer and Ralph Brennan’s Jazz Kitchen have takeout windows for CrazyShakes and beignets. But if Downtown Disney visitors sit down to eat is that considered outdoor dining?

Mrs. Knott’s chicken dinner restaurant offers curbside pick-up and carry-out — if and when outdoor dining is banned in Orange County.

Theme parks like SeaWorld San Diego and Six Flags Discovery Kingdom have partially reopened without rides under California’s aquariums and zoos guidelines. Both parks would have to close their animal exhibits under California’s stay-at-home order. What does that mean for SeaWorld’s Christmas Celebration and the Marine World Experience at Discovery Kingdom?

Legoland California expects to cease the Holidays at Legoland dining and retail experience once the guidance is implemented across the state, Legoland officials said.

The Knott’s Berry Farm Hotel and the Legoland Hotels would have to close under the state’s stay-at-home order — unless they were housing critical infrastructure support personnel.

Legoland’s Big Shop and Legoland Castle Hotel will remain open until further notice, according to Legoland officials.<<

I think I know what it means. It means that nothing less than a vaccine will allow anything to reopen. And I mean anything. And why wouldn't it? Why only do things by halves when, with a vaccine, you could go back to normal?

 

[TP2000]

Stay-at-home order raises many questions for Disneyland and other California theme parks – Orange County Register (ocregister.com)

>>California’s impending stay-at-home order raises as many questions as it answers for Disneyland, Knott’s Berry Farm and other California theme parks that are already operating under state coronavirus restrictions that have kept the major tourist destinations closed for eight months.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s new stay-at-home order — which is expected to go into effect in the next few days throughout much of the state — limits restaurants to take-out or delivery, restricts retail to 20% capacity and closes amusement parks, hotels, zoos and aquariums.

California theme parks are unlikely to return to full operation until early 2021 or next summer under COVID-19 health and safety reopening guidelines issued by the state. Many of the state’s theme parks have partially reopened without rides for shopping, dining and special events.

What do the new stay-at-home orders mean for California theme parks?

Is Knott’s Berry Farm offering outdoor dining or takeout at the Taste of Merry Farm tasting event? What happens to theme parks that reopened as zoos and aquariums? Is the Holiday in the Park Drive-Thru Experience at Six Flags Magic Mountain considered a large gathering if everyone stays in their cars?

Disneyland, Universal Studios Hollywood, Knott’s Berry Farm, Six Flags Magic Mountain, SeaWorld San Diego, Legoland California and other California theme parks are still trying to figure out all the implications of Newsom’s new order.

The stay-at-home order would have little impact on retail restrictions — reducing capacity limits from 25% to 20% in most of the state. But would it be worth keeping Downtown Disney and Universal CityWalk open without outdoor dining?

Universal CityWalk retail stores and select takeout dining venues will remain open for business while all outdoor dining has temporarily closed, according to Universal Studios Hollywood officials.

Sit-down restaurants like Carthay Circle Lounge in Disney California Adventure and Ballast Point Brewing in Downtown Disney would have to stop offering outdoor dining under California’s stay-at-home order. But would they offer takeout?

Black Tap Craft Burgers & Beer and Ralph Brennan’s Jazz Kitchen have takeout windows for CrazyShakes and beignets. But if Downtown Disney visitors sit down to eat is that considered outdoor dining?

Mrs. Knott’s chicken dinner restaurant offers curbside pick-up and carry-out — if and when outdoor dining is banned in Orange County.

Theme parks like SeaWorld San Diego and Six Flags Discovery Kingdom have partially reopened without rides under California’s aquariums and zoos guidelines. Both parks would have to close their animal exhibits under California’s stay-at-home order. What does that mean for SeaWorld’s Christmas Celebration and the Marine World Experience at Discovery Kingdom?

Legoland California expects to cease the Holidays at Legoland dining and retail experience once the guidance is implemented across the state, Legoland officials said.

The Knott’s Berry Farm Hotel and the Legoland Hotels would have to close under the state’s stay-at-home order — unless they were housing critical infrastructure support personnel.

Legoland’s Big Shop and Legoland Castle Hotel will remain open until further notice, according to Legoland officials.<<

Okay, at least I'm not the only one very confused. Much of this makes little sense, even to professional journalists and restauranteurs.

Science & Data does NOT seem to explain why it's okay for me to go inside Naples to order a pizza to go and then take that pizza outside to sit on a planter in Downtown Disney to eat the pizza, then get up and leave and let someone else sit on the planters eating their pizza, with no regulation or cleaning process used in between diners and sitters.

You May Eat Pizza or Burgers Here! No One Will Clean The Surfaces In Between Seatings. Science & Data!

But all those giant dining patios a few yards away that would be regulated via a reservation system and App based communication? Where I would walk up to the outdoor hostess stand and be seated outdoors and never step foot inside the restaurant? And then the table and surfaces I touched and used would be professionally cleaned and sanitized before the next regulated diner sat down for a meal?

Regulated seatings at professionally cleaned and sanitized tables is NOT allowed. Science & Data!

Makes total sense! Right? Right?!?...

Did you see this TP2000?

Calif. restaurant owner mocks Gov. Newsom with 'French Laundry' banner, calls restrictions 'sheer insanity' | Fox Business

No, I missed that. It's hysterical! Good for him! I need one of those banners for my dining room for Christmas dinner.

 

[fctiger]

I think I know what it means. It means that nothing less than a vaccine will allow anything to reopen. And I mean anything. And why wouldn't it? Why only do things by halves when, with a vaccine, you could go back to normal?

Well at least fully. I don't think we are going to see real normalcy until the summer the earliest.

But the reality is nothing is truly working to contain the virus. We missed the bus months ago when we never got the testing and contract tracing fully in place and we're paying the price of it on a grand level. We lost the most people in one day ever with this virus, just yesterday. Nothing is really improving and just getting worse. Basically all they are trying to at this point is keep the hospitals a bit lower, trying to get a handle on the virus itself is not even a real option anymore sadly.

I heard when Biden comes in, mask wearing may be mandatory nation wide but we all know how well that's going to go down lol.

 

[mharrington]

Well at least fully. I don't think we are going to see real normalcy until the summer the earliest.

That's my point, though: my feeling is we will have no reopenings unless it can be done fully. Either reopen fully or don't reopen at all. Not the 75% that some seem to be targeting, but 100%.

But the reality is nothing is truly working to contain the virus. We missed the bus months ago when we never got the testing and contract tracing fully in place and we're paying the price of it on a grand level. We lost the most people in one day ever with this virus, just yesterday. Nothing is really improving and just getting worse. Basically all they are trying to at this point is keep the hospitals a bit lower, trying to get a handle on the virus itself is not even a real option anymore sadly.

But if you're saying nothing is working, then that means the vaccine won't work, either. I thought it was a success in England.

 

[TP2000]

Well at least fully. I don't think we are going to see real normalcy until the summer the earliest.

But the reality is nothing is truly working to contain the virus. We missed the bus months ago when we never got the testing and contract tracing fully in place and we're paying the price of it on a grand level. We lost the most people in one day ever with this virus, just yesterday. Nothing is really improving and just getting worse. Basically all they are trying to at this point is keep the hospitals a bit lower, trying to get a handle on the virus itself is not even a real option anymore sadly.

I heard when Biden comes in, mask wearing may be mandatory nation wide but we all know how well that's going to go down lol.

Contact Tracing is a joke in the 2020's.

I am an old fogey, but I have that AT&T plan that gives me a new phone every 2 years. I just got the 12 Pro Max. I have just under 50 people programmed into it; family from San Diego to British Columbia, good friends from coast-to-coast, and less than ten personal service providers (barber, doctor, dentist, my nail lady, banker, taxman, gardener, and Molly Maids).

Anytime the phone rings and its not one of those people/businesses I already know, I sure as hell don't answer it. And when an unknown number leaves me some 40 second voicemail, I almost never listen to it. It just gets erased.

The technology of the last 10 years has allowed only people that I know and approve of to contact me and speak with me. No one else is allowed to waste my time, thanks to those nice folks at Apple and AT&T.

How the heck do you put that Genie back in the bottle and get people to start answering random, anonymous phone calls again like it's 1978?

 

[Darkbeer1]

I heard when Biden comes in, mask wearing may be mandatory nation wide but we all know how well that's going to go down lol.

Even the President-elect has said he can't do that. It has to come from the States.

But he has talked about a Public Transit order, since most of it is at least partially funded by the Federal Government.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

Knott's Taste of Merry Farm would also have to stop.

And SeaWorld, as with all Aquariums and Museums also will be shut down. (Have reservations for the SeaWorld Christmas on the 19th...)

Okay, at least I'm not the only one very confused. Much of this makes little sense, even to professional journalists and restauranteurs.

Science & Data does NOT seem to explain why it's okay for me to go inside Naples to order a pizza to go and then take that pizza outside to sit on a planter in Downtown Disney to eat the pizza, then get up and leave and let someone else sit on the planters eating their pizza, with no regulation or cleaning process used in between diners and sitters.

You May Eat Pizza or Burgers Here! No One Will Clean The Surfaces In Between Seatings. Science & Data!

But all those giant dining patios a few yards away that would be regulated via a reservation system and App based communication? Where I would walk up to the outdoor hostess stand and be seated outdoors and never step foot inside the restaurant? And then the table and surfaces I touched and used would be professionally cleaned and sanitized before the next regulated diner sat down for a meal?

Regulated seatings at professionally cleaned and sanitized tables is NOT allowed. Science & Data!

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Makes total sense! Right? Right?!?...



No, I missed that. It's hysterical! Good for him! I need one of those banners for my dining room for Christmas dinner.

you misunderstand, under these new regulations you would not be allowed to eat on property at all. Just take your food and go home. So they won't let you sit on the concrete planter to eat in the first place.

 

[TP2000]

you misunderstand, under these new regulations you would not be allowed to eat on property at all. Just take your food and go home. So they won't let you sit on the concrete planter to eat in the first place.

Huh. You may be right.

But that would seem to just shut down all of Downtown Disney's restaurants entirely. Who would park a half mile away in Simba to wait to go through Security/Medical Screening to then walk to Black Tap or Brennan's to pick up food to walk back the half mile to your car and drive home with it? That's pointless.

 

[TP2000]

Theme parks like SeaWorld San Diego and Six Flags Discovery Kingdom have partially reopened without rides under California’s aquariums and zoos guidelines. Both parks would have to close their animal exhibits under California’s stay-at-home order. What does that mean for SeaWorld’s Christmas Celebration and the Marine World Experience at Discovery Kingdom?

Legoland California expects to cease the Holidays at Legoland dining and retail experience once the guidance is implemented across the state, Legoland officials said.

The Knott’s Berry Farm Hotel and the Legoland Hotels would have to close under the state’s stay-at-home order — unless they were housing critical infrastructure support personnel.

Legoland’s Big Shop and Legoland Castle Hotel will remain open until further notice, according to Legoland officials.<<

Stay-at-home order raises many questions for Disneyland and other California theme parks

California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s new stay-at-home order will limit restaurants to take-out or delivery, restricts retail to 20% capacity and closes amusement parks, hotels, zoos and aquariums.

www.ocregister.com

So, this is the dark side of these smaller parks investing in these food festival events, like Knott's Merry Farm and Legoland Holidays thing. After they spent a bunch of money and capital investment to create these things and get them off the ground, they get shut down for the entire month of December almost without warning. Oops!

It really does feel like a few key folks in Sacramento just want to put theme parks out of business in California, just like they want to stop the sale of gasoline powered cars and all sorts of other unfashionable and wasteful products and practices from the 20th century.

There's a vendetta out there for theme parks, and I think it's pretty clear now it's tied to Global Warming strategies.

Speaking of dining, here at the glamorous Hampton Inn - Redding I'm about to walk across the street to the rather fabulous Cattlemen's Steakhouse after a long day on Interstate 5 the trail. Red meat is still allowed in California. For now.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

Huh. You may be right.

But that would seem to just shut down all of Downtown Disney's restaurants entirely. Who would park a half mile away in Simba to wait to go through Security/Medical Screening to then walk to Black Tap or Brennan's to pick up food to walk back the half mile to your car and drive home with it? That's pointless.

Yup it is but that is what is about to happen.

 

[fctiger]

That's my point, though: my feeling is we will have no reopenings unless it can be done fully. Either reopen fully or don't reopen at all. Not the 75% that some seem to be targeting, but 100%.



But if you're saying nothing is working, then that means the vaccine won't work, either. I thought it was a success in England.

That might've been possible if we took the virus more seriously back in March and April, but that boat has sailed. It's kind of a yo-yo effect now. It also doesn't help when we don't have a national mandate and basically the states are just doing what they want. That's what is so frustrating about it. If California closes everything tomorrow, but Nevada goes just the opposite and opens everything up, it's not going to make a huge difference. These states don't have actual border wall, it's all free range and that's the problem.

And I didn't say nothing isn't working, just not working as well as it should be. And I don't understand your point about the vaccine in England? Huh?? They haven't been vaccinated yet as far as I know. Do you mean Russia, which claimed it did create a vaccine for a few months now, but the results...not so great.

But even when we do get the vaccine, it will still not change things too much for awhile. We probably still have to wear mask and social distance but you will be able to open things up much more and faster. I'm convinced Disneyland won't open until after the vaccine hits the masses.

 

[fctiger]

Even the President-elect has said he can't do that. It has to come from the States.

But he has talked about a Public Transit order, since most of it is at least partially funded by the Federal Government.

That's what I mean. If you can't make things mandatory, then yeah it's not going to change much. We just lost control of the virus. Most of the Governors tried to do the right thing and we have success stories, but very minimum if we took this more seriously from the start. California is in WORSE shape it's in because many people didn't follow the rules and yes that includes the Governor himself. You can't tell others not to do something but then break your own rule. Has the reaction from it has been hyperbolic, clearly lol. But he created the issue. But that doesn't mean people should just ignore following the rules obviously. These are not arbitrary rules, the point is to still try and stop it from spreading. But you look at how many traveled for Thanksgiving and you just shake your head.

That said, we all get it, everyone wants to get back to their normal lives. But that's the problem, every time people TRY and do that the hospitals fill up again and we go back to the shut downs like now.

 

[mharrington]

That might've been possible if we took the virus more seriously back in March and April, but that boat has sailed. It's kind of a yo-yo effect now. It also doesn't help when we don't have a national mandate and basically the states are just doing what they want. That's what is so frustrating about it. If California closes everything tomorrow, but Nevada goes just the opposite and opens everything up, it's not going to make a huge difference. These states don't have actual border wall, it's all free range and that's the problem.

So you're saying that the pandemic is never going to end? I realize that the virus will probably be here with us for all time, like the flu, but are you saying that the pandemic will never go away either? That it only would have been eradicated with a single federal leadership and maybe literal border walls? And that since we have nothing of the sort, California will never, ever fully reopen again?

And I didn't say nothing isn't working, just not working as well as it should be. And I don't understand your point about the vaccine in England? Huh?? They haven't been vaccinated yet as far as I know. Do you mean Russia, which claimed it did create a vaccine for a few months now, but the results...not so great.

But by your logic, it sounds things must work well, or they won't work at all. As for England, they did tests in England, and they were 95% successful.

That said, we all get it, everyone wants to get back to their normal lives. But that's the problem, every time people TRY and do that the hospitals fill up again and we go back to the shut downs like now.

So basically, we can never truly reopen anything unless we can go back to normal, and only a vaccine will allow that? Is that it, that the vaccine is literally our only hope?