Done they were. Lied they did.

[Wendy Pleakley]

And I don't watch GoT, but it sounds like Benioff and Weiss is not ending that series really well.

Taken on their own, the final seasons of GoT are highly entertaining.

They're noticeably different than the seasons based off the books, which are known for twists and shocking moments. Latter seasons feel like a more predictable, generic fantasy series. I'm not surprised fans of the books are disappointed.

Based on that I'd speculate that they'll make Star Wars movies that are fun, but a bit safe. Satisfying in the way Force Awakens was, but not ground breaking.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm surprised this forum allows this kind of toxic behaviour - encouraging the act of running people off because they don't share an opinion.

I think it was worded incorrectly....

There is little “running off”...but there is a lot of debate and that can be a good thing. I have my opinion changed a lot. I just don’t give much on facts, numbers and pretty clear motivations

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Taken on their own, the final seasons of GoT are highly entertaining.

They're noticeably different than the seasons based off the books, which are known for twists and shocking moments. Latter seasons feel like a more predictable, generic fantasy series. I'm not surprised fans of the books are disappointed.

Based on that I'd speculate that they'll make Star Wars movies that are fun, but a bit safe. Satisfying in the way Force Awakens was, but not ground breaking.

There rushed it...that’s the problem. It’s not the story...it’s the pacing and shortcuts. HBO didn’t want to pay anymore.

They’ll regret that by this time next year.

Here’s an article today about it:

David Benioff and D.B. Weiss’s Rush to Finish ‘Game of Thrones’

The showrunners said they didn’t need full, 10-episode installments for seasons 7 and 8, but the breakneck pace ‘Thrones’ has taken is a clear departure from years past—and comes with disheartening side effects

www.google.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Dave Filoni.

No...I love his stuff and he certainly is the right kind of “fan”....but he’s a Lucas loyalist

George had his shot...he went the way he did with prequel and merch clutter and now has to live with it

 

[xdan0920]

There rushed it...that’s the problem. It’s not the story...it’s the pacing and shortcuts. HBO didn’t want to pay anymore.

They’ll regret that by this time next year.

Here’s an article today about it:

David Benioff and D.B. Weiss’s Rush to Finish ‘Game of Thrones’

The showrunners said they didn’t need full, 10-episode installments for seasons 7 and 8, but the breakneck pace ‘Thrones’ has taken is a clear departure from years past—and comes with disheartening side effects

www.google.com

HBO did want to pay. The showrunners were tired of doing the show and wanted to move on.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

HBO did want to pay. The showrunners were tired of doing the show and wanted to move on.

From the article, HBO did want the show to continue, but the show runners felt they didn't need more episodes than were ultimately made. HBO supported their creative decision.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

HBO did want to pay. The showrunners were tired of doing the show and wanted to move on.

Ya think?

A lot of Hollywood “insiders” have mentioned cost for 5+ years...that’s usually from the horses mouth.

I can see it the other way too...10 years is along time to tell one story.

Besides...they were hired to replace the Last Johnson anyway...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

From the article, HBO did want the show to continue, but the show runners felt they didn't need more episodes than were ultimately made. HBO supported their creative decision.

So that was...

HBO: lets keep
Going

D&D: great! We need 30 more shows and $400 million dollars

HBO: how about $150 and 13?



Truth might be in the middle here?

 

[xdan0920]

So that was...

HBO: lets keep
Going

D&D: great! We need 30 more shows and $400 million dollars

HBO: how about $150 and 13?



Truth might be in the middle here?

I actually don’t think it is in the middle in this case. I think Benioff and Weiss just ran out of juice. There’s no way HBO want this to end, especially like this. It stinks quite frankly.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The biggest mystery to me is how Lucas thought Kennedy was the hands down perfect person for the job. Lucas was a creative, something Kennedy has never been and never will be.

I think George was really hoping he would get to play the elder statesman role, ostensibly retired but constantly being called in to provide guidance.

 

[erasure fan1]

I actually don’t think it is in the middle in this case. I think Benioff and Weiss just ran out of juice. There’s no way HBO want this to end, especially like this. It stinks quite frankly.

Well they have 3 GoT series in development so we know they wanted it to continue.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Well they have 3 GoT series in development so we know they wanted it to continue.

It does make sense...

HBO has a huge gap in their ability to draw subscribers in 10 days...

I expect they to be a huge drop in that number

 

[KeithVH]

Hire Straczynski to oversee and ideate. Create a storyline(s) that resonates and has defined limits and ending. Bring in Stackpole to help with elements and writing.

If you don't do this, no other changes will matter.

 

[Mike S]

Hire Straczynski to oversee and ideate. Create a storyline(s) that resonates and has defined limits and ending. Bring in Stackpole to help with elements and writing.

If you don't do this, no other changes will matter.

Who?

 

[Mike S]

No...I love his stuff and he certainly is the right kind of “fan”....but he’s a Lucas loyalist

George had his shot...he went the way he did with prequel and merch clutter and now has to live with it

He’s the other lead on The Mandalorian along with Favreau. That’s all I need to know.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

He’s the other lead on The Mandalorian along with Favreau. That’s all I need to know.

He’s tied to the Lucas/McCallum era...that’s all I need to know

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Hire Straczynski to oversee and ideate. Create a storyline(s) that resonates and has defined limits and ending. Bring in Stackpole to help with elements and writing.

If you don't do this, no other changes will matter.

I love that idea

Who?

Young padawan

J. Michael Straczynski. Created Babylon 5....you’ll see it referenced in print as B5...

It was maybe the quintessential sci fi series of the 90’s renaissance that got us to today.

Star Trek next generation and DS9 were wonderfully written and acted shows....but they were episodic. B5 was the first series that follow a central storyline... pre thought out and interwoven.

It was revolutionary. And I just read an article a couple weeks back that said there would be no game of thrones without B5.

That is what Star Wars needs. It’s not like Disney isn’t scoring billions of dollars of box office on comic book movies built that way

 

[mary2013]

I love that idea


Young padawan

J. Michael Straczynski. Created Babylon 5....you’ll see it referenced in print as B5...

It was maybe the quintessential sci fi series of the 90’s renaissance that got us to today.

Star Trek next generation and DS9 were wonderfully written and acted shows....but they were episodic. B5 was the first series that follow a central storyline... pre thought out and interwoven.

It was revolutionary. And I just read an article a couple weeks back that said there would be no game of thrones without B5.

That is what Star Wars needs. It’s not like Disney isn’t scoring billions of dollars of box office on comic book movies built that way

Didn't Straczynski also write Marvel comic books for a while?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Didn't Straczynski also write Marvel comic books for a while?

...he did.

 

[Mike S]

I love that idea


Young padawan

J. Michael Straczynski. Created Babylon 5....you’ll see it referenced in print as B5...

It was maybe the quintessential sci fi series of the 90’s renaissance that got us to today.

Star Trek next generation and DS9 were wonderfully written and acted shows....but they were episodic. B5 was the first series that follow a central storyline... pre thought out and interwoven.

It was revolutionary. And I just read an article a couple weeks back that said there would be no game of thrones without B5.

That is what Star Wars needs. It’s not like Disney isn’t scoring billions of dollars of box office on comic book movies built that way

Heard of it but have never seen it. Thanks for explaining. Now I can agree