Done they were. Lied they did.

[LSLS]

Box Office Mojo has a great feature on their front page that compares similar franchises in respect to box office. They have one now for SW 7 vs Endgame. Worth your time to study over the next few weeks.

Christmas is the best movie season at this point for blockbusters. No longer summer. Or spring.

Last attempt. I know it is. But they feel they HAVE to have Star Wars at that time, while they feel they can put Marvel movies at other times and they will do as well (or completely obliterate) expectations/records. If Star Wars was the "Crown Jewel" they could put it at any time and blow out records. If your theory is correct (which again, I don't believe for a second. They don't call a hiatus as 3-4 months longer than normal), then it would mean they are only going 3 years out because they don't think they can do big numbers with Star Wars at any other time.

I know the data you are referring to. The only head to head you can really compare at this point is the weekend. Endgame has school days, Force did not. Endgame catching Force relies on this weekend and if they makeup some of the weekday numbers.

Not that it really matters. I think it's funny you are comparing Episode 7 with Endgame. Star Wars in 2015 is vastly different than Star Wars in 2019. It's interesting you don't compare Last Jedi, or Solo to any of the Marvel films.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Why limit to only domestic? So Star Wars wins? There’s a whole world out there dude.

The reason why TFA did so great domestically was all the pent up demand and nostalgia based marketing. It was also pretty enjoyable and gave us a lot of interesting questions to answer but then we all know what happened next.

100%

Endgame is an “event” movie...because it’s the payoff...the work has been done.

The Farce was an “event” movie...it was because Disney got the benefit of the doubt...they wouldn’t do stupid cgi and kid characters.

Well...I don’t want to drone on but those two realities are on two completely different paths...as you have pointed out.

Last attempt. I know it is. But they feel they HAVE to have Star Wars at that time, while they feel they can put Marvel movies at other times and they will do as well (or completely obliterate) expectations/records. If Star Wars was the "Crown Jewel" they could put it at any time and blow out records. If your theory is correct (which again, I don't believe for a second. They don't call a hiatus as 3-4 months longer than normal), then it would mean they are only going 3 years out because they don't think they can do big numbers with Star Wars at any other time.

I know the data you are referring to. The only head to head you can really compare at this point is the weekend. Endgame has school days, Force did not. Endgame catching Force relies on this weekend and if they makeup some of the weekday numbers.

Not that it really matters. I think it's funny you are comparing Episode 7 with Endgame. Star Wars in 2015 is vastly different than Star Wars in 2019. It's interesting you don't compare Last Jedi, or Solo to any of the Marvel films.

Agree on all points. Just compare the box office trajectories of each Star Wars movie after to 7...the only that had “held” and been in the box office for a decent amount of time is the only decent one - rogue one.

 

[jt04]

Last attempt. I know it is. But they feel they HAVE to have Star Wars at that time, while they feel they can put Marvel movies at other times and they will do as well (or completely obliterate) expectations/records. If Star Wars was the "Crown Jewel" they could put it at any time and blow out records. If your theory is correct (which again, I don't believe for a second. They don't call a hiatus as 3-4 months longer than normal), then it would mean they are only going 3 years out because they don't think they can do big numbers with Star Wars at any other time.

I know the data you are referring to. The only head to head you can really compare at this point is the weekend. Endgame has school days, Force did not. Endgame catching Force relies on this weekend and if they makeup some of the weekday numbers.

Not that it really matters. I think it's funny you are comparing Episode 7 with Endgame. Star Wars in 2015 is vastly different than Star Wars in 2019. It's interesting you don't compare Last Jedi, or Solo to any of the Marvel films.

I understand your point of view 100%. It is common since Solo. Some of it I agree with. Disney has acknowledged some mistakes and are slowing the pace to correct them. Your subjective opinion is the franchise is floundering. My opinion is they are making the necessary fixes and the franchise will be fine for decades more.

Only time will prove who is correct.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I understand your point of view 100%. It is common since Solo. Some of it I agree with. Disney has acknowledged some mistakes and are slowing the pace to correct them. Your subjective opinion is the franchise is floundering. My opinion is they are making the necessary fixes and the franchise will be fine for decades more.

Only time will prove who is correct.

Well at least now we are getting somewhere...

What fixes?

 

[jt04]

Well at least now we are getting somewhere...

What fixes?

The necessary ones. Unfortunately I wasn't invited to any of the meetings.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Done with yearly Star Wars? Yes. For now.

Done with theatrical releases of one-shot anthology movies? Yes. For now. (See: Disney+)

Done with the Skywalker saga? Yes. For now.

Done with new Star Wars movie released theatrically? No. Never was that said. The title of the thread is the real lie.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The necessary ones. Unfortunately I wasn't invited to any of the meetings.

. Obviously not

Done with yearly Star Wars? Yes. For now.

Done with theatrical releases of one-shot anthology movies? Yes. For now. (See: Disney+)

Done with the Skywalker saga? Yes. For now.

Done with new Star Wars movie released theatrically? No. Never was that said. The title of the thread is the real lie.

Ahhh...my charted amigo has arrived...

I concede your synopsis...and agree they are far from “done” with Star Wars...

But they need to take other steps to turn this ship around:

1. Fire Kennedy (a must...can’t continue as she’s over her head)

2. Publicly fire Johnson...that is absolutely a must from a PR standpoint

3. Distance themselves from abrams (as both a rebooter who bowed to Harrison ford AND a producer that signed off on the 8 story)

4. Get a creative head to coordinate all and determine production, directors, strategic planning.

Kennedy has failed abysmally there. Star was is an afterthought in Disney current portfolio and that’s on her.


Just a couple little details and we can get the shi turned around.

 

[MisterPenguin]

. Obviously not


Ahhh...my charted amigo has arrived...

I concede your synopsis...and agree they are far from “done” with Star Wars...

But they need to take other steps to turn this ship around:

1. Fire Kennedy (a must...can’t continue as she’s over her head)

2. Publicly fire Johnson...that is absolutely a must from a PR standpoint

3. Distance themselves from abrams (as both a rebooter who bowed to Harrison ford AND a producer that signed off on the 8 story)

4. Get a creative head to coordinate all and determine production, directors, strategic planning.

Kennedy has failed abysmally there. Star was is an afterthought in Disney current portfolio and that’s on her.


Just a couple little details and we can get the shi turned around.

A numbered list is a chart.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

A numbered list is a chart.

I love a good chart

 

[erasure fan1]

But they need to take other steps to turn this ship around:

1. Fire Kennedy (a must...can’t continue as she’s over her head)

2. Publicly fire Johnson...that is absolutely a must from a PR standpoint

3. Distance themselves from abrams (as both a rebooter who bowed to Harrison ford AND a producer that signed off on the 8 story)

4. Get a creative head to coordinate all and determine production, directors, strategic planning.

Agreed on 1, 2 and 4 100%. They just need to cut bait with Kennedy and Johnson. And if they can't find someone to be the creative, they will continue to struggle. As for JJ, I don't think he had anything to do with last jedi. Yea he has a producer credit, but you can tell by things he has said and how the film went he had no input. It doesn't seem to me that the majority of the fans have a real problem with him.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Agreed on 1, 2 and 4 100%. They just need to cut bait with Kennedy and Johnson. And if they can't find someone to be the creative, they will continue to struggle. As for JJ, I don't think he had anything to do with last jedi. Yea he has a producer credit, but you can tell by things he has said and how the film went he had no input. It doesn't seem to me that the majority of the fans have a real problem with him.

He would have had to have approved the script for last Jedi...he probably wasn’t intimately involved in production...but he seems to have played dumb after.

I do think there’s no way Disney allows Johnson near another movie...they’re just waiting till after 9 to say it.

Kennedy will be replaced too...my hunch.

 

[LSLS]

He would have had to have approved the script for last Jedi...he probably wasn’t intimately involved in production...but he seems to have played dumb after.

I do think there’s no way Disney allows Johnson near another movie...they’re just waiting till after 9 to say it.

Kennedy will be replaced too...my hunch.

I like your hunches. I for one dont even hate Johnson. I like he was trying something, and I think if there was someone running the whole thing correctly that movie could have been great. I think it really needed some higher ups to really bounce ideas off of that knew how to put a trilogy together (also wasnt adding a ton more finn forced on him by higher ips, hence the casino garbage?) That said, I do believe he is too toxic in star wars fandom to do anymore.

 

[xdan0920]

He would have had to have approved the script for last Jedi...he probably wasn’t intimately involved in production...but he seems to have played dumb after.

Why do you think he had script approval? I can't imagine any scenario where he approved that flaming turd of a movie.

FWIW, you are being way to hard on JJ. Most Star Wars fans I know, if they didn't love TFA, then they at least liked it, and loved Rey and BB-8 and Finn and the set pieces, and on and on. The guy took an impossible job, and IMO did better then anyone else stood a chance of doing.

I am so glad he came back for 9, and I am hoping he can at least undo a portion of the damage Johnson did.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Why do you think he had script approval? I can't imagine any scenario where he approved that flaming turd of a movie.

FWIW, you are being way to hard on JJ. Most Star Wars fans I know, if they didn't love TFA, then they at least liked it, and loved Rey and BB-8 and Finn and the set pieces, and on and on. The guy took an impossible job, and IMO did better then anyone else stood a chance of doing.

I am so glad he came back for 9, and I am hoping he can at least undo a portion of the damage Johnson did.

Because abrams/bad robot are main producers of all 3 movies...he’s not “marginally” involved.

I do think he got screwed in many ways. But at least part is his fault.

I think he trusted Kennedy - who’s terrible and now you know why she was Spielberg’s lapdog for 30 years - and he got burned a bit by what they actually shot.

There was this creepy mommy/man-boy love between Kennedy and Johnson that has creeped me out before that turd was released. And she obviously pushed for the 3 picture deal announcement that looks so terrible now. She proved to me she has no idea what a good film actually looks like...she just has just pushed freight on them for years for Marshall and Stevie

Make no mistake though....abrams is overrated. He’s covered by a bloated box office number.

He and kasdan were forced to write a
Bland reboot movie that bowed to fords 30 year grudge about a payday - obviously forced by Kennedy via Steven (my theory) - and it’s a pretty hollow movie now. Starkiller base...that is awful. He also used fisher and she simply wasn’t up for it...that turned out to be a huge mistake.
And ignored skywalker - who absolutely was the heart and soul of the whole franchise.


I was hoping for a course correction as much as anyone...obviously saw the first showing...
And so badly WANTED to love it I concentrated on the aesthetics and tone to convince myself I did love it.

But it didn’t hold long...Star Wars is about characters and other than driver, neither abrams or that idiot Johnson has sold it.
One of the greatest mysteries of life will always be how neither Lucas or Disney can understand why Star Wars worked and how to build off it...they are both clueless in so many respects.

For god’s sakes...they had Benicio del toro playing the same character he always plays and Laura dern standing around doing nothing...
And now we have felicity and billy dee Williams off the shelf??

That shouldn’t be needed...and it’s unwanted. That’s an indictment of blatant character failure.

 

[erasure fan1]

Because abrams/bad robot are main producers of all 3 movies...he’s not “marginally” involved

I don't think he had as much to do with 8 as you think. Bad robot was not involved in 8 at all and JJ was a producer in name only.

I do think he got screwed in many ways. But at least part is his fault.

Yes he does have some fault. He decided to not have Luke in the film. But it was Kennedy who approved the subverting of expectations nonsense we got in 8. Yea JJ said I wish I was directing that script. But he's not going to say anything different. JJs biggest mistake, was not fighting/wanting to do the entire trilogy. I still think TFA had promise and if JJ had done 8 it would be a different conversation now.

One of the greatest mysteries of life will always be how neither Lucas or Disney can understand why Star Wars worked and how to build off it...they are both clueless in so many respects

The biggest mystery to me is how Lucas thought Kennedy was the hands down perfect person for the job. Lucas was a creative, something Kennedy has never been and never will be.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The biggest mystery to me is how Lucas thought Kennedy was the hands down perfect person for the job. Lucas was a creative, something Kennedy has never been and never will be.

1. It served Disney’s purpose...which is a PR game. Exactly the mistake they didn’t make with Feige at marvel.
2. Who is George’s lifelong golfing buddy again? There’s your answer.

It checks 2 things off the punch list. But not the third; important one: imagination

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Remember @erasure fan1 ...abrams is NOT a strong finisher...

What else do you call a guy that has an unending string of pilots, reboots, and sequels to his name? All early/middle chapters as it turns out.

But I think he could have done ok - If - Moron hadn’t gone “game of thrones” and killed everyone for 10 seconds of shock value.

The more you see mark hamill talk/speak...the more it boils up that he loathes being involved with this at all.

But what choice did he have? The character defined his life.

 

[Mike S]

Agreed on 1, 2 and 4 100%. They just need to cut bait with Kennedy and Johnson. And if they can't find someone to be the creative, they will continue to struggle. As for JJ, I don't think he had anything to do with last jedi. Yea he has a producer credit, but you can tell by things he has said and how the film went he had no input. It doesn't seem to me that the majority of the fans have a real problem with him.

Dave Filoni.

 

[erasure fan1]

Remember @erasure fan1 ...abrams is NOT a strong finisher...

What else do you call a guy that has an unending string of pilots, reboots, and sequels to his name? All early/middle chapters as it turns out.

But I think he could have done ok - If - Moron hadn’t gone “game of thrones” and killed everyone for 10 seconds of shock value.

The more you see mark hamill talk/speak...the more it boils up that he loathes being involved with this at all.

But what choice did he have? The character defined his life.

Is he not a strong finisher, or does he just not finish? I know he gets labeled as not a finisher but I can't think of any final thing he worked on. Lol
So for me I have a hard time saying he can't finish, yet. My judgment will be held with how ep9 is handled.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Same here. I hope @Sirwalterraleigh , @LSLS , @Mike S find this thread to help out in case some of the "Blindly Love Everything Star Wars" defenders we've gradually evicted from the other thread find their way over here. This series had its final nail put into the coffin back in 2017.

I'm surprised this forum allows this kind of toxic behaviour - encouraging the act of running people off because they don't share an opinion.