Miss Bella
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How many posters on here live in Orlando? Orange County has a mask mandate and so do all airlines.
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Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?
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Dizneykid
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There is no evidence that going to a theme park with masks and all of these absurdly thorough measures are infecting people nevermind killing people. In fact, most science tells us that a mostly outdoor theme park would not be considered high risk in their criteria. There is also no evidence that this virus is going to disappear if we all commit to living in a bubble for months on end. People suffer immensely in lock down. Disney found a way to do this and it's voluntary. Your (general) choices don't end if someone out there wants to try to enjoy an amusement park. I have been going to the beach every week and it looks like a lot of people feel the same. It cured so much of my severe isolation and depression. I'm not selfish for going to the ocean to enjoy my time. We'd be here all day arguing about what is essential to someone. We don't get to define that for each other.
Miss Bella
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I've been at home all week doing mandatory annual training education. My hats off to all the people that can work from home. I couldn't do it. I need human interaction and socialization.
Disstevefan1
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October82
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I really don't get why anyone would point to Sweden's choices -- Sweden has been a total disaster. 10 times worse than their border countries. Their mortality rate will soon surpass countries that were hit hard and early.
Sweden is 1 of the few countries that have actually handled Coronavirus nearly as badly as the USA.
Grim coronavirus death toll projected in Sweden after lax approach to pandemic
In the worst scenario, where COVID-19 was expected to follow a traditional pandemic trajectory, over 4,400 more deaths related to the virus could follow.www.cbsnews.com
Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don't do what we did. It's not working.
Sweden's approach to COVID has led to death, grief and suffering. The only example we're setting is how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease.www.usatoday.com
And the economic impacts have been just as severe.
Thank goodness! Glad we have confirmation that the labs are evil and can’t be trusted and want to scare us for no reason. We can definitely extrapolate the data and assume that no one actually has Covid-19 and all the hospitalitizations and deaths are a complete lie. Glad we’re all alive and thriving and have nothing to worry about!
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October82
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Not really. When you're performing tens of thousands of tests, errors happen. This does not mean that people's test results are being fabricated, it means there is a problem with follow up contact tracing, where specimens are being labelled with the wrong person's contact info. Yes, this is a problem, but it is not a systematic one.
If only it was deemed safe enough to fly into Orlando for international airlines. And I’m being serious.
disneygeek90
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The wearing of masks pretty much anywhere that isn't Universal or Disney in the county is less than great. You wouldn't even know there was a "mandate."
Dizneykid
Active Member
I don't want to believe this could be true but I have been hearing an awful lot about it lately. I have read over 10 comments (including one or two here) about it happening at CVS
DisneyCane
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The issue is that it is likely that somebody who actually was positive didn't get a result or got a negative result. I know you were being sarcastic but that article doesn't suggest anything like what you wrote.
JohnD
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300 labs in FL with 100% positive. Yeah "errors happen."
October82
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Why does it matter? Because none of the measures that have been taken are 100%. They lower your probability of being infected, but if you still have a large number of chances for infection, those methods will fail over the long term. With perfect mask compliance and people using masks correctly, the total number of new infections will be lower. But in reality, people mostly use masks incorrectly, some don't use them at all, etc. In the end, it is a question of driving the total number of cases down to a manageable level. By opening tourist destinations, encouraging more people to fly, etc. we're simply increasing the number of opportunities for infection.
The question isn't "does reopening tourist attractions increase cases?", it is, "do the benefits of doing so outweigh the costs?"
Masks do work. They do not work perfectly. That doesn't mean there aren't costs with any new large gatherings of people. Yes, theme parks themselves are probably relatively low risk for any individual person.
October82
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So this is a different issue from the one mentioned a few posts ago, but there's so much misunderstanding about what this actually means, when yes, it also means "mistakes happen".
If you were talking about your regional Six Flags, then your statement "a mostly outdoor theme park would not be considered high risk" would be a bit more applicable, but it's not. Many queues are indoors. All have railings. Gift shops, restaurants, etc. There are still hundreds of surfaces people can touch where a virus can and does live. CM's cannot clean them often enough to catch/kill everything. A person who is not wearing a mask means they are spreading whatever germs they have onto those surfaces and thus spreading the disease. It's not coincidental that many people get sick while at WDW long before COVID came into our lives, but a stomach bug lasting a few days doesn't generate the buzz, or the body count.
October82
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The snark isn't necessary. We can go through each of these things in detail - explaining what aspects are false - but at the end of the day, no, there is no systemic underlying problem in the way testing is being conducted. It is, IMO, deeply saddening to see how social media amplifies false and misleading information to such an extent that we no longer trust the medical and public health communities to be acting with integrity.
The systemic underlying problem in testing is much simpler. There are not enough tests and people aren't tested enough. The case and death counts are under counts, not over counts.
oceanbreeze77
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Just remember.....it was deemed unsafe to open Disneyland
Miss Bella
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Labeling a specimen with the wrong person's name would be a really big problem.
October82
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Oh, absolutely. For the patient in question. It raises a whole host of privacy and medical ethics concerns.
But the implication here is that people are having test results fabricated, when even the linked story indicates that clearly isn't the case.
kong1802
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And what is the statistical impact of those 300 labs?
Again, nice headline, but the details are a little less sensational.......