Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[Club Cooloholic]

Are you going to the Grand Canyon?

Sedona, Grand Canyon(scored the Thunderbird, and was at Kachina before which I loved) and a pretty much self contained resort in Scottsdale. ..was the plan. But again we really are thinking this out. We used airline miles to book which we can get back so we aren't out anything to cancel, though the kids were psyched because we were flying first class there(coach back) and they know that probably won't ever be the case again lol,(was relatively cheap to do).
But we have a travel trailer and might just do that for a few days and also stay at a decent resort that is drivable from our home.

I have traveled on many flights over the past few months, if you stick with the major airlines, compliance is 100%, plus cabin air is filtered at pretty much hospital levels every few minutes.

Also i don't think anyone here is claiming to do any different, with regards to wearing masks, washing hands.

This is encouraging, I will for sure share with my wife this info.

 

[legwand77]

Good was in quotations because you are selecting data that is actually totally out of context and high to begin with. Those case counts for example are extremely high per capita.

Elective proceedures and admissions have again been delayed. It is of course good that total hospitalizations are under control though due to capacity stop gaps. But that does not make the entire situation good. COVID admissions are actively still preventing access to care.

The problem is they oversimplified this to the public like only one or two things matter. I want every single metric to be low AND stable or declining.

Low case numbers, low prevalence, low community transmission, low hospitalizations, low deaths. High number of testing. Solid contact tracing. High participation and buy in by the public and officials. All under high resumption of economic activity, critical infrastructure (school, health care) and reasonable public mobility without tanking those other metrics.

If you can demonstrate that a location is doing that - yes I will celebrate gladly. There are of course many great examples now outside the US.

Deaths have unnecessarily increased. There is nothing to celebrate when they peak. There is nothing to celebrate when they rise. There is almost nothing to really celebrate when they decline. Only when they stop.

Sure I agree with most all of that, other than I doubt we will ever get to zero deaths, wish we could,but not realistic compared to every other corona virus.

All I was sharing is that it is good news that hospitalizations and emergency rooms were flattening and declining and that data point is good news

I have never said the situation is great it Arizona or anywhere, no matter how much others try to say that. I have repeatedly said that.

When I post a good news data point, some posters immediately go nuts and start accusing me of spin and even outright lying. Or having some agenda, (what type they never said). It amazes me how posting the hospitalizations leveling off in one state is not good news. Of course things are bad, we are in a pandemic, hospitals are stressed in certain areas of the country, that is very bad news, never have I once denied that. This thread and others constantly and rabidly share the bad news, out of context single data points in most cases, but also overall trends etc. and that is fine and should be done, but any slight good news, immediately get jumped on as spin and even been called as a liar. Some have even said I plagiarized my opinion, however that would happen.

 

[havoc315]

You can choose to view however you want, but here are the facts from Arizona today. All from the state dashboard.


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Covid like ER admissions, might not be flat

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Overall hospitalizations, pretty flat for the past three weeks

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Graphs are roughly the same for TX as well.

Yes — Arizona is indeed flattening, at a very high level. Premature to say Texas or Florida are flattening. Georgia and other places are rising.

So not sure if your point?
Arizona went through some massive increases. Then put in more restrictions, and curve flattened. Still not nearly enough.

So the logic is Florida needs more restrictions?

 

[legwand77]

Yes — Arizona is indeed flattening, at a very high level. Premature to say Texas or Florida are flattening. Georgia and other places are rising.

So not sure if your point?
Arizona went through some massive increases. Then put in more restrictions, and curve flattened. Still not nearly enough.

So the logic is Florida needs more restrictions?

Exactly, pretty much what I said. and all my point was/is we might be seeing the beginning of the flattening of the curve, as Arizona has started to see. That is all, nothing more nothing less.

No denying Arizona is high and went through increases, very obvious, and hospitals stressed. said that in my post "especially Arizona (hospitals were even more stressed there)"

my post from earlier

We might be seeing the “flattening of the curve“ in effect, from when Florida opened, especially in South Florida. Hospitals in some areas are stressed without a doubt but are still being able to handle it and not be overwehlmed. Other states that are about a week ahead or so like Texas and especially Arizona (hospitals were even more stressed there) are already seeing the flattening and some decline. Hope that is the case for Florida and there is not any strong indicators why it wouldn’t. Covid like illnesses admissions are already dropping statewide in Florida.

 

[disdonald]

People shouldn't be traveling right now. There is a reason some states are putting in quarantine rules. Its to make people not travel. I look at where I live and they really want people to just travel within their own province.

Just wait until that little one in your picture grows up and is all by itself 1200 miles away, working from home and just moved there recently for their job. Your opinion may change a little about traveling to see your son/daughter to make sure they are ok. We did it recently and Frontier was very strict as well as everywhere else we went. Just saying that there may be reasons to travel and I would not dismiss travel the way you stated it.

 

[Captain Neo]

It isn't even about "travel shaming" wth that is. Why would you A) give your hard earned dough to the modern walt disney company when the parks are a former shell of what they were 20 years ago and B) why would you go now when a good chunk of rides, shows and attractions are closed, there is minimal maintenance going on so you see lots of broken effects, and half the amenities have been taken away. Plus all the rules and resarvation systems sounds as nightmarish as dealing with the TSA at a crowded airport.

Until Disney gets back to core values and restores the parks to their former glory just stop going.

 

[Miss Bella]

Sedona, Grand Canyon(scored the Thunderbird, and was at Kachina before which I loved) and a pretty much self contained resort in Scottsdale. ..was the plan. But again we really are thinking this out. We used airline miles to book which we can get back so we aren't out anything to cancel, though the kids were psyched because we were flying first class there(coach back) and they know that probably won't ever be the case again lol,(was relatively cheap to do).
But we have a travel trailer and might just do that for a few days and also stay at a decent resort that is drivable from our home.

This is encouraging, I will for sure share with my wife this info.

None of the places you’re going are very populated.

 

[Miss Bella]

It isn't even about "travel shaming" wth that is. Why would you A) give your hard earned dough to the modern walt disney company when the parks are a former shell of what they were 20 years ago and B) why would you go now when a good chunk of rides, shows and attractions are closed, there is minimal maintenance going on so you see lots of broken effects, and half the amenities have been taken away. Plus all the rules and resarvation systems sounds as nightmarish as dealing with the TSA at a crowded airport.

Until Disney gets back to core values and restores the parks to their former glory just stop going.

No fast pass plus, no crowds, no lines. It may be the best trip ever.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

None of the places you’re going are very populated.

I wish I could agree, but there will be a decent amount of people at GCNP and Sedona on the trails and Oak creek usually have crowds. Ironically the most populated place, Scottsdale, is maybe the safest given we can pretty much stay at the resort and they have capacity limits.

 

[Heppenheimer]

the new spin has arrived.

Call it the "magical spinning, moving goalposts".

 

[Miss Bella]

Sure I agree with most all of that, other than I doubt we will ever get to zero deaths, wish we could,but not realistic compared to every other corona virus.

All I was sharing is that it is good news that hospitalizations and emergency rooms were flattening and declining and that data point is good news

I have never said the situation is great it Arizona or anywhere, no matter how much others try to say that. I have repeatedly said that.

When I post a good news data point, some posters immediately go nuts and start accusing me of spin and even outright lying. Or having some agenda, (what type they never said). It amazes me how posting the hospitalizations leveling off in one state is not good news. Of course things are bad, we are in a pandemic, hospitals are stressed in certain areas of the country, that is very bad news, never have I once denied that. This thread and others constantly and rabidly share the bad news, out of context single data points in most cases, but also overall trends etc. and that is fine and should be done, but any slight good news, immediately get jumped on as spin and even been called as a liar. Some have even said I plagiarized my opinion, however that would happen.

Good news does not fit their narrative. You should know that by now. As far as Arizona it’s not getting worse and we’ve been stable with our capacity over the last week. Actually it’s improved a little. They closed bars and required masks but other than that nothings really changed as far as pulling back.

 

[legwand77]

None of the places you’re going are very populated.

I was in Monument Valley when the Navajo Nation shut down in March, talk about physical distancing and wanted to stay but being non native was not an option. Ended up hunkering down in Sedona for a while, can't complain.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

No fast pass plus, no crowds, no lines. It may be the best trip ever.

Disney is more to me then saying” I got to go on space mountain 5 times in a row with no wait”. This isn’t really directed at you, I hope you have a wonderful time. But to me with so much missing, no thank you. From some of the reports The positives are getting to ride things more and that’s about it. Great for kids and adults who just want to ride everything. I like getting wrapped in the experience.. things Disney does so well, making it feel like I’m somewhere special and not the local Six Flags. Now add in the masks, social distancing and everything else, which I agree should be going on, doesn’t sound that magical. Buts that’s me and in no way does everyone feel like that.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Yes — Arizona is indeed flattening, at a very high level. Premature to say Texas or Florida are flattening. Georgia and other places are rising.

So not sure if your point?
Arizona went through some massive increases. Then put in more restrictions, and curve flattened. Still not nearly enough.

So the logic is Florida needs more restrictions?

I’ll answer that for you since they didn’t. Yes, Florida needs more restrictions.

 

[Miss Bella]

Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

Why are people saying they “don’t like wearing masks”? It’s so backwards. Obviously no one likes it but we’re in the middle of a pandemic and it’s necessary. Because most people aren’t willing to accept they are selfish.

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I’m not sure why you took a screen shot of my post to another member that happens to be going the same week. What was the purpose of that.

 

[legwand77]

Good news does not fit their narrative. You should know that by now. As far as Arizona it’s not getting worse and we’ve been stable with our capacity over the last week. Actually it’s improved a little. They closed bars and required masks but other than that nothings really changed as far as pulling back.

Yeah I know that by now, and have for months, but figure it would be good to post any good news if possible on a Disney board. Alas. Hoping that continues in Arizona, the serology results of over the past week in Arizona look promising

 

[Parker in NYC]

I’m not sure why you took a screen shot of my post to another member that happens to be going the same week. What was the purpose of that.

Because it reminded me of a post I made in this same thread a few weeks ago.

 

[schuelma]

Exactly, pretty much what I said. and all my point was/is we might be seeing the beginning of the flattening of the curve, as Arizona has started to see. That is all, nothing more nothing less.

No denying Arizona is high and went through increases, very obvious, and hospitals stressed. said that in my post "especially Arizona (hospitals were even more stressed there)"

my post from earlier

We might be seeing the “flattening of the curve“ in effect, from when Florida opened, especially in South Florida. Hospitals in some areas are stressed without a doubt but are still being able to handle it and not be overwehlmed. Other states that are about a week ahead or so like Texas and especially Arizona (hospitals were even more stressed there) are already seeing the flattening and some decline. Hope that is the case for Florida and there is not any strong indicators why it wouldn’t. Covid like illnesses admissions are already dropping statewide in Florida.

Arizona positivity rate was 30 percent today!!!

That's a raging, out of control community spread.

This is the hill you want to (temporatily) die on?

 

[JoeCamel]

Arizona positivity rate was 30 percent today!!!

That's a raging, out of control community spread.

This is the hill you want to (temporatily) die on?

That poster is dedicated. Been going on for 20 pages now.

 

[Sparksfly]

Theres talk building of a possible new strand that is not showing as a positive in the current COVID tests. If this is true...all of these metrics are inaccurate until we incorporate this new strand into our COVID tests.