Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

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legwand77

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schuelma said:
Arizona positivity rate was 30 percent today!!!

That's a raging, out of control community spread.

This is the hill you want to (temporatily) die on?
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Honestly don't know what you are getting at.

All I said was it is some good news that hospitalizations in Arizona have begun to flatten if not decreased. How is that a problem? To answer your question, yes sure I will die on the hill that the Arizona DOH stats report that in the past week or so Covid hospitalizations have been flat and somewhat slightly decreasing. Still not sure that why that is something to die on a hill for, as it is fact.
 
schuelma

schuelma

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legwand77 said:
Honestly don't know what you are getting at.

All I said was it is some good news that hospitalizations in Arizona have begun to flatten if not decreased. How is that a problem? To answer your question, yes sure I will die on the hill that the Arizona DOH stats report that in the past week or so Covid hospitalizations have been flat and somewhat slightly decreasing. Still not sure that why that is something to die on a hill for, as it is fact.
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A 30% positivity simple does not equal any sort of "flattening", which is what you hypothesized.

Period.

End of story.
 
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legwand77

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schuelma said:
A 30% positivity simple does not equal any sort of "flattening", which is what you hypothesized.

Period.

End of story.
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Again

That is not the story that I am saying or have ever said. Never once have I said positivity or even hypothesized that is equal to flattening. You are the only one that brought positivity up.
 
schuelma

schuelma

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legwand77 said:
Again

That is not the story that I am saying or have ever said. Never once have I said positivity or even hypothesized that is equal to flattening. You are the only one that brought positivity up.
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"Exactly, pretty much what I said. and all my point was/is we might be seeing the beginning of the flattening of the curve, as Arizona has started to see. That is all, nothing more nothing less. "

You are using one data point to argue that Arizona might be flattening.

Its not
 
Chef Mickey

Chef Mickey

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schuelma said:
A 30% positivity simple does not equal any sort of "flattening", which is what you hypothesized.

Period.

End of story.
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Depends on the total numbers we are talking about. Percentages mean almost nothing without raw data and analysis.

Way too much misrepresentation of numbers, starting with comparing numbers from other countries who don’t test as much, test differently, don’t test, or flat out lie and/or don’t report real numbers.
 
Chef Mickey

Chef Mickey

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Captain Neo said:
no crowds true but also a far inferior experience. Pretty big tradeoff unless you literally just go to WDW to move around in a ride vehicle through an air conditioned warehouse for 3-5 minutes.
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Rise of the Resistance is a hell of a lot more than just moving around in a ride vehicle.

I’m not sure you can at argue the experience is that inferior with the many positives considered. It’s freaking unbelievable. I’m here right now and it’s the best trip ever.

I miss some shows and a few restaurants, but this is incredible and will likely never happen again in decades.
 
schuelma

schuelma

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Chef Mickey said:
Depends on the total numbers we are talking about. Percentages mean almost nothing without raw data and analysis.

Way too much misrepresentation of numbers, starting with comparing numbers from other countries who don’t test as much, test differently, don’t test, or flat out lie and/or don’t report real numbers.
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What does this even mean? Obviously nothing is 100% perfect, but positivity rate is absolutely amongst the top stats to look at where states/countries are at.
 
Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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legwand77 said:
Honestly don't know what you are getting at.

All I said was it is some good news that hospitalizations in Arizona have begun to flatten if not decreased. How is that a problem? To answer your question, yes sure I will die on the hill that the Arizona DOH stats report that in the past week or so Covid hospitalizations have been flat and somewhat slightly decreasing. Still not sure that why that is something to die on a hill for, as it is fact.
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Anywhere from 2000 to 4000 test positive everyday and only about 5% end up in the hospital. Positivity rate may be high but I’m not sure why that matters. There is a lot of community spread in certain communities that have a lot of multi generational families living together. The Navajo nation has also been hit pretty hard.
Like you I only care about hospital capacity. The original plan was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed, but the goal posts keep moving.
 
Chef Mickey

Chef Mickey

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BrianLo said:
Good was in quotations because you are selecting data that is actually totally out of context and high to begin with. Those case counts for example are extremely high per capita.

Elective proceedures and admissions have again been delayed. It is of course good that total hospitalizations are under control though due to capacity stop gaps. But that does not make the entire situation good. COVID admissions are actively still preventing access to care.

The problem is they oversimplified this to the public like only one or two things matter. I want every single metric to be low AND stable or declining.

Low case numbers, low prevalence, low community transmission, low hospitalizations, low deaths. High number of testing. Solid contact tracing. High participation and buy in by the public and officials. All under high resumption of economic activity, critical infrastructure (school, health care) and reasonable public mobility without tanking those other metrics.

If you can demonstrate that a location is doing that - yes I will celebrate gladly. There are of course many great examples now outside the US.

Deaths have unnecessarily increased. There is nothing to celebrate when they peak. There is nothing to celebrate when they rise. There is almost nothing to really celebrate when they decline. Only when they stop.
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You’ve gotta he realistic though. Stopping deaths from viruses ain’t happening and never was the case.

Freaking COVID-19 isn’t the first or last virus that will kill people and will likely be around just like the flu. It will probably stop killing and infecting at this rate in the coming years, but it’s something we add to things that kill humans.

Acting like this is the biggest threat to humanity proves you watch too much news. Obesity and smoking are far more dangerous. Hell, the flu is more dangerous if you want to talk about total number killed. Killed tens of thousands every year with a vaccine and treatment.

Relax, we will get through this but nothing is going to zero and we aren’t going to hide away until it does. Life goes on and thankfully, people are starting to see that. Precautions and move on. Scared, option to stay home. People have to work and live life. We’ve done it with plenty of dangers in the world.
 
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Chef Mickey

Chef Mickey

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schuelma said:
What does this even mean? Obviously nothing is 100% perfect, but positivity rate is absolutely amongst the top stats to look at where states/countries are at.
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Why do I care about positivity rates if, for example, every positive person is asymptomatic or there are 10 tests and 3 are positive? I don’t even know what numbers you are quoting but both examples would make a difference in my freak out rate.
 
Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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Chef Mickey said:
Rise of the Resistance is a hell of a lot more than just moving around in a ride vehicle.

I’m not sure you can at argue the experience is that inferior with the many positives considered. It’s freaking unbelievable. I’m here right now and it’s the best trip ever.

I miss some shows and a few restaurants, but this is incredible and will likely never happen again in decades.
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I’m happy to hear that. I’m traveling with a 16 year old boy that only cares about the rides and food. If he gets to ride Avatar more than twice it will be the best trip ever for him.


I get that it’s not for everybody, My husband does not want to go and wear a mask all day in the heat. This September he and my older kid are taking a road trip to Mount Rushmore and Yellowstone instead.
 
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robhedin

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Chef Mickey said:
Rise of the Resistance is a hell of a lot more than just moving around in a ride vehicle.

I’m not sure you can at argue the experience is that inferior with the many positives considered. It’s freaking unbelievable. I’m here right now and it’s the best trip ever.

I miss some shows and a few restaurants, but this is incredible and will likely never happen again in decades.
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Have to agree here for the most part--

We just spent a week here in Orlando - went to Disney Springs, City Walk (even took in a couple of movies), Magic Kingdom, Disney Studios, Epcot, Universal Studios, Islands of Adventure and watched the Seaworld fireworks from our hotel balcony. Even with the restrictions, we had the best time we've had in a long time (read 10-20 years) at Magic Kingdom, Universal Studios, and Disney Studios. The only thing "packed" at Islands of Adventure was the Harry Potter area, but the Universal side was mostly empty. Most of our wait times were under 15 minutes, and usually was a walk on (5 min or less) - including Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway, Peter Pan, Space Mountain, Escape from Gringotts, etc. The only time we had to really wait was for Rise of the Resistance. Really enjoyed the cavalcades of characters and hope they keep those. Did miss the Magic Kingdom Fireworks to close the day. The masks weren't an issue except at Islands of Adventure (which was sweltering that day). The only park I wasn't as happy with was Epcot.
 
Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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robhedin said:
Have to agree here for the most part--

We just spent a week here in Orlando - went to Disney Springs, City Walk (even took in a couple of movies), Magic Kingdom, Disney Studios, Epcot, Universal Studios, Islands of Adventure and watched the Seaworld fireworks from our hotel balcony. Even with the restrictions, we had the best time we've had in a long time (read 10-20 years) at Magic Kingdom, Universal Studios, and Disney Studios. The only thing "packed" at Islands of Adventure was the Harry Potter area, but the Universal side was mostly empty. Most of our wait times were under 15 minutes, and usually was a walk on (5 min or less) - including Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway, Peter Pan, Space Mountain, Escape from Gringotts, etc. The only time we had to really wait was for Rise of the Resistance. Really enjoyed the cavalcades of characters and hope they keep those. Did miss the Magic Kingdom Fireworks to close the day. The masks weren't an issue except at Islands of Adventure (which was sweltering that day). The only park I wasn't as happy with was Epcot.
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Are you saying I won’t need express passes at Universal? I booked Royal Pacific, but I could save some money by switching to one of their moderate resorts.

I’ve haven’t ridden the Fantasyland rides since Fast pass plus because the wait times are always ridiculous. Im Looking forward to hoping on those again.
 
schuelma

schuelma

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Chef Mickey said:
Why do I care about positivity rates if, for example, every positive person is asymptomatic or there are 10 tests and 3 are positive? I don’t even know what numbers you are quoting but both examples would make a difference in my freak out rate.
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It means the virus is spreading, which means more people get the virus, which means more people spread it to other people, which means more people go to the hospital, and which means more people die.


2 weeks ago the US had its lowest week for death since the pandemic started in earnest- approximately 3,600.

Want to guess what this week looks like?
 
Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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schuelma said:
It means the virus is spreading, which means more people get the virus, which means more people spread it to other people, which means more people go to the hospital, and which means more people die.


2 weeks ago the US had its lowest week for death since the pandemic started in earnest- approximately 3,600.

Want to guess what this week looks like?
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What does this week look like?
 

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