Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[DisneyCane]

I just read in our paper that 4 people died and 29 people hospitalized for drinking hand sanitizer with methanol. I guess 33 people were hospitalized last year for drinking hand sanitizer. I honestly never knew this was a thing. Who knows someday will have to sign a waiver to buy hand sanitizer in this state like we do to buy glue.

Not that it isn't stupid to do but where on earth do you find methanol based hand sanitizer? Methanol is highly toxic. I wouldn't want to make a consumer product designed to put on your skin with it.

 

[Miss Bella]

Not that it isn't stupid to do but where on earth do you find methanol based hand sanitizer? Methanol is highly toxic. I wouldn't want to make a consumer product designed to put on your skin with it.

It came from Mexico. According to the story the FDA put out a warning about in June. Seriously isn't alcohol cheaper than buying hand sanitizer these days?

 

[kong1802]

Ha, what is wrong by my "analysis" other than you don't like it and are not answering my questions

I’ve already explained.

No biggie, it wasn’t even your analysis to begin with.

 

[Lilofan]

Not that it isn't stupid to do but where on earth do you find methanol based hand sanitizer? Methanol is highly toxic. I wouldn't want to make a consumer product designed to put on your skin with it.

It's just as foolish to some that have covid parties.

 

[carolina_yankee]

I just read in our paper that 4 people died and 29 people hospitalized for drinking hand sanitizer with methanol. I guess 33 people were hospitalized last year for drinking hand sanitizer. I honestly never knew this was a thing. Who knows someday will have to sign a waiver to buy hand sanitizer in this state like we do to buy glue.

Pre-Pandemic, our local ER had a frequent flyer for whom, every time they got word police were bringing her in, they'd remove all hand sanitizer stations in the waiting room.

Sad, at so many levels. (We know this person and the addiction is indeed that strong.)

 

[legwand77]

Seriously? You’re the one that deflects from every direct question. I asked, and have yet to have answered, what you thought “poor management” of this situation in FL looked like.

Because that is a hypothetical ,rhetorical question. It is not interesting just people trying to be argumentative, no point in arguing hypotheticals like that on message boards. I will and have answered any factual questions and and clarified things that others try to misconstrue ala Kong , who is now trying to say I am plagiarizing things which is hilarious, since his point he was trying to make was a complete fail, but if it makes him feel better that is fine.

 

[legwand77]

Having visited AK and Springs today there is no reason to close from a safety perspective. Outside of your home, a nursing home or a hospital there is nowhere that spread will be less likely.

I didn't see a single person at either place not obey the mask requirement. Distancing was followed in all queues. People stayed spaced on the pathways (although I will say that was made easy with the very light crowd). People were using hand sanitizer all the time.

If there is any significant spread with all of the procedures and modifications in place at WDW then there isn't a single business that can operate safely.

Now, from a financial perspective this crowd level can't be sustainable. I'm pretty sure during one ride of dinosaur there were more CMs than guests in the building.

Also, a shout out to all the CMs. They were over the top friendly and were having fun interacting with the guests. Especially the photopass photographers.

My experience at the MK AP preview was the same, safer than any other place of business that I have been to the entire time of this pandemic. My concern like your mentioned is sustainability with the crowd size. It was a bit more crowded at MK than AK. AK is going to be the emptiest most likely because it is such a large park, Epcot the same but the had the F&W draw. Disney is going to have to up the capacity limits soon. Or perhaps they can maintain this crowd level cost wise just to have the park running, if they stayed closed for many more months the cost of maintainable to get back open would go up dramatically. Things stat to really fall apart, rides woul;d require complete overhauls etc.

Also like you said the CM’s were great and happy to be back, and were working very hard to welcome everyone “home’

You post makes made realize I need to head over to AK and EE and enjoy the light crowds.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Because that is a hypothetical ,rhetorical question. It is not interesting just people trying to be argumentative, no point in arguing hypotheticals like that on message boards. I will and have answered any factual questions and and clarified things that others try to misconstrue ala Kong , who is now trying to say I am plagiarizing things which is hilarious, since his point he was trying to make was a complete fail, but if it makes him feel better that is fine.

Yet again a non-answer and a deflect from a question that is asked of you. Ironic, considering that you're calling someone else out for not answering a question.

 

[legwand77]

Also the daily FDOH report, percentage positive stays flat for FL, most likely due to the heavy outbreak still in South Florida. The good news is the positivity in Orange County has dropped to 8.4% lowest it has been in weeks. Dropped over half from last week. The trend is looking good in Orlando.

 

[Communicora]

They could make WDW safer by getting rid of indoor dining. I realize it is hot, but indoors, no masks and AC circulating everything is not a great recipe with covid.

 

[WDWTrojan]

They could make WDW safer by getting rid of indoor dining. I realize it is hot, but indoors, no masks and AC circulating everything is not a great recipe with covid.

Yep this + CM break rooms are the two biggest weak links in their protocols.

 

[DisneyCane]

Also the daily FDOH report, percentage positive stays flat for FL, most likely due to the heavy outbreak still in South Florida. The good news is the positivity in Orange County has dropped to 8.4% lowest it has been in weeks. Dropped over half from last week. The trend is looking good in Orlando.

The trends seem to show that Florida is roughly returning to the way it was at the beginning of the pandemic. Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach (in order) being the biggest problems and the rest of the state doing relatively well. Currently all are at a "worse" level than before but it seems to be trending back to that scenario.

If this is the case, I don't see any reason to adjust WDW operations based on statewide data if the bad data is 200 miles away. Even now around 1/4 of the new daily cases are in Miami-Dade. Like I said above, the way the parks are operating, it is highly unlikely for people from the hot areas to spread it to others at WDW.

 

[legwand77]

We might be seeing the “flattening of the curve“ in effect, from when Florida opened, especially in South Florida. Hospitals in some areas are stressed without a doubt but are still being able to handle it and not be overwehlmed. Other states that are about a week ahead or so like Texas and especially Arizona (hospitals were even more stressed there) are already seeing the flattening and some decline. Hope that is the case for Florida and there is not any strong indicators why it wouldn’t. Covid like illnesses admissions are already dropping statewide in Florida.

 

[Touchdown]

Flat is the wrong term, flat assumes you had some measures in place to make the chart look like a plateau, the term you are looking for is peak. We will see if we’re there yet. We are officially 2 weeks past the 4th of July and the stupidity people did that weekend, let’s see if America wised up after that (thank goodness our next holiday is still a month out.)

 

[ABQ]

We might be seeing the “flattening of the curve“ in effect, from when Florida opened, especially in South Florida. Hospitals in some areas are stressed without a doubt but are still being able to handle it and not be overwehlmed. Other states that are about a week ahead or so like Texas and especially Arizona (hospitals were even more stressed there) are already seeing the flattening and some decline. Hope that is the case for Florida and there is not any strong indicators why it wouldn’t. Covid like illnesses admissions are already dropping statewide in Florida.

Hoping that holds true in Arizona. They seem to have posted their lowest hospitalization totals since July 4th today, and as a close family member is one of them, I'm especially aware of how they are handling things. We in NM are taking in cases from AZ to help keep them afloat, but they do seem to be showing at least some signs of slowing down.

 

[Miss Bella]

Hoping that holds true in Arizona. They seem to have posted their lowest hospitalization totals since July 4th today, and as a close family member is one of them, I'm especially aware of how they are handling things. We in NM are taking in cases from AZ to help keep them afloat, but they do seem to be showing at least some signs of slowing down.

We haven’t had an issue with bed capacity just a staff shortage, but It still wasn’t that bad. I have no idea what goes on the east side of AZ. Things do seem to be leveling off though.

 

[Miss Bella]

The Critical Points: Travel shaming is here — and it's a problem - The Points Guy

TPG's Richard Kerr talks about a new trend of travel shaming.

thepointsguy.com

Good article about travel shaming. It seemed applicable to what goes on here.

 

[schuelma]

We might be seeing the “flattening of the curve“ in effect, from when Florida opened, especially in South Florida. Hospitals in some areas are stressed without a doubt but are still being able to handle it and not be overwehlmed. Other states that are about a week ahead or so like Texas and especially Arizona (hospitals were even more stressed there) are already seeing the flattening and some decline. Hope that is the case for Florida and there is not any strong indicators why it wouldn’t. Covid like illnesses admissions are already dropping statewide in Florida.

Nothing is flattening in FL, AZ, TX, or CA.

Things might be peaking. Not flattening.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

The Critical Points: Travel shaming is here — and it's a problem - The Points Guy

TPG's Richard Kerr talks about a new trend of travel shaming.

thepointsguy.com

Good article about travel shaming. It seemed applicable to what goes on here.

People need to make decisions for themselves. Honestly if everyone does the right things, wears the masks where they should, keep their hands clean, traveling can work. We now are debating a trip we have had on the books for a few months now to Arizona(the number USED to look good). My thinking is, we try to do our best to control what we can. If we plan to go somewhere and we get there and the conditions dont look right, like not enough space, too many people without masks we move on. The plane worries me the most as if people are not following protocols we can't just get up and leave.

 

[Jrb1979]

The Critical Points: Travel shaming is here — and it's a problem - The Points Guy

TPG's Richard Kerr talks about a new trend of travel shaming.

thepointsguy.com

Good article about travel shaming. It seemed applicable to what goes on here.

People shouldn't be traveling right now. There is a reason some states are putting in quarantine rules. Its to make people not travel. I look at where I live and they really want people to just travel within their own province.