Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

mickeymiss

Well-Known Member
On what are you basing your claims of Universal’s success? We have no official knowledge of covid cases among their TMs. Over on InsideUniversal, several folks who seem to know say the TMs don’t feel safe at all. Anecdotal, of course, but that’s all we have to go on.

And Universal and SeaWorld should be closed.

Everyone is bent on drawing their own conclusions. Nobody has budged even an inch. I would say that no news is good news. I don't sense that Universal would or even could conceal a covid problem. Disruptions in the park would be apparent. Your anecdote is that TM'S feel unsafe. Others have said the opposite. Around and around we go. My point being that a strong lack of evidence that one of the biggest theme parks is experiencing transmission is good.
 

Horizons '83

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No

Miss Bella

Well-Known Member
I think there is risk on both sides. This is all true, but what happens if there's a media storm around an outbreak from Disney? what economic harm does that cause? What happens when cast members get sick? What happens IF a cast member dies? And this is during the middle of one of the largest peaks.

Disney has a lot to think about, its definitely not an easy decision.
The national media has more important things to cover. Outside of Florida people aren't going to care.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
My guess is the people in Florida are as divided as the people on these boards. That being said looking at the way Floridians flock to the beaches I'm guessing there's enough people happy about the parks opening to satisfy Disney.
I know cast who work in the parks. They advise a lot of locals refuse to follow the suggested mask policy around town and are openly defiant.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I will take that as a request for clarity. CM's have been offered face shields which are advanced PPE. There is nothing in my observations even approaching that level of safety for employees anywhere outside of hospitals. Gee I wish people would argue in good faith and defend their positions. How are the CM's less safe with the addition of face shields?
From at least one person I know of on the ground they are not handing out face shields to CMs. This person made a request and Disney said no and they went to the union who also said no so they went and bought their own. They are allowed to use them but not supplied by Disney. This is a person who is in the high risk group but needs to work. Just one story and maybe that’s changed since they were back to work in one of the first waves back. They also were not doing daily temp checks for CMs either. I believe that has been improved but still not consistent across the board. The plans are so,I’d bjt they need to follow through to keep CMs as safe as possible.
 

Miss Bella

Well-Known Member
I think there is risk on both sides. This is all true, but what happens if there's a media storm around an outbreak from Disney? what economic harm does that cause? What happens when cast members get sick? What happens IF a cast member dies? And this is during the middle of one of the largest peaks.

Disney has a lot to think about, its definitely not an easy decision.
People that work at Costco, Walmart, Airlines, and many other large companies have died. I'm not sure why a castmember dying is going to cause a media firestorm.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
People that work at Costco, Walmart, Airlines, and many other large companies have died. I'm not sure why a castmember dying is going to cause a media firestorm.
A mass outbreak would probably be a bigger story than one person dying. The only way it’s a firestorm is if there’s any sort of link to Disney not following through on their commitments to safety. Look at the Landrys story from DS. Never made national news but was a much bigger story because of the alleged attempt to cover up and the company not sending the worker home allegedly.
 

Miss Bella

Well-Known Member
A mass outbreak would probably be a bigger story than one person dying. The only way it’s a firestorm is if there’s any sort of link to Disney not following through on their commitments to safety. Look at the Landrys story from DS. Never made national news but was a much bigger story because of the alleged attempt to cover up and the company not sending the worker home allegedly.
If the employees follow the rules that shouldn't happen. I work at a hospital and only a couple of employees have gotten COVID and they may not have even gotten it from work. If healthcare workers that are exposed to COVID daily can keep themselves safe by wearing masks and washing their hands cast members should be able to do the same.
 

DisneyDebRob

Well-Known Member
If the employees follow the rules that shouldn't happen. I work at a hospital and only a couple of employees have gotten COVID and they may not have even gotten it from work. If healthcare workers that are exposed to COVID daily can keep themselves safe by wearing masks and washing their hands cast members should be able to do the same.
Then I’m hoping they wear n95, face shields, gloves.. just like my 3 cousins do at the hospitals they work at. That’s what keeps them safe.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Then I’m hoping they wear n95, face shields, gloves.. just like my 3 cousins do at the hospitals they work at. That’s what keeps them safe.
I've been in hospitals that staff have extensive PPE in air conditioning surroundings. At MK, the weather can be so hot one can fry eggs on Main Street. I would be happy if the cast had their mask on.
 

beertiki

Well-Known Member
This is what Disney has to be concerned about -

Here in the Keys, we had about 100 cases, we opened to tourists on June 1st. We are now well past 300 cases. Many of these cases are from bars and restaurants. Every day we hear another place has closed for cleaning because a member of the staff has tested positive. Bars were closing before the state ordered them to. The virus seems to spread very easily in bars and restaurants. The same conditions that allowed the virus to spread down here will exist in multiple locations at WDW. Now the big difference is, the media does not care that Irish Kevin's had to close, but they will care and it will make the national news if a CM tests positive while working at Pecos Bills. The headline is not going to say Pecos Bills, it's going to say Disney World.

Right now, people in Miami are making plans to go to Orlando next weekend.
 

Miss Bella

Well-Known Member
Then I’m hoping they wear n95, face shields, gloves.. just like my 3 cousins do at the hospitals they work at. That’s what keeps them safe.
Those people are symptomatic and are getting treatments that make the virus airborne. Were talking about protection outside against possible asymptomatic spreaders. Masks and physical distancing will work just as well at Disney as it does at your local Costco.
 

mwf5555

Active Member
In one week I'll be flying to FL. I am frightened to get on a metal tube with total strangers for two hours and share our breath, but I will be wearing a mask full time. I will also have my sanitary wipes which I will wipe everything in my seating area. In PA, there has been no shortage of masks, wipes, or gloves. Plenty of supplies to go around for everyone.
I don't understand why people are forcing themselves to get on a plane? If you're that uptight about it then don't do it or find another mode.
 

YodaMan

Well-Known Member
FYI that the face shield (in addition to the mask) depends on your role. There are also goggles for some scenarios as a third form of protection. It’s not about which cast WANT them, but which JOBS need them (think things like a height check or seat belt check where 6 feet is hard to keep while correctly doing your job).
 
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YodaMan

Well-Known Member
And, again, the main concern is eating. Taking off your mask to eat inside will immediately put you at risk. Countless studies have shown that being inside and eating with your mask off and having someone else in that same room even 20 feet away who is infected and has their mask off could also get you infected. Regardless of how safe Disney’s plan is, there will still be guests who get sick from being in restaurants and CMs who get sick from being in breakrooms. Point blank. It really just comes down to hoping that the number of cases coming from the parks stays low since there seems to be no sign of Disney stopping.
 

tissandtully

Well-Known Member
This is what Disney has to be concerned about -

Here in the Keys, we had about 100 cases, we opened to tourists on June 1st. We are now well past 300 cases. Many of these cases are from bars and restaurants. Every day we hear another place has closed for cleaning because a member of the staff has tested positive. Bars were closing before the state ordered them to. The virus seems to spread very easily in bars and restaurants. The same conditions that allowed the virus to spread down here will exist in multiple locations at WDW. Now the big difference is, the media does not care that Irish Kevin's had to close, but they will care and it will make the national news if a CM tests positive while working at Pecos Bills. The headline is not going to say Pecos Bills, it's going to say Disney World.

Right now, people in Miami are making plans to go to Orlando next weekend.
At least they'll be forced (hopefully) to wear masks at WDW unlike most bars that aren't doing any enforcing.
 

revancho

Member
Immunity after an infection and vaccine efficacy have no connection to each other. People who contract pertussis and diptheria may not have lasting immunity to the natural disease, but we have very effective vaccines against both.

To say "immunity after an infection and vaccine efficacy have no connection to each other" is just simply not true. That's literally the foundational principle of our ability to vaccinate against diseases.

Also, the example diseases you reference are not even good exceptions to this rule. Studies have shown that infection acquired immunity from pertussis lasts as long or longer than the immunity from the vaccine. Both are believed to fade over time.

Duration of Immunity Against Pertussis After Natural Infection or Vaccination
 

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