Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[Lilofan]

DO you have a link to info on this?

Four Pinellas hospitals completely out of ICU beds

Space is dwindling at the county's hospitals as coronavirus cases rise.

www.tampabay.com

And WDW 90 minutes away plans to open on 7/11...

 

[legwand77]

Not at all. Putting words in people’s mouths again I see.
You could make the same case for small business. They were told to shut down unlike the big stores who were told to stay open because they are essential. Let’s make the playing field comparable. If you want small business not to go under and survive, there are already behind the 8 ball because of government regulations. Of course the answer for that was Loans which many never got, and others that didn’t need it gladly took it.
Don’t conveniently for get that small business didn’t go under on their own. It was from strict regulations not allowing them to survive.

Fair enough, no intention to put words in your mouth , just using a metaphor to illustrate. I agree with you on making the field comparable. I don't know of many small business that were similar business to the big boxes that were ordered to shut down though.

 

[BrianLo]

Just have to ask cause I'm struggling with this? Why are you and many others in such a hurry to open things up.

For the most part people have trips booked in July and August. It’s very easy to figure out who that is. Legitimately not a judgement - but this is the typical pattern on this boards. It’s usually more self serving hope that it stays open for that individual rather than the whole.

 

[schuelma]

I think as a society we need to keep business open safely. Whatever that’s means. We are trying it this way for now and if it doesn’t work, we need to change strategy. As I said before to you.. you or I or anyone else knows what happens a month or 2 from now. Let’s dip the toes in to see how cold the water really is.

I mean.. we literally know what is working and what is not working.

Most other industrialized countries are in the midst of reopening and are not seeing nearly the level of new infections we are seeing.

It isn't a magic formula in any way.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Graph made from a random twitter user, ok

How about one from Florida .

November 3: Tracking Florida COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Fatalities

NOTE 10/11: There was no DOH COVID daily report on 10/10. Therefore, the 10/11 daily number for cases and deaths will include two days. The current hospitalization numbers and the seven day average numbers will not be impacted. NOTE 9/1: DeSantis was informed late Monday that nearly 75,000...

tallahasseereports.com

 

[legwand77]

And WDW plans to open on 7/11...

that happens all the time, happened last year and the year before, individual hospitals hit max capacity a lot more than you realize even before covid.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Fair enough, no intention to put words in your mouth , just using a metaphor to illustrate. I agree with you on making the field comparable. I don't know of many small business that were similar business to the big boxes that were ordered to shut down though.

I agree that not a lot are similar, was just thinking of some way to draw business back to small business.

 

[Lilofan]

that happens all the time, happened last year and the year before, individual hospitals hit max capacity a lot more than you realize even before covid.

And your sources to back up this statement?

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Everyday the optics of Disney opening up this week looks worse. You can spin the data however you want, find the positives, but at the end of the day Florida is facing a major problem. I'm still of the opinion they pull the plug. Its just getting worse. And to report 10,000 from a HOLIDAY is bad. A day when things were expected to be calm. Numbers keep going up, no signs of positivity rate going down, and hospitals are filling up. I just dont see how they go through with it.

 

[legwand77]

How about one from Florida .

November 3: Tracking Florida COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Fatalities

NOTE 10/11: There was no DOH COVID daily report on 10/10. Therefore, the 10/11 daily number for cases and deaths will include two days. The current hospitalization numbers and the seven day average numbers will not be impacted. NOTE 9/1: DeSantis was informed late Monday that nearly 75,000...

tallahasseereports.com

overall hospitalizations steady in that graph until last week bump of 75-90 people. The y axis scale is a bit problematic in that graph. a 75 bed daily increase in a system that has 45000 bed normal capacity.

 

[legwand77]

And your sources to back up this statement?

I have shown them and been discussed and shown by others on this board many times, with links from hospital admins, gov and cdc.

 

[Miss Bella]

Hillsborough hospitals have plenty of capacity, numbers have stayed the same since the the beginning of June, some hospitals run out of beds in normal hospital bed management, been discussed here many times.

I think there’s just a lack of understanding about hospital capacity. Maybe thinking of it like a hotel would help.

 

[legwand77]

I think there’s just a lack of understanding about hospital capacity. Maybe thinking of it like a hotel would help.

and articles like that linked Tampa bay one doesn't help, reporter has no clue either. I remember 2-3 weeks ago they same type of article was about Miami hospitals, and nothing came from it, rinse repeat. It will happen again and scare more people, hopefully less as time goes on.

 

[The Mom]

And your sources to back up this statement?

Not the poster, but here is some information from way back in 2006 when hospitals purposely started decreasing capacity - and how it might have dire consequences in the future - ie, now.

The Transition from Excess Capacity to Strained Capacity in U.S. Hospitals

After many years of concern about excess hospital capacity, a growing perception exists that the capacity of some hospitals now seems constrained. This article explores the reasons behind this changing perception, looking at the longitudinal data and ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Miss Bella]

that happens all the time, happened last year and the year before, individual hospitals hit max capacity a lot more than you realize even before covid.

Yes we hit max capacity all the time through out the year and then we dump out. We dumped on Thursday and closed a Covid floor. Theyll open it again next week. It’s a constant in and out like a hotel.

 

[robhedin]

Current Hospital Capacity in Florida as of today: https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/HospitalBedsCounty?:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y

Both Hillsboro and Pinellas counties have about 20% capacity available as of 1:15pm today. ICU Capacity at about 18% and 12% respectively. Looks like Advent Health in Carrollwood and Kindred Health in Central Tampa (both small hospitals with 75-80 beds each) are at their ICU capacity, but that's it.

Even Miami-Dade is sitting at about 22% available capacity.


Interestingly enough, overall, hospital capacity for Florida is at 26% available. It's been sitting at about 23% for the past several weeks.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

and articles like that linked Tampa bay one doesn't help, reporter has no clue either. I remember 2-3 weeks ago they same type of article was about Miami hospitals, and nothing came from it, rinse repeat. It will happen again and scare more people, hopefully less as time goes on.

Yep, reporter has no clue. Website is biased. That media outlet is trying to scare and panic. Tried and true talking points. The fact is, anyway you want to say it, they are going up. Not a lot and hope it stays that way but going up.

 

[Miss Bella]

and articles like that linked Tampa bay one doesn't help, reporter has no clue either. I remember 2-3 weeks ago they same type of article was about Miami hospitals, and nothing came from it, rinse repeat. It will happen again and scare more people, hopefully less as time goes on.

I have a feeling Florida being a snowbird state is pretty good at surge management.

 

[Miss Bella]

Current Hospital Capacity in Florida as of today: https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/HospitalBedsCounty?:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y

Both Hillsboro and Pinellas counties have about 20% capacity available as of 1:15pm today. ICU Capacity at about 18% and 12% respectively. Looks like Advent Health in Carrollwood and Kindred Health in Central Tampa (both small hospitals with 75-80 beds each) are at their ICU capacity, but that's it.

Even Miami-Dade is sitting at about 22% available capacity.


Interestingly enough, overall, hospital capacity for Florida is at 26% available. It's been sitting at about 23% for the past several weeks.

That doesn’t sound that bad.

 

[legwand77]

Yep, reporter has no clue. Website is biased. That media outlet is trying to scare and panic. Tried and true talking points. The fact is, anyway you want to say it, they are going up. Not a lot and hope it stays that way but going up.

That particular article, yes reporter is clueless because it happens all the time and they decided reporeted it as something unique. I don't think that website is biased. It is not going up, as capacity is fine as stated by the hospitals and actual data. Talking about a daily increase is meaningless as talking about a daily drop, some days more people are going to the hospital and some days less, mnormal cadance for a hospital system. Talk to ER about nights with full moons .