ToTBellHop
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Glad someone listens to me! My kids certainly don’t after being stuck with me for over 4 months.
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Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?
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oceanbreeze77
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goodluck!
Seems the latter. For someone claiming to be in their 40s they don’t act like it. Maybe they have other issues.
oceanbreeze77
Well-Known Member
186 deaths today. 186. 
Another 191 deaths reported in Florida today, a new high.
How many of those deaths could have been avoided with a slower and more measured re-opening?
Couple useful charts:
Very clearly, we can see the increased correlating with the re-opening. Causation and correlation are not necessarily the same thing -- But causation is extremely likely here.
Rushed re-opening... and we see the effect.
But the tempered good news is that cases appear to be leveling off, even declining over the last week. Some will celebrate and say, "see... we didn't need to shut down!"
But tell that to the families of the 191 victims reported today -- Most of those deaths were likely avoidable.
Why are we seeing cases decline at all, with the state still "open"? Well, fortunately, the state has taken some action, largely on a local level. Bars closed, local mask requirements. And perhaps even bigger -- as things get obviously bad, people are voluntarily more careful. People are less likely to go into a restaurant, they are avoiding crowds, they are voluntarily wearing masks. Not like Disney World is facing overwhelming demand to get through the gates.
But with aggressive action, the current peak could have been avoided, the numbers could have been brought down much faster.
And the biggest part of the equation -- It's way too premature to say, "ok, the numbers have started going down, it's over."
If people become less cautious or restrictions are lifted prematurely, the numbers will start to climb again. If the virus behaves differently in the autumn, the virus may claim again. As the virus moves out of South Florida into other counties and towns that perhaps have been less careful., the virus numbers may increase again. As schools re-open in Florida, they might become a conduit for renewed community transmission.
I certainly hope and pray, for Florida and every other community, that the current numbers go down and that there are no more waves.
But unless we want to see more days of 191 people dying... we really need more than fingers crossed and hopes and prayers.
How many of those deaths could have been avoided with a slower and more measured re-opening?
Couple useful charts:
Very clearly, we can see the increased correlating with the re-opening. Causation and correlation are not necessarily the same thing -- But causation is extremely likely here.
Rushed re-opening... and we see the effect.
But the tempered good news is that cases appear to be leveling off, even declining over the last week. Some will celebrate and say, "see... we didn't need to shut down!"
But tell that to the families of the 191 victims reported today -- Most of those deaths were likely avoidable.
Why are we seeing cases decline at all, with the state still "open"? Well, fortunately, the state has taken some action, largely on a local level. Bars closed, local mask requirements. And perhaps even bigger -- as things get obviously bad, people are voluntarily more careful. People are less likely to go into a restaurant, they are avoiding crowds, they are voluntarily wearing masks. Not like Disney World is facing overwhelming demand to get through the gates.
But with aggressive action, the current peak could have been avoided, the numbers could have been brought down much faster.
And the biggest part of the equation -- It's way too premature to say, "ok, the numbers have started going down, it's over."
If people become less cautious or restrictions are lifted prematurely, the numbers will start to climb again. If the virus behaves differently in the autumn, the virus may claim again. As the virus moves out of South Florida into other counties and towns that perhaps have been less careful., the virus numbers may increase again. As schools re-open in Florida, they might become a conduit for renewed community transmission.
I certainly hope and pray, for Florida and every other community, that the current numbers go down and that there are no more waves.
But unless we want to see more days of 191 people dying... we really need more than fingers crossed and hopes and prayers.
DisneyCane
Well-Known Member
I don't know what is with the reports of poor mask compliance at DHS. I've been here since open and seen one teenage girl pull it down to spray her face with a water fan. Literally haven't seen anyone else noncompliant.
DisneyDebRob
Well-Known Member
Some have seen it, some haven’t. No one has to be right I guess. You see compliance, others not so much.
hopemax
Well-Known Member
It's probably like the trash cans and bathroom paper dispensers. Some people claim to have seen an overfull trash can or an empty paper dispenser. I find them all the time. And annoying selfie-sticks that are supposed to be banned.
Gottalovepluto
Active Member
They shoulda paid up for a bubble...
Gottalovepluto
Active Member
I don’t see the link to Disney either. They did not employ the precautions with each other that Disney is employing amongst employees and guests. MLB’s failure actually makes Disney look like it knows what it’s doing with the NBA.
disneygeek90
Well-Known Member
Easier said than done. They couldn't just drop off the number of teams participating like the NBA did. To fit in 900 games they would need some sort of sports complex that has many MLB regulation fields. I'm not even sure if the newest Spring Training complexes could have accommodated it.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
The NBA bubble is looking really smart right now. I know it’s much more difficult to reproduce for other sports but the NBA has a shot at getting their season in. I think the main benefit of the bubble is the lack of travel between cities. When you take a team who is living and interacting in the community in a hot spot like Miami and then have them travel to Philadelphia where cases are much lower thats a bad idea. Forget about the impact to the baseball season, how many workers and average citizens were infected due to their travel. I still feel nobody should be traveling in or out of hot spots for non-essential reasons. What happened with MLB highlights exactly why.
The Little League World Series in Willamsport PA has the right idea. Just house the kids in one big complex where they live, eat and relax , and they play baseball everyday in the adjacent fields. MLB is a lot more complex but if some big money donors can help out anything could happen.
chrisvee
Well-Known Member
totally agree
at a minimum, if I go to FL and return to PA I have to quarantine upon return
do baseball players have any restrictions on the road? I searched but couldn’t find much
the fact that they are also consuming testing capacity is galling too
sports are the reward you get when you’ve done everything else right
Epcotfan21
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You do know the Marlins players and coaches didn't get the virus in Miami, right?
Epcotfan21
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Yea, the only "bubble" option that was being considered by the MLB and probably the best idea was to have the East Coast teams play in Florida and the West Coast teams play in Arizona. Both states have several minor league complexes that would have worked, but I think ultimately the players union was against the idea because the pro's didn't like the idea of minor league life again.
DisneyDebRob
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He may have said Miami but he also said a hot spot, which is what I believe he meant. Georgia is a hot spot now.
Miami Marlins players reportedly went out in Atlanta before team's COVID-19 outbreak
The Phillies’ 2020 season was put on hold by Major League Baseball on Tuesday after at least 17 Miami Marlins players tested positive for COVID-19 between Opening Day and Tuesday. The root of the Marlins’ sudden outbreak hasn’t been confirmed, but according to USA Today baseball insider Bob...
www.nbcsports.com
Giss Neric
Well-Known Member
If that happens, Disney will only be the only theme park left operating. Every other theme parks are gone. Universal will probably survive too but I doubt it.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
We don’t really know for sure where they got sick. It was likely either there or in Atlanta where they played a few games prior to arriving in Philly. Both hot spots. The point is still the same.
Epcotfan21
Well-Known Member
No, they know it was either Atlanta or Philadelphia. Agree that the point remains regarding Atlanta being a hot spot.
The Marlins scenario should be used as a case study for NFL and college football, but will likely show that professional sports not using a bubble are doomed to fail.