Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[legwand77]

Florida numbers continue to trend down, with a massive amount of test reported 120,000+ , the positivity trend is still decreasing. Less than the last two Fridays, might hit 10% tomorrow or Monday, hope so. Hospitalizations declined as well as ED CLI admissions.

It appears the FL peak death per day so far is currently set on July 16th at 112. That number will change as more deaths are logged. It will be interesting if that peak day holds or moves forward. 14 of today's 124 reported deaths were put on that day.

Orange County positivity is down now back below 10% as expected following the trend from last few weeks again hope that continues.

 

[Jrb1979]

In Florida they definitely do not. I'd have to research Michigan but normally executive orders can only direct enforcement and/or funding of existing laws. Otherwise you no longer have a three branch government and basically make the governor an elected dictator.

In Florida the COVID curfews being implemented wouldn't stand up in court. Curfew powers are specifically enumerated in the Florida Statutes and implementing a curfew for a health crisis is not a granted power.

Our city's pass by-laws to enforce masks and social distancing. Each city has by-law officers that have been patrolling businesses and the beaches to make enforce social distancing and mask wearing.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Yes, nevermind.


I love cats. But I must watch where I step so I do not fall down the stairs and die from a preventable injury, the number 3 cause of death in the US

I will admit there are a lot of deaths being attributed to COVID...

I couldn’t help it..... this made me laugh when there’s not much to laugh about....

 

[DisneyCane]

Our city's pass by-laws to enforce masks and social distancing. Each city has by-law officers that have been patrolling businesses and the beaches to make enforce social distancing and mask wearing.

Like I said, it can be enforced in businesses. However, the business is the one that would have to be punished (at least in Florida) unless a person refused and the business asked them to leave. Then they could be arrested for trespassing.

Beaches and other government owned property like parks can be enforced also because they can set rules for people who choose to enter the property.

Where they can't be enforced for sure is in my front yard or on a private road in a neighborhood. I'd have to research about public sidewalks. My guess would be no as they provide a means of ingress and egress to homes and apartments but I can't be sure without researching.

In Florida, the Governor could override any local by-laws or emergency orders if he wanted to. In all the political rear kissing, the Southeast Florida mayors are always thanking him for letting them do what they are doing.

 

[Jedijax719]

Closing schools would not protect people from cancer unless it was proven that something in the school was causing that cancer. Likewise, for the flu (most common forms), if it got too bad at once, there would be a push to close schools. But the flu is spread out over time and is seasonal. There is also a vaccine for the most common forms. For COVID-19, without a vaccine, there were just too many cases in too short of time with a death rate that, for a while, was much higher than the flu (based on the numbers). The flu also does not go undetected without symptoms for days.

Florida numbers continue to trend down, with a massive amount of test reported 120,000+ , the positivity trend is still decreasing. Less than the last two Fridays, might hit 10% tomorrow or Monday, hope so. Hospitalizations declined as well as ED CLI admissions.

It appears the FL peak death per day so far is currently set on July 16th at 112. That number will change as more deaths are logged. It will be interesting if that peak day holds or moves forward. 14 of today's 124 reported deaths were put on that day.

Orange County positivity is down now back below 10% as expected following the trend from last few weeks again hope that continues.

Where do you get this information from?
156 deaths on July 16.
173 deaths on July 23.
Deaths have been over 130 since July 21.
If there is a peak and then it levels off after that, it does not mean it's decreasing. A plateau can last for a very long time. And if schools reopen, the numbers will continue to increase on a daily basis.

Are Florida schools offering a virtual/face-to-face choice? That's been mandated in Texas.

 

[legwand77]

Where do you get this information from?
156 deaths on July 16.
173 deaths on July 23.
Deaths have been over 130 since July 21.
If there is a peak and then it levels off after that, it does not mean it's decreasing. A plateau can last for a very long time. And if schools reopen, the numbers will continue to increase on a daily basis.

Are Florida schools offering a virtual/face-to-face choice? That's been mandated in Texas.

From the Florida Department of Health daily report

Florida COVID19 Case Line Data

Case line data for COVID-19 confirmed cases in the state of Florida, updated daily.

open-fdoh.hub.arcgis.com

The numbers you are listing is just when they "report" the deaths or enter into the system. For example in today's numbers the 124 deaths are spread over the past two months, one death of the 124 reported today is actually from May 28th. Most occurred over the past two weeks. Only 1 of the 124 reported today was from yesterday. The total from yesterday (one death) will obviously go up as more are added. over the next week, months

 

[legwand77]

Reports are saying crowds are definitely increasing in the parks, wait times going up as well, guessing people are getting more comfortable with how good Disney is handling things.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

My wife had 15 clients from July until September with Disney vacations. The last called this morning to cancel. 15 cancellations. 2 canceled for October already with a few more that are waiting. Nov. And Dec. no cancellations yet. I’m thinking it’s going to be very light crowds for a long time. Bad time to have a job like hers.

 

[RaiseTheShields]

just a couple of points here:

you’re right- layoffs are coming, and probably in a big way. But to think that business should just keep staff furloughed is short sighted; while furloughed, the business is still paying certain benefits including healthcare. At some point they won’t be able to afford that and it turns into real layoffs. This is already happening in some businesses - and the cost to the business owner has been devastating to the point where those businesses are no more.

second point, there are several businesses here that have reopened and are having to turn away customers due to lack of staff. They’re trying to hire but they can’t get people to work. In some cases that’s because people are genuinely concerned, in others its because they’re effectively being paid to stay at home.

everyone has to make their own decisions, but the government cant provide bread and circuses forever, and business can’t survive a massively prolonged shutdown. We have to figure someway out.

I don’t disagree. I’m not advocating for a prolonged shutdown or even a short lockdown. That ship has sailed and was mismanaged by opening up too quickly and not doing simple things that could protect us.

Furloughs are going to turn into real layoffs regardless. Not trying to be dismissive of the needs of a business but I was mostly speaking from an employee POV.

I’ve not seen any business turn away customers due to staffing. Not saying you’re wrong. I believe you and don’t care enough to ask for a source. It doesn’t change the fact that the poster I replied to completely missed the point.

Speaking of missing the point, calling government support “bread and circuses” is degrading. Furlough was not a choice an employee had in March. Layoffs will also not be a choice.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

How are you such a brick wall about this? Opening the economy is not doing what you seem to think it is. Layoffs are coming and there’s nothing we can do to stop them. I don’t just mean the airline industry.

EXACTLY!!! Almost every industry is faced with it. Theres no turning back.

 

[legwand77]

My wife had 15 clients from July until September with Disney vacations. The last called this morning to cancel. 15 cancellations. 2 canceled for October already with a few more that are waiting. Nov. And Dec. no cancellations yet. I’m thinking it’s going to be very light crowds for a long time. Bad time to have a job like hers.

Sure people have cancelled, nothing new about that , but there are others going and booking last minute trips as they are seeing low crowds and how safe the parks actually are.

 

[Jrb1979]

Sure poeple cancel , but there are others going and booking last minute trips as they are seeing low crowds and how safe the parks actually are.

Its more that local AP holders are able to go as they moved around the reservation buckets

 

[legwand77]

A big chunk of Florida Resident AP's are currently blacked out, they cant go until 8/7. Crowds will pick up then for sure.

 

[Tom P.]

Most of these mask mandates are issued as executive orders at the municipal or state level, and, as such, they are not enforceable by law enforcement. As soon as the “charged,” hit the courtroom, they can rip up that ticket or the judge will do it for them.

Furthermore, wearing pants is not a law, it’s a social standard. Businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone sans pants.

First... I wasn't addressing whether mask mandates are a good idea or even if they are legally enforceable. I was just addressing the constitutional question.

Second... try walking down the street naked. I guarantee you that you will attract the attention of law enforcement. It is most definitely more than just a social standard. There are definitely laws mandating that you cover certain portions of your body.

Third... many mandates are actually being passed into law now. The city council of the city my mom lives in, for example, recently passed an ordinance requiring a mask and including a $150 per violation penalty.

 

[legwand77]

South Florida/ Miami Dade is improving, Covid discharges have been higher than admissions for six straight days now, hospital capacity is improving, Emergency covid calls down the lowest it has been in over three weeks. Maybe post peak? Hope so.

 

[Lilofan]

Sure people have cancelled, nothing new about that , but there are others going and booking last minute trips as they are seeing low crowds and how safe the parks actually are.

Booking last minute trips can be a nightmare for budgeting/forecasting business operations.

 

[sWANNISAX]

South Florida/ Miami Dade is improving, Covid discharges have been higher than admissions for six straight days now, hospital capacity is improving, Emergency covid calls down the lowest it has been in over three weeks. Maybe post peak? Hope so.

Good information. Have you seen anything about the state of the area around Disney? I'm scheduled to travel next sunday and still haven't made the final decision.

 

[xdan0920]

South Florida/ Miami Dade is improving, Covid discharges have been higher than admissions for six straight days now, hospital capacity is improving, Emergency covid calls down the lowest it has been in over three weeks. Maybe post peak? Hope so.

Arizona going the same way. Odd. All the curves wind up the same shape. Who woulda thunk it?

 

[Jrb1979]

Good information. Have you seen anything about the state of the area around Disney? I'm scheduled to travel next sunday and still haven't made the final decision.

It went from 9% in June/July to over 14% now. Its not good no matter what Legwand77 says. Where I live we had 138 new cases in our whole province and a positive percentage of 1. Ontario has 14 million population while Florida has 20 million so not that much different.

 

[Jrb1979]

Arizona going the same way. Odd. All the curves wind up the same shape. Who woulda thunk it?

By doing nothing cause "MMM uummm I gots to work". Don't worry its only a matter of time til cases rise again cause NOTHING IS DONE TO SLOW THE SPREAD MMMMKAY.