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Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?
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disneygeek90
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It's great to have baseball back! And I agree, I don't know how it is for the players but from a fan perspective it feels relatively normal.
RaiseTheShields
Active Member
How are you such a brick wall about this? Opening the economy is not doing what you seem to think it is. Layoffs are coming and there’s nothing we can do to stop them. I don’t just mean the airline industry. As soon as Disney closed their gates in March the writing was on the wall. Full Time Cast Members that have been recalled would be better off furloughed - even at the measly Florida $275/wk. They are only guaranteed 32 hours/week. That doesn’t cut it for people who rely on 40+ just to live paycheck to paycheck. Part Time Cast getting called back - they get scheduled for training and then the next week....no hours. Imagine that. That’s utter crap. There are a couple of departments with higher hourly rates that may be doing ok, but they are running skeleton crews. A lot of their colleagues are furloughed with possible layoffs coming. Cast are not getting the promised quarantine pay if they have to stay home due to a positive test or exposure. Again, utter crap.
I am rooting for Disney....I really am. I live here. I have friends that work there. I want the reopening to be successful and for them to be able to stay open. My livelihood will likely be affected down the road if they close again. So please, go to the parks and drop as much cash as possible.
As far as opening/closing, I don’t know what the answer is, but I know it’s not to come on here and repeatedly say how good things are looking or to respond to others sincerity with utter nonsense.
'The challenges that labs are facing are complex: Why COVID-19 test results are so delayed
From supply chain shortages to an overwhelming number of samples to test, U.S. laboratories are struggling to keep up.www.nbcnews.com
That article say the average time to deliver results is three to five days from when a specimen was picked up. not 7 to 10
but Florida is running an average of 3 days, still too long
oceanbreeze77
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I think the crowd noise is overkill, but the cutouts kinda grow on you
ElvisMickey
Well-Known Member
The cutouts were creeping me out when I was watching the Mets today. Then one took a foul ball right to the forehead and just kept smiling
1. Pants are an article of clothing.
2. The Government has the power to enforce that its citizens wear an article of clothing that covers their pelvic area, while some may argue that is a matter of public decency, it’s also a matter of public health (think about your body part that sits, then think about what comes out of that and how poorly people can clean them and that’s not even touching on what can leak out the front end.)
3. A mask is an article of clothing
4. The government can mandate a mask done as a matter of public health.
2. The Government has the power to enforce that its citizens wear an article of clothing that covers their pelvic area, while some may argue that is a matter of public decency, it’s also a matter of public health (think about your body part that sits, then think about what comes out of that and how poorly people can clean them and that’s not even touching on what can leak out the front end.)
3. A mask is an article of clothing
4. The government can mandate a mask done as a matter of public health.
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Tom P.
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I can find nothing in the Constitution that covers this scenario. And the Tenth Amendment makes clear that anything that is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution then becomes the purview of the states or the people. Now, I would agree that a federal mask mandate would be unconstitutional, because nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government delegated those sorts of public health powers. But I can see no reason why a state or local government cannot enforce masks as a public health matter nor how that would be unconstitutional.
And, as was pointed out, the government already mandates that we wear certain articles of clothing, such as pants.
DVCakaCarlF
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Most of these mask mandates are issued as executive orders at the municipal or state level, and, as such, they are not enforceable by law enforcement. As soon as the “charged,” hit the courtroom, they can rip up that ticket or the judge will do it for them.
Furthermore, wearing pants is not a law, it’s a social standard. Businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone sans pants.
Dizneykid
Active Member
Is that how it has been going for people who refuse to quarantine when they visit out of state? I know Hawaii has become known for evicting people that violate the quarantine. I haven't heard of any charges filed or even fines when those people are sent home. Would the judges throw that out too? I thought it was against the law to prevent people from crossing state borders.
Nope, anyone can just go to CVS and get one
Polkadotdress
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You are cherry-picking data from that article, which states the 3-5 days for LabCorp, but then goes on to state "Average turnaround time for (Quest) test results right now is at least seven days, up from two to three days until several weeks ago."
And FL test returns are taking anywhere 7-10 days on average. Details here: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino...test-result-wait-times-grows-florida-n1234493
"As demand for COVID-19 tests continues to rise in hard-hit Florida, so do the wait times for test results. Results can take 7 to 10 days and in some cases, even more. Nationwide, more people are testing for the virus and the turnaround time for results has increased from a couple of days to at least a week."
just a couple of points here:
you’re right- layoffs are coming, and probably in a big way. But to think that business should just keep staff furloughed is short sighted; while furloughed, the business is still paying certain benefits including healthcare. At some point they won’t be able to afford that and it turns into real layoffs. This is already happening in some businesses - and the cost to the business owner has been devastating to the point where those businesses are no more.
second point, there are several businesses here that have reopened and are having to turn away customers due to lack of staff. They’re trying to hire but they can’t get people to work. In some cases that’s because people are genuinely concerned, in others its because they’re effectively being paid to stay at home.
everyone has to make their own decisions, but the government cant provide bread and circuses forever, and business can’t survive a massively prolonged shutdown. We have to figure someway out.
Heppenheimer
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Our tests are not processed locally, but at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota. As of two weeks ago, I was getting COVID results back in 24-48 hours. As of today, though, I'm still waiting on tests I ordered last week. The reason is the huge national increase in testing recently has caused a severe back-log. Not good news at all if we're even going to pretend to implement tracking and tracing.
As for the point-of-care testing that was mentioned, the sensitivity is lower than the standard PCR-based test. It has some value for situations where pre-test probability is high (ie, symptomatic disease, known positive close contact exposure), but isn't that great as a general screening tool.
HauntedMansionFLA
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It’s an election year. Put the wearing a mask in public on the ballot and let the American people vote.
SamusAranX
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We still have meter maids in Florida, mainly at the beaches.
DisneyCane
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The difference is that there are laws that say you have to wear a seatbelt. There is currently no law that says you have to wear a mask. Emergency orders are not laws. Cities and counties can not pass their own laws. The state legislature would have to pass a mandatory mask law and the governor would have to sign it (or veto it and be overridden) for it to be enforceable with a fine.
It would be very difficult to pass and be found constitutional because they would have to exempt people with medical conditions that make a mask detrimental to their health. Once you make an exception then everybody is not treated equally under the law.
They can enforce masks inside businesses because a business is licenced and essentially agrees to be regulated by the DPBR (in Florida, similar agency for other states just different names).
Bottom line is the government (local or state) can mandate masks be worn inside businesses and fine or shut down the business if they don't make best efforts to enforce it. The craziness that Broward county is trying to make homeowners or renters enforce masks inside private residences will not be enforceable once the "perp" goes to court.
schuelma
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In Michigan at least, executive orders have the force of law.
DisneyCane
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In Florida they definitely do not. I'd have to research Michigan but normally executive orders can only direct enforcement and/or funding of existing laws. Otherwise you no longer have a three branch government and basically make the governor an elected dictator.
In Florida the COVID curfews being implemented wouldn't stand up in court. Curfew powers are specifically enumerated in the Florida Statutes and implementing a curfew for a health crisis is not a granted power.