Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[October82]

What if they can’t afford the fines? Jail?

That's more of an argument against all fines then against this one in particular. What if people can't afford fines for jaywalking? Let's do that.

 

[schuelma]

They aren't improving. Positive percentage has been the same for a few weeks, cases aren't going down and deaths keep rising. It doesn't matter if they are spread out over a few days, its still the same amount. Measures need to be put in place to get numbers down. Mandatory masks and hefty fines for people who don't comply should be in place.

Exactly. The numbers (other than deaths) aren't necessarily getting worse, but they are not improving, and with the level Florida is at that is horrible horrible news.

 

[Miss Bella]

That's more of an argument against all fines then against this one in particular. What if people can't afford fines for jaywalking? Let's do that.

That still doesn’t answer the question.

 

[celluloid]

You can bet the latest HHN news and the death rate increasing for the state of Florida/ California's closures have hurt things that much more.

 

[Miss Bella]

They could have afforded the mask

Maybe, but you didnt answer the question.

 

[legwand77]

Exactly. The numbers (other than deaths) aren't necessarily getting worse, but they are not improving, and with the level Florida is at that is horrible horrible news.

Disagree, some numbers and metrics are improving, see above (tampa dashboard), ED CLI visits have dropped statewide and I have shared many other cases where numbers are improving. Also it is possible the actual current deaths per day are actually improving, declining but still to early to say that for sure.

 

[October82]

That still doesn’t answer the question.

Yeah, it does. But I googled that for you anyway.

(since that link is for CA, in FL they also can take your driver's license away)

 

[Polkadotdress]

That still doesn’t answer the question.

Same as any other fine:
1-Debt collection agency
2-Additional late fees
3-Jail time eventually
4-The ability to do community service to pay off the fine.

But of note, whether a fine for jaywalking, or speeding, or public nudity, or not wearing a mask...those are all fines that are attributable to a choice that person made to not follow the rules.

 

[peter11435]

Maybe, but you didnt answer the question.

Not many people can’t afford a mask, but even then they probably already have something they could use as a mask.

Does not being able to afford the fine for speeding mean you shouldn’t get a ticket?

 

[Miss Bella]

Same as any other fine:
1-Debt collection agency
2-Additional late fees
3-Jail time eventually
4-The ability to do community service to pay off the fine.

But of note, whether a fine for jaywalking, or speeding, or public nudity, or not wearing a mask...those are all fines that are attributable to a choice that person made to not follow the rules.

Do are police department have the resources and time for that? A lot of people speed and don’t get fined same goes for jaywalking.

 

[October82]

Same as any other fine:
1-Debt collection agency
2-Additional late fees
3-Jail time eventually
4-The ability to do community service to pay off the fine.

But of note, whether a fine for jaywalking, or speeding, or public nudity, or not wearing a mask...those are all fines that are attributable to a choice that person made to not follow the rules.

And while we can definitely have a conversation about whether these should be the consequences, these are and have been the consequences that most of us have never objected to before. There's no debate about the legality/constitutionality of imposing fines and having penalties for not paying them. This isn't a serious objection to mask mandates.

 

[October82]

Do are police department have the resources and time for that? A lot of people speed and don’t get fined same goes for jaywalking.

And yet, these are still the laws with corresponding fines. Presumably because they do (in fact) have a deterrent effect.

Which is all that a mask mandate + fines is intended to accomplish.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

And yet, these are still the laws with corresponding fines. Presumably because they do (in fact) have a deterrent effect.

Which is all that a mask mandate + fines is intended to accomplish.

you can get a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt, I dont see why not wearing a mask should be any different

 

[Miss Bella]

Do police department have the resources and time to drive around looking for people withou a mask on. Even before all the budget cuts they didn’t have the time.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Do police department have the resources and time to drive around looking for people withou a mask on. Even before all the budget cuts they didn’t have the time.

they seem to have enough time to run everyones plates

 

[Miss Bella]

you can get a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt, I dont see why not wearing a mask should be any different

Cops aren’t everywhere. People get away with speeding and not wearing a seatbelt all the time. It’s easy to pull up your mask when you see a cop just like you slow down when you see a cop car.

 

[October82]

Do police department have the resources and time to drive around looking for people withou a mask on. Even before all the budget cuts they didn’t have the time.

Perhaps we should, I don't know, fund other agencies to respond to minor infractions/public health issues?

That's a topic for another forum though.

We're not getting rid of traffic fines just because police have more to do than enforce them, so how about we be consistent and also impose mask fines?

 

[Polkadotdress]

Do are police department have the resources and time for that? A lot of people speed and don’t get fined same goes for jaywalking.

So, because there are many more "non-serious" law breaking citizens out here, you're saying that an additional penalty in an attempt to get those rule breakers to be more safe is not warranted???

There is also a hefty fine for parking in a handicapped spot...but I would also argue that it's not the best use a police squad's time to actively patrol for it because there are always many other things that could easily take precedent in their day. So according to your logic, we simply shouldn't pursue ticketing those who illegally park in those spots?

 

[October82]

Cops aren’t everywhere. People get away with speeding and not wearing a seatbelt all the time. It’s easy to pull up your mask when you see a cop just like you slow down when you see a cop car.

Terrific. We achieved what we hoped to. That's why fines for these things work.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Cops aren’t everywhere. People get away with speeding and not wearing a seatbelt all the time. It’s easy to pull up your mask when you see a cop just like you slow down when you see a cop car.

IDK where you live but here in LA cops are EVERYWHERE. Dont even think about making that right turn on red.