Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

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legwand77

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Jrb1979 said:
You're just saying it's not bad enough be to close the parks again. I would tell you what so think but every time I bring up what is being done in whee I live so get mocked. So I will just continue to shake my head.
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That is correct, my opinion is they do not need to close the parks at this time, more importantly many others have that same opinion, including Disney, local and state government, hospital admins etc. while others have differing opinions. and that is perfectly fine
 
Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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Jrb1979 said:
You're just saying it's not bad enough be to close the parks again. I would tell you what so think but every time I bring up what is being done in whee I live so get mocked. So I will just continue to shake my head.
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Do you really think closing the parks would solve the problem? You do realize WDW has only been open for 5 days.
 
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havoc315

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legwand77 said:
ok , here is southeast (not just houston) texas hospitals dashboard (the hotspot in texas) from today, not just one hospital, looks pretty flat. Where is it "increasing fast"? If I add in the whole of the numbers looks even better.

The mayor advised stay at home, like you said was not an order, she doesn't have that power. After she made that order hospital admins in Houston said that they have plenty of capacity and that was over two weeks ago and they still have capacity.

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Again -- Houston is doing better BECAUSE they followed STAY HOME directive. (whether ordered or recommended, it's what people and businesses are doing).

Texas hospitalization is rising quickly --- the hot spot isn't so much Houston anymore, as multiple other spots in the state.

Here again, is the hospitalization curve for the state of Texas:

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Does that look flat to you??

Me -- Here is the information for the entire state of Texas, showing massive increase in hospitalization.
You: No, you're wrong... here is information for just 1 park of Texas showing things are flat for the last week, in response to stay at home recommendations. And therefore, my conclusion is that Floridians don't need to stay at home.

That's what we call in the legal world, a non sequitur.
 
Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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havoc315 said:
Again -- Houston is doing better BECAUSE they followed STAY HOME directive. (whether ordered or recommended, it's what people and businesses are doing).

Texas hospitalization is rising quickly --- the hot spot isn't so much Houston anymore, as multiple other spots in the state.

Here again, is the hospitalization curve for the state of Texas:

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Does that look flat to you??

Me -- Here is the information for the entire state of Texas, showing massive increase in hospitalization.
You: No, you're wrong... here is information for just 1 park of Texas showing things are flat for the last week, in response to stay at home recommendations. And therefore, my conclusion is that Floridians don't need to stay at home.

That's what we call in the legal world, a non sequitur.
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I’m curious how do we know they followed the directive?
 
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havoc315

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legwand77 said:
Also to add some more data points from TMC the largest medical complex in the world located in Houston. Note the seven day growth rate is -0.2% not quite rising fast.

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Thank you!!! Yes!!!! See the evidence that Disney World should close, that you just posted!!!

Houston went to a "Stay Home" advisory in early July -- As a result, the hospitalization rate started to flatten in mid/late July!!!
Notice the massive increase before the effect of the Stay-Home recommendations!

So yes -- if a Stay Home order is issued, or a Stay Home recommendation is made that actually gets followed (non-essential businesses actually follow the recommendation and shut down) -- then hospitalizations flatten!!!

Thank you!!
 
Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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havoc315 said:
Thank you!!! Yes!!!! See the evidence that Disney World should close, that you just posted!!!

Houston went to a "Stay Home" advisory in early July -- As a result, the hospitalization rate started to flatten in mid/late July!!!
Notice the massive increase before the effect of the Stay-Home recommendations!

So yes -- if a Stay Home order is issued, or a Stay Home recommendation is made that actually gets followed (non-essential businesses actually follow the recommendation and shut down) -- then hospitalizations flatten!!!

Thank you!!
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Did Walmart, Target and Costco close because if they didn’t I know people weren’t staying home.
 
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havoc315

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LUVMCO said:
I’m curious how do we know they followed the directive?
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You can actually examine mobility data from Apple... which tracks movement on people's iphones. The Apple data shows a clear decrease in mobility in Houston starting late June/early July. Not nearly as low as the mobility in April, when there was an actual shut down order. But a significant reduction from early June. Basically, a peak in activity in early June.
 
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havoc315

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LUVMCO said:
Did Walmart, Target and Costco close because if they didn’t I know people weren’t staying home.
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They didn't close in NY in response to a full stay home order. They are essential businesses.

You do know what a "Stay Home" order means? It means essential businesses operate, (those 3 stores all sell groceries, so they are all considered essential).
 
Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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havoc315 said:
They didn't close in NY in response to a full stay home order. They are essential businesses.

You do know what a "Stay Home" order means? It means essential businesses operate, (those 3 stores all sell groceries, so they are all considered essential).
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I know the difference, but one isn’t riskier than the other. There are still many non essential businesses open in Houston.
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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LUVMCO said:
Do you really think closing the parks would solve the problem? You do realize WDW has only been open for 5 days.
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I do as it would help with stopping people from traveling to Florida and possibly bringing it back to where they live. There is a reason they aren't opening where I live.
 
Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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Jrb1979 said:
I do as it would help with stopping people from traveling to Florida and possibly bringing it back to where they live. There is a reason they aren't opening where I live.
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That’s not going to lessen the spread in Florida. Isn’t that what you were originally concerned about. You’ve said many times you only vacation at themes parks.
 
chrisvee

chrisvee

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havoc315 said:
You can actually examine mobility data from Apple... which tracks movement on people's iphones. The Apple data shows a clear decrease in mobility in Houston starting late June/early July. Not nearly as low as the mobility in April, when there was an actual shut down order. But a significant reduction from early June. Basically, a peak in activity in early June.
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Curious about your opinion of the predictive value of the Kinsa data. They are grim about TX, concerned about FL, and more positive about AZ in terms of Rt and time to peak.
 

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