Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[Disstevefan1]

FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Florida Department of Health says some labs have not reported negative COVID-19 results

The Florida Department of Health released its daily coronavirus testing report showing a statewide positivity rate of 11 percent, but FOX 35 News investigated and quickly noticed some shocking positivity rates.

www.fox35orlando.com

THIS IS BAD! No matter what side of the should the parks open argument you are on, WE ALL look at the numbers! Simply put, WE CANNOT TRUST THE NUMBERS for either side of the argument!!!

 

[stratman50th]

It's tricky to determine if a death is caused by COVID sometimes. I know in some Florida hospitals, they are calling a person COVID positive if they exhibit COVID like symptoms without testing to play it safe.

As for deaths "caused by COVID" I suspect there is some guess work also. An unhealthy person could have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel not related to COVID, and was maybe called COVID positive by symptoms and not tests.

When it doubt, call it a death by COVID to play it safe.

I would have thought this was crazy except I was talking with a friend today. Her aunt was exhibiting flu like symptoms last weekend and went to the ED. She was told there would be an approx. 30 minute wait until she would be seen. After three hours waiting she went home. She received a letter yesterday from the hospital stating she had tested positive for COVID. (Central Florida). SMH...

 

[rle4lunch]

THIS IS BAD! No matter what side of the should the parks open argument you are on, WE ALL look at the numbers! Simply put, WE CANNOT TRUST THE NUMBERS for either side of the argument!!!

Exactly.

 

[Curiosity]

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Yep. Been talked about all day yesterday. Doesn’t change the number much at all. Next subject.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Yep. Been talked about all day yesterday. Doesn’t change the number much at all. Next subject.

It makes you think though.. How insignificant or wide spread is this happening. Folks will say it my be as little as 3 percent in either direction, but no one knows for sure how messed up the numbers are now 4 months in.. We just look at numbers on a web page. They could (and do apparently) put up whatever numbers and (try) to keep them correct.

Then I thought, well maybe can use ICU beds as an indicator. Maybe not, as ICU beds may be used to quarantine COVID people in some hospitals?

Then I thought, well maybe COVID deaths may be good indicator, maybe not, as some deaths may be improperly called a COVID deaths?

One thing I think we all agree, the news media LOVES to see big numbers, spikes etc. it's better for their business.

I have lost faith in the numbers and how they are collected. Will I continue to wear a mask YES, choosing not to wear a mask does not make the numbers any more accurate, COVID is real, the daily numbers, I do not know..

 

[Polkadotdress]

To early to say imho. There have been a few worse.

Since your view seems to be “everything’s fine”, can I ask what is your version of everything NOT being fine? What does a poor/bad plan look like for FL?

 

[Curiosity]

no one knows for sure how messed up the numbers are now 4 months in

I think that's an over reaction. Saying there's an error of +/- 3% is very different than saying we don't know anything, i.e an error of +/- 100%. With so many places and people reporting numbers there was always going to be some level of error. That doesn't mean the general message: cases are high and getting higher, hospitalizations are increasing, is in question.

They could (and do apparently) put up whatever numbers and (try) to keep them correct.

Generally, most people don't have the default assumption that everything is a lie. Just because, theoretically someone could lie, isn't a reason to assume they are. I don't know how you'd live if everything had to be proven to you personally before you'd believe it.

the news media LOVES to see big numbers, spikes etc. it's better for their business.

True, and you'd know what would make a great, sensational headline? Hospitals/doctors/politicians lying about how many coronavirus cases and deaths occurred. I mean that Fox network just did it for a 3% max error. A willful 50% or more type error? That would drive massive viewership/clicks. That could win a journalism award! And yet, that size of error isn't being reported anywhere...maybe because errors on that size haven't been found...

Will I continue to wear a mask YES

I'm glad you are and I don't want to pick on you. It's just that I find the jump from "there's a margin of error in this data" to "we don't know anything!! a frustrating one. Because some people will think, "we don't really know what's happening so why should I inconvenience myself and wear a mask?" And that's a bad message to take.

In the end, whether there were 470 deaths yesterday or 449 deaths yesterday shouldn't really change the decision making of the average person. The numbers, as they are now, are good enough for decision making purposes.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I think that's an over reaction. Saying there's an error of +/- 3% is very different than saying we don't know anything, i.e an error of +/- 100%. With so many places and people reporting numbers there was always going to be some level of error. That doesn't mean the general message: cases are high and getting higher, hospitalizations are increasing, is in question.



Generally, most people don't have the default assumption that everything is a lie. Just because, theoretically someone could lie, isn't a reason to assume they are. I don't know how you'd live if everything had to be proven to you personally before you'd believe it.


True, and you'd know what would make a great, sensational headline? Hospitals/doctors/politicians lying about how many coronavirus cases and deaths occurred. I mean that Fox network just did it for a 3% max error. A willful 50% or more type error? That would drive massive viewership/clicks. That could win a journalism award! And yet, that size of error isn't being reported anywhere...maybe because errors on that size haven't been found...



I'm glad you are and I don't want to pick on you. It's just that I find the jump from "there's a margin of error in this data" to "we don't know anything!! a frustrating one. Because some people will think, "we don't really know what's happening so why should I inconvenience myself and wear a mask?" And that's a bad message to take.

In the end, whether there were 470 deaths yesterday or 449 deaths yesterday shouldn't really change the decision making of the average person. The numbers, as they are now, are good enough for decision making purposes.

Oh no, there are numbers in your reply I am going to stop looking at the numbers daily... I am going to keep my mask on and maybe check them twice a month.... Oh wait, I can't, as the numbers (right, wrong, who knows) are in my face wherever I turn..... I have no faith in the numbers in either direction.

 

[Curiosity]

I am going to stop looking at the numbers daily... I am going to keep my mask on and maybe check them twice a month

Honestly, this is the probably the right call. I started out in March looking at the numbers for my county daily and was even keeping my own excel file with graphs!! Then I decided not to go insane and stopped.

 

[legwand77]

Since your view seems to be “everything’s fine”, can I ask what is your version of everything NOT being fine? What does a poor/bad plan look like for FL?

My view is not everything is fine

 

[chrisvee]

Did I just see the new goal posts? 5 million a day? Doesn’t matter? Just checking because everyday it’s something new.

apparently there are no number of cases in FL that warrant closing Disney, it’s all about Disney’s preparedness

and apparently it’s also impossible to ever prove any cases are caused by a Disney visit anyway

and even if we could prove that, why are you so cruel taking food off the table of the workers?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Check this out as it relates to errors in reporting.....
“I’m not sure why Florida reported 50k test in one day from us, more than likely it’s a file with a few days’ worth of data.”

 

[Polkadotdress]

My view is not everything is fine

OK, but you just said “there have been worse”. What does that look like?

 

[legwand77]

OK, but you just said “there have been worse”. What does that look like?

Looks like just what it says, there are situations in the US that have been worse, and that is a fact. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

I would have thought this was crazy except I was talking with a friend today. Her aunt was exhibiting flu like symptoms last weekend and went to the ED. She was told there would be an approx. 30 minute wait until she would be seen. After three hours waiting she went home. She received a letter yesterday from the hospital stating she had tested positive for COVID. (Central Florida). SMH...

And people think I’m an idiot...

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Looks like just what it says, there are situations in the US that have been worse, and that is a fact. Nothing more nothing less.

Try the HIV/AIDS, opioids, and meth.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Looks like just what it says, there are situations in the US that have been worse, and that is a fact. Nothing more nothing less.

And how have they been worse? What specifically made them fall in the “worse” category?

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Looks like just what it says, there are situations in the US that have been worse, and that is a fact. Nothing more nothing less.

Really going out on a limb there.

 

[Andrew C]

Uh, no.
There is absolutely no proof that people who didn’t get tests were then told they tested positive.

It’s part of a larger conspiracy narrative to discredit the very real rise in COVID-19 cases. You should be absolutely called out and shamed for spreading that kind of harmful garbage.

Lol. Him spreading conspiracy? Nah.