In the Old Testament, men were allowed to have multiple wives simultaneously. Most of Judaism and Christianity have agreed that that's not really cool anymore.
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Disney's Social Media in the Wake of Tragedy
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In the Old Testament, men were allowed to have multiple wives simultaneously. Most of Judaism and Christianity have agreed that that's not really cool anymore.
Nj4mwc
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Im 14 yrs active duty with 6 to go, disney not following proper flag protocol doesnt mean a damn thing. I have had to chew many of over the years when i have seen the flag not half masted, half masted when it shouldnt be, upside down, only 1 grommet clipped in. So to hit Disney on that when our Military doesnt always get it right is ridiculous, there are more imprtant things going on that the flag may have slipped someones mind
Cesar R M
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How about NOT getting people killed by religious bigots or angry anti-minorities?
is that much to ask?
Support can be meaningless if things DO NOT CHANGE.
If people are still getting killed because other group was repeating a hateful mantra 24/7 on news, online, tv and on churches/synagogues.
There are still a lot of "leaders" and people who think these gays deserved what happened to the victims. Just because they were programmed on that mindset.
It will be ENOUGH when they get rights and stop getting killed.
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Cesar R M
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Yes, but unfortunately transformed into "We Stand united and support each other".. and in tiny words (restrictions apply if you're Black, Gay or of other minorities)"
Its not like many of us can do anything than show support online.
I mean, we cannot fly there just to donate blood.
Disagree. For a simple reason.
You need to take into consideration how these religious bigoted people, were inciting the hatred, removal of rights and other violence stances against the minorities.
Then they suddenly go all "LOL WE ALL SUPPORT YOU ALL, WE GRIEVE WITH YOU"... That looks more like a political PR stunt to make themselves look "we're the good guys! believe it!".
Kinda reminds me of this image:
Lets not miss the golden " you have to marry your rapist" for women, also sell your kids or own slaves, or how any woman having their period was "more sinful than sin" and impure.
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Tom Morrow
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Am I reading this right? Are you really saying people who work at your precious vacation spots aren't allowed to mourn for their co-workers, neighbors, city because it ruins your FANTASY?
If this is what you mean then please never post again, thanks.
TalkingHead
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Because WDW social media is still in radio-silence mode. Even some of the WDW bloggers have started to express their surprise over that.
Quinnmac000
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TWDC has a huge gay community that works for them. Beauty and the Beast wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Howard Ashman. Same thing with Little Mermaid. Lion King wouldn't have been Lion King without Elton John. A good majority of cast members present and past have ties to the LGBT community. I get being apolitical but this isn't about being political its supporting the people who work for you, have worked for you, and will for you in the future.
Two, unlike 9/11, back then you didn't have people praising attacks. There was an Arizona preacher that posted a youtube video yelling yay got rid of 50 perverts today and people advocating stoning gays etc. Then when ISIS is involved of course they are outraged but not if it was just a homophobe. Those LGBT Disney castmembers who are still in the park working have to remember they are essentially more so in danger than the rest of castmembers with people wishing them harm. A public statement would help ease their hearts a little and make coming to work a little easier along with LGBT guests.
Two, unlike 9/11, back then you didn't have people praising attacks. There was an Arizona preacher that posted a youtube video yelling yay got rid of 50 perverts today and people advocating stoning gays etc. Then when ISIS is involved of course they are outraged but not if it was just a homophobe. Those LGBT Disney castmembers who are still in the park working have to remember they are essentially more so in danger than the rest of castmembers with people wishing them harm. A public statement would help ease their hearts a little and make coming to work a little easier along with LGBT guests.
21stamps
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So you have now taken a tragedy, carried out by the same radical mindset who's sole purpose in life is to kill Christians, Jews, gays, etc.. The same mindset that we have waged a war against.. And used it as a platform to twist and turn the event into your own personal attack on organized religion.
Bravo.
Miss Heinous
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Universal is offering actual support and has grief counselors on property for their Team Members, what is Disney doing?
TubaGeek
God bless the "Ignore" button.
Here is the most updated version (new pictures are being uploaded rapidly; I know there are some still missing from this), and hopefully you'll be able to zoom in a bit.
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Brad Bishop
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One of the problems I have with this kind of thinking is that if I'm not 100% in lockstep with you (progressives, the state) then I'm evil and a "hater" (or racist or misogynist or whatever) and, suddenly, I don't deserve to have an opinion or vote or be allowed to breathe or what have you. It doesn't even matter what the subject is. There is no intelligent debate about it, just an "agree with us or die" sort of attitude from these folks (not just you). I may have any number of arguments against your positions (and other positions) which have nothing to with religion but I'm supposed to be 100% in lockstep or shut up.
Yet I'm, and others like me, are likely to be considered the "oppressor" by these folks.
I get people's nerves are on end and all that but the attitude of the poster above is a huge problem in this country (with me or be destroyed - type attitude) and it's used to silence people rather than having open arguments. The thing is that silencing the people doesn't stop them from thinking a particular way. You haven't won their hearts over or made them see the light. You've just made them submit. They're still thinking the same things and you're living in a fantasy world where everyone thinks the same.
A far better approach to this would be for people to have honest, thoughtful discussions on these issues (not here) and, when you feel like all you have left to say is, "racist", "homophobe", "misogynist", or "hater," then you step back for a minute and consider the other person's position. They may actually have a point or a different, and possibly better way of solving the problem at hand. Too often this stuff just ends in a shout-down (like above).
The point of an argument is:
- To maybe teach someone something new.
- To learn something.
That doesn't happen when you just shout people down. You have nothing to teach and can't be taught.
JDL30
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As far as we are aware there are no Disney employees who were directly involved in the shooting (that has been reported so far), unlike Universal who lost an employee. That isn't to say that there won't be any Disney staff who aren't affected by the incident (or who knew people involved) - I'm sure Disney has something in place to offer support to them. It's not something that will be will be externally reported however - I'd imagine it'll just be offered via internal communications.
JohnD
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Actually, there was: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ting-jerald-arthur-wright-20160613-story.html
So as not to leave anyone out, here is a link to bios on all the victims: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...tclub-orlando-shooting-victims-htmlstory.html
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Has this thread really devolved into blaming this attack on Americans who may have not supported gay marriage at one time in their lives?
Never mind this terrorist is an islamic extremist who backed ISIS. Never mind that ISIS supported this terrorist. Never mind that this terrorist had a relationship with a radical imam. Never mind that this terrorist's two recent trips to Saudi Arabia are being investigated. Never mine that the father of this terrorist supports the Taliban. Never mind what the Taliban thinks of gay people. Never mind what ISIS wants to do to gay people. Never mind the fact that the US has made great strides in gay rights over the last two decades and much of the world is still well behind. Try living as a gay person in the middle east and see how that works out. Why is hatred towards fellow Americans so strong for some that they are blinded by the facts that are right in front of your face...the true motivation for this terrorist.
No, a non-gay American will never fully understand how it is to live as a gay person in this country and the struggles this community has faced and is still facing. Nor will a gay person ever fully understand the internal struggle of many non-gay Christians. Yes, i do understand how some Americans still feel towards the gay community. No, Americans are not perfect, some individually can be very hateful...but on the whole, Americans are not your enemy. Non-gay Americans, while imperfect just like any American, are still your brothers and sisters and will still hurt when you hurt. And if you want more Americans to understand the struggles that a gay person deals with, this would be best served by using less hate towards them and accepting their support as a human being, rather than blaming them for this attack.
Never mind this terrorist is an islamic extremist who backed ISIS. Never mind that ISIS supported this terrorist. Never mind that this terrorist had a relationship with a radical imam. Never mind that this terrorist's two recent trips to Saudi Arabia are being investigated. Never mine that the father of this terrorist supports the Taliban. Never mind what the Taliban thinks of gay people. Never mind what ISIS wants to do to gay people. Never mind the fact that the US has made great strides in gay rights over the last two decades and much of the world is still well behind. Try living as a gay person in the middle east and see how that works out. Why is hatred towards fellow Americans so strong for some that they are blinded by the facts that are right in front of your face...the true motivation for this terrorist.
No, a non-gay American will never fully understand how it is to live as a gay person in this country and the struggles this community has faced and is still facing. Nor will a gay person ever fully understand the internal struggle of many non-gay Christians. Yes, i do understand how some Americans still feel towards the gay community. No, Americans are not perfect, some individually can be very hateful...but on the whole, Americans are not your enemy. Non-gay Americans, while imperfect just like any American, are still your brothers and sisters and will still hurt when you hurt. And if you want more Americans to understand the struggles that a gay person deals with, this would be best served by using less hate towards them and accepting their support as a human being, rather than blaming them for this attack.
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JDL30
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Ah didn't see this - how sad. Still sure Disney will/has offered support to those affected - they just might not shout about it externally.
21stamps
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I've been thinking about your comment, and didn't want to respond at first. But, I think a few things need to be pointed out, and like the poster above me said- maybe it's an opportunity to learn something new- and maybe you will have a little less conflict in your heart.
When you speak of persecution, after also speaking with such heavy disdain regarding religions, please take a moment to open your eyes. Think of the Jews, the Armenians, and others who have been victims of atrocious genocides. Of Catholics, and Protestants, of Black history. Most of these are groups who you are rejecting, but they can feel your pain more than you will ever realize. Even if some of these people do not have the same mindset as you, they still want to support you.
Terrorism and hate is disgusting and these kind of attacks need to be stopped.
But as to the social injustice you speak of-
Unfortunately there will always be ignorant bigots in this world, against all types of people who are different than them. Do not become their victim, and do not give them the power to make you as bad as them.
I'm a woman. I work in an overwhelmingly male dominated career. And I work an average of 52 hours per week. When I was younger I heard comments about my skirt, my heels, jokes about "how did she get this position". I didn't go home and cry, I worked harder. I was determined to be more successful than them, and to have them all working for me. Now I'm a mother and I hear "I don't understand how a mother can do this job" "when do you have time to cook?" - these are always said jokingly, but it's sad to me that in 2016 some men still think this way.
I walk across the street to Starbucks and some idiot will whistle or say "Hey baby" out of his car. These are idiots. I can't hate all men because of a few ignorant ones.
The point is- inequality does exist. You're correct. But you can let it beat you down, or you can use it to fuel you to be better.
As for rights- fight for them. But don't let it turn you into the same ugliness you are fighting against.
And when a tragedy happens and everyone is showing love and support- Don't kick and sneer, and insult the people who are trying to help you. We are all on the same side in this war on terror.
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JohnD
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Agree. I could be wrong but my general sense is that the majority of the American population isn't gay and it's frankly not part of their thought process.. Yet, because of this horrific event, the entire country is in solidarity with the victims and community of Orlando. That speaks volumes. So, please, allow those who don't understand anything about the gay community to grieve with you. Maybe it will bridge a gap . It's a beginning.
BrerJon
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Sadly there were two Disney Cast Members and two Universal Team Members among the victims.
JKdaydreamer
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Cast member here: we received communication from George Kalogridis letting us know about cast locations to donate blood and offering counseling to anyone who needed it on the day of the attacks.
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