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Disneyland's Rise Of The Resistance - Reviews, Criticism, Deep Thoughts
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chadwpalm
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While I agree with most of your points, I think you overestimate the tourism of mid-January. While individuals with deeper pockets will spring to fly or drive out to see the attraction, there probably won't be many "family" vacations during that time as most people did them over the holiday breaks.I love how optimistic everyone here is about getting a Boarding Group! Just wake up the family at 4 am, get on the freeway by 5 am, get to the front gate at 6 am, and you'are almost guaranteed a Boarding Group for 8pm that night!
That said, I think we are underestimating how few people per day are being allowed to get a Boarding Group reservation. It's a tiny minority of the daily attendance. From reading and monitoring the insanely detailed thread over on the DHS forum for the last month, several respectable insiders and smartniks have come up with the following figures;
Max Hourly Capacity of Resistance Ride = 1500 riders per hour (slightly less than Radiator Racers, or about half of Pirates)
Current Hourly Capacity of Resistance Ride = 1000 riders per hour (purposely running fewer cars than designed to improve overall reliability and shorten downtimes when they do happen)
Current Hourly Boarding Groups Distribution = 800 riders per hour (to accommodate for regular daily breakdowns)
So let's just assume they will start out the same way at Disneyland and run it like that for at least the first month or three. 800 Boarding Group reservations per hour over a 16 hour operating day (8am to Midnight) is 14,800 Boarding Group ressies per day.
But let's just go super optimistic and say they give out 15,000 Boarding Group ressies each day at Disneyland.
15,000 people is nothing. That's the amount of tourists staying in only 25% of the 25,000 hotel rooms in the Anaheim Resort District. 15,000 is the amount of people who can park each day in just the 6,500 new parking spaces of the Pixar Pals Structure, assuming 2.5 people per car. 15,000 is about 18% of the daily Resort attendance on the average Saturday with 85,000 people in both parks, or 15% of the daily Resort attendance on the average busy holiday with 100,000 people in both parks. 15,000 riders per day is a ridiculously small fraction of the daily paid customers.
Sure, the tourists staying nearby will learn to set their alarms and storm the gates each morning at 7am, and the childless AP's will relive their college days and pull an all-nighter to be at the parking structure at 5am. But even a big chunk of those two demographics still might not get a Boarding Group if they stop at the Downtown Disney Starbucks.
I mention this not because I am worried about any of us here in this thread, we'll set our alarms for 4am and figure it out like we always do. But I mention this because I think this is going to be a very rude awakening for the vast population of Southern California, or any tourist who isn't leaving their hotel room on their expensive vacation by 6am. There will be a lot of disappointment this winter and spring.
This Resistance ride Boarding Group process is going to rewrite the playbook on how people use Disneyland as a leisure destination. Expect rants and tears and a new round of lawsuits from the SoCal DAS community.
No Name
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While some of those numbers are incorrect, you make a valid point. And Disneyland gets nearly twice as many visitors as DHS, so it’ll be interesting to see if boarding groups run out even faster. On the positive end, in Disneyland, at least there are plenty of other solid attractions with reasonable wait times for regular guests who don’t get to ride.I love how optimistic everyone here is about getting a Boarding Group! Just wake up the family at 4 am, get on the freeway by 5 am, get to the front gate at 6 am, and you'are almost guaranteed a Boarding Group for 8pm that night!
That said, I think we are underestimating how few people per day are being allowed to get a Boarding Group reservation. It's a tiny minority of the daily attendance. From reading and monitoring the insanely detailed thread over on the DHS forum for the last month, several respectable insiders and smartniks have come up with the following figures;
Max Hourly Capacity of Resistance Ride = 1500 riders per hour (slightly less than Radiator Racers, or about half of Pirates)
Current Hourly Capacity of Resistance Ride = 1000 riders per hour (purposely running fewer cars than designed to improve overall reliability and shorten downtimes when they do happen)
Current Hourly Boarding Groups Distribution = 800 riders per hour (to accommodate for regular daily breakdowns)
So let's just assume they will start out the same way at Disneyland and run it like that for at least the first month or three. 800 Boarding Group reservations per hour over a 16 hour operating day (8am to Midnight) is 14,800 Boarding Group ressies per day.
But let's just go super optimistic and say they give out 15,000 Boarding Group ressies each day at Disneyland.
15,000 people is nothing. That's the amount of tourists staying in only 25% of the 25,000 hotel rooms in the Anaheim Resort District. 15,000 is the amount of people who can park each day in just the 6,500 new parking spaces of the Pixar Pals Structure, assuming 2.5 people per car. 15,000 is about 18% of the daily Resort attendance on the average Saturday with 85,000 people in both parks, or 15% of the daily Resort attendance on the average busy holiday with 100,000 people in both parks. 15,000 riders per day is a ridiculously small fraction of the daily paid customers.
Sure, the tourists staying nearby will learn to set their alarms and storm the gates each morning at 7am, and the childless AP's will relive their college days and pull an all-nighter to be at the parking structure at 5am. But even a big chunk of those two demographics still might not get a Boarding Group if they stop at the Downtown Disney Starbucks.
I mention this not because I am worried about any of us here in this thread, we'll set our alarms for 4am and figure it out like we always do. But I mention this because I think this is going to be a very rude awakening for the vast population of Southern California, or any tourist who isn't leaving their hotel room on their expensive vacation by 6am. There will be a lot of disappointment this winter and spring.
This Resistance ride Boarding Group process is going to rewrite the playbook on how people use Disneyland as a leisure destination. Expect rants and tears and a new round of lawsuits from the SoCal DAS community.
Animaniac93-98
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George Lucas on a Bench
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I suppose all those people who don't get to join a boarding group can do Millennium Falcon instead.
From our experience, between 9-9:30 we got boarding group 19 which was ready around noontime, but an unexpected downtime delayed us another hour and a half after waiting in line. We didn't get on until around 2:30 or so.
From our experience, between 9-9:30 we got boarding group 19 which was ready around noontime, but an unexpected downtime delayed us another hour and a half after waiting in line. We didn't get on until around 2:30 or so.
THE 1HAPPY HAUNT
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Not hard to believe its just not something i am used to it. i am old school. i am used to buying a ticket and going to the gate and they let you right in. do they do this picture thing at the gate or at the security bag check thing? i am just curious since this was not the way last time i went.
THE 1HAPPY HAUNT
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so...you're telling me there's a chance? YES!!!!!!!!! I hear ya. I think it is safe to say though that all the Disney bloggers somehow some way like Justin Scared Adam the too old for a tongue ring, etc will all get opening day boarding passes. some of them got them on opening day in florida now they will be there for the disneyland preimere while the other thousands who have not been on the ride before will miss out.I love how optimistic everyone here is about getting a Boarding Group! Just wake up the family at 4 am, get on the freeway by 5 am, get to the front gate at 6 am, and you'are almost guaranteed a Boarding Group for 8pm that night!
That said, I think we are underestimating how few people per day are being allowed to get a Boarding Group reservation. It's a tiny minority of the daily attendance. From reading and monitoring the insanely detailed thread over on the DHS forum for the last month, several respectable insiders and smartniks have come up with the following figures;
Max Hourly Capacity of Resistance Ride = 1500 riders per hour (slightly less than Radiator Racers, or about half of Pirates)
Current Hourly Capacity of Resistance Ride = 1000 riders per hour (purposely running fewer cars than designed to improve overall reliability and shorten downtimes when they do happen)
Current Hourly Boarding Groups Distribution = 800 riders per hour (to accommodate for regular daily breakdowns)
So let's just assume they will start out the same way at Disneyland and run it like that for at least the first month or three. 800 Boarding Group reservations per hour over a 16 hour operating day (8am to Midnight) is 14,800 Boarding Group ressies per day.
But let's just go super optimistic and say they give out 15,000 Boarding Group ressies each day at Disneyland.
15,000 people is nothing. That's the amount of tourists staying in only 25% of the 25,000 hotel rooms in the Anaheim Resort District. 15,000 is the amount of people who can park each day in just the 6,500 new parking spaces of the Pixar Pals Structure, assuming 2.5 people per car. 15,000 is about 18% of the daily Resort attendance on the average Saturday with 85,000 people in both parks, or 15% of the daily Resort attendance on the average busy holiday with 100,000 people in both parks. 15,000 riders per day is a ridiculously small fraction of the daily paid customers.
Sure, the tourists staying nearby will learn to set their alarms and storm the gates each morning at 7am, and the childless AP's will relive their college days and pull an all-nighter to be at the parking structure at 5am. But even a big chunk of those two demographics still might not get a Boarding Group if they stop at the Downtown Disney Starbucks.
I mention this not because I am worried about any of us here in this thread, we'll set our alarms for 4am and figure it out like we always do. But I mention this because I think this is going to be a very rude awakening for the vast population of Southern California, or any tourist who isn't leaving their hotel room on their expensive vacation by 6am. There will be a lot of disappointment this winter and spring.
This Resistance ride Boarding Group process is going to rewrite the playbook on how people use Disneyland as a leisure destination. Expect rants and tears and a new round of lawsuits from the SoCal DAS community.
The way it's been going at DHS it's really more about how much space is available past the turnstiles to hold the pre-dawn crowds before the park opens. It's a process dictated by square footage in the entry area, not the total of daily or annual attendance.
Once you've scanned into the park and they've turned on the App for the day you can join a Boarding Group, and from recent memory and a glance at Google Earth it would seem that DHS and Disneyland both have roughly the same amount of square footage in their Town Square and Main Street/Hollywood Blvd. "opening act" entrance areas.
You're on vacation! Smile! This is fun! Get a Boarding Group Ahora!
That tells me that the rate at which Boarding Groups book out won't be much faster at Disneyland than it already is at DHS; roughly 60 to 90 minutes after the App allows folks inside the park to grab one. The vastly higher annual attendance at Disneyland won't have much impact on that early morning process I don't think.
That said, please feel free to correct any of those basic stats I'm using here. Particularly the grand total of about 15,000 Boarding Group reservations available per day at Disneyland's 8am to Midnight operation.
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THE 1HAPPY HAUNT
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That's a lot of neck beards...mother of godThe way it's been going at DHS it's really more about how much space is available past the turnstiles to hold the pre-dawn crowds before the park opens. It's a process dictated by square footage in the entry area, not the total of daily or annual attendance.
Once you've scanned into the park and they've turned on the App for the day you can join a Boarding Group, and from recent memory and a glance at Google Earth it would seem that DHS and Disneyland both have roughly the same amount of square footage in their Town Square and Main Street/Hollywood Blvd. "opening act" entrance areas.
You're on vacation! Smile! This is fun! Get a Boarding Group Ahora!
That tells me that the rate at which Boarding Groups book out won't be much faster at Disneyland than it already is at DHS; roughly 60 to 90 minutes after the App allows folks inside the park to grab one. The vastly higher annual attendance at Disneyland won't have much impact on that early morning process I don't think.
That said, please feel free to correct any of those basic stats I'm using here. Particularly the grand total of about 15,000 Boarding Group reservations available per day at Disneyland's 8am to Midnight operation.
Phroobar
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Don't forget the Simpsons ride where they stick you in multiple little rooms before you get to the ride.
BubbaQuest
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The way it's been going at DHS it's really more about how much space is available past the turnstiles to hold the pre-dawn crowds before the park opens. It's a process dictated by square footage in the entry area, not the total of daily or annual attendance.
Once you've scanned into the park and they've turned on the App for the day you can join a Boarding Group, and from recent memory and a glance at Google Earth it would seem that DHS and Disneyland both have roughly the same amount of square footage in their Town Square and Main Street/Hollywood Blvd. "opening act" entrance areas.
You're on vacation! Smile! This is fun! Get a Boarding Group Ahora!
People are already at DL for rope drop for other things (gotta get on Peter Pan). I can't imagine trying to squeeze through the 2 tunnels at open time once RotR opens.
BrianLo
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It absolutely killed attendance though. Those were some of the lightest days Disneyland has had in years.
When people know well in advance they aren't getting in, they really stayed away.
When was the last time you went? You can’t be so old school that you have to ask this happens at the security bag check instead of the gate. No one looks at your ticket at bag check. Disney moved the bag check to the parking lot many years ago. So you probably haven’t been to Disneyland for a decade?
THE 1HAPPY HAUNT
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its been some years but again i am asking because obviously things have changes since i last went so there is no way for me to know if this is something they do at bag check or not since last time i went
1. i went through bag check
2. went to the gate
3. gate scanned my pre-purchased ticket and let me right in with NO PICTURE TAKEN & NO EXCHANGE OF MY TICKET FOR ANOTHER TICKET
So if not you can someone else then please be courteous enough to explain the modern day process so I don't have to watch a vlogger you tube video on the subject? it would be most appreciated, especially with out the attitude.
George Lucas on a Bench
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Just like what happened when they opened DCA in 2001.
chadwpalm
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I'm pretty sure they only take your pic if you have a multi-day ticket and are going in for the first time on that ticket. Same with the first entry with a new AP. Single-day tix don't do pictures.
THE 1HAPPY HAUNT
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OK AWESOME. THANK YOU. MUCH APPRECIATED
SuddenStorm
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I thought they do pictures for every ticket? I know for sure they do for 1 day park hoppers.
THE 1HAPPY HAUNT
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oh ok. thanks for the info. i appreciate it.