Disney(World) vs. Disney(land)?

[wm49rs]

Does anyone know how to think anymore? Just wow!

Again, I am saying Disney is not against a successful Legoland. They do not mind viable competition. That DOES NOT mean they will not react to it and counter-program. If the mouse wanted to they could have turned all of the parks in central Florida into a Splendid China dust bowl years and years ago.

So again, Disney wants successful competitors because it wants a thriving central Florida tourist industry that remains the standard on the globe. But that does not mean they intend to just sit idle and not contribute to the cause.

I can't make it any plainer for you.

First you howl from the belfry that FLE is most definitely a response to Legoland, against the statements of everyone here. Then you proclaim that (and I directly quote, no editing necessary), "I contend that Disney is not overly concerned with Universal and Sea World and Legoland being successful." So which is it? Were they reacting to Legoland when they put the FLE into effect, or do they not really give a tinker's dime about it?

I can't imagine why anyone would think you enjoy living in the hindsight, when it makes all of your past prattle easier to explain in the present.....

 

[marni1971]

I have no doubt that those that have their bonuses impacted might have a problem with lower numbers even if temporary. But the big cheese (and those that matter) prefer ever increasing numbers arriving at MCO.

I should also have added it came from Burbank as well as Orlando..

jt... you really leave yourself open on these boards. But I do enjoy reading your posts. As you know.

 

[ParentsOf4]

This post is exactly right and is a great summation of what I have been saying. A rising tide DOES lift all boats. And Disney needs for Central Florida to be perceived as the tourist mecca it is to succeed in the long run. When the competition thrives it defines WIN-WIN.

WOW! 50 million? Never new that. THAT is amazing. Sounds like someone knows what they are doing.

I don't know what rising tide you're talking about.

According to figures from Themed Entertainment Association (TEA), attendance at Universal from 2009 (the last full year without WWOHP) to 2011 (the first full year with WWOHP) was up 35%, an amazing 66% at Islands of Adventure. Meanwhile, combined attendance at WDW's 4 theme parks was down 0.1% during the same period. I don't know what tide you think is lifting the WDW boat.

When the competition increases attendance by 35% and your attendance declines by 0.1%, it's time to panic.

 

[jt04]

First you howl from the belfry that FLE is most definitely a response to Legoland, against the statements of everyone here. Then you proclaim that (and I directly quote, no editing necessary), "I contend that Disney is not overly concerned with Universal and Sea World and Legoland being successful." So which is it? Were they reacting to Legoland when they put the FLE into effect, or do they not really give a tinker's dime about it?

I can't imagine why anyone would think you enjoy living in the hindsight, when it makes all of your past prattle easier to explain in the present.....

You are amazing. Do you even read a posting before reacting? Responding to the competition is not the same as trying to bury the competition.

Disney wants a successful tourist industry in central Florida. It does not help them to bury all of their competitors which they could if the choose to. They do not choose to because it would be a poor long term strategy.

IMO.

 

[M.rudolf]

I have no doubt that those that have their bonuses impacted might have a problem with lower numbers even if temporary. But the big cheese (and those that matter) prefer ever increasing numbers arriving at MCO.

This makes absolutely no sense they could have continued increase by investment all across the board. You have to spend money to make money. You can't tell me TDO intentionally tanked their numbers. Not only is that a dumb statement, if anyone at the company said that they be looking for another job. Could you imagine sitting in the board room when someone says that

 

[wm49rs]

You are amazing. Do you even read a posting before reacting? Responding to the competition is not the same as trying to bury the competition.

Disney wants a successful tourist industry in central Florida. It does not help them to bury all of their competitors which they could if the choose to. They do not choose to because it would be a poor long term strategy.

IMO.

And changing your tune is not the same as....no, no, it's still changing your tune. Or modifying your position, or never admitting that your were wrong (especially where the FLE was concerned). But you keep on blaming others for not having the same in(hind)sight that you have....

 

[M.rudolf]

This makes absolutely no sense they could have continued increase by investment all across the board. You have to spend money to make money. You can't tell me TDO intentionally tanked their numbers. Not only is that a dumb statement, if anyone at the company said that they be looking for another job. Could you imagine sitting in the board room when someone says that

Where' are the tourists they are down .5 percent over the last 2 years once numbers begin to slip its very hard to get them to go back up.

 

[jt04]

I don't know what rising tide you're talking about.

According to figures from Themed Entertainment Association (TEA), attendance at Universal from 2009 (the last full year without WWOHP) to 2011 (the first full year with WWOHP) was up 35%, an amazing 66% at Islands of Adventure. Meanwhile, combined attendance at WDW's 4 theme parks was down 0.1% during the same period. I don't know what tide you think is lifting the WDW boat.

When the competition increases attendance by 35% and your attendance declines by 0.1%, it's time to panic.

Could you kindly translate these percentages into actual numbers of people? It would be very helpful to the average reader.

Disney's numbers are flat for the reasons I mentioned over and over and over again. They would have been much worse had potter not been built. The poor economy would have guaranteed that.

As Uni, WDW and SW add content the numbers of tourists flocking to Orlando will continue to rise. Like a rising tide.

There will be no panic.

 

[disneyflush]

And us 'wittle fanbois only had park maps and Disney News magazines to try and figure out what new amazing things were coming ... strange thing is, though, they did ... they always did.

Now, we have all these wonderful tools to allow us to sit on our as they get larger by the day, yet Disney doesn't wow like it once did.

Oh, and I remember as a kid our first microwave took up like one third of the surface space on our kitchen counter ... it was huge. and getting my first VCR back in 1985 and it lasted until like 8 years ago too!

When I was a kid the only way to look at Disney pictures was in our trip photos or the big yearbook style Disney books you could buy at the park with big glossy pictures. The only way to learn about new attactrations was by showing up and looking for them. When MGM was built it felt so....alive. It felt like an actual working studio that let you peek into that world.

BTW, do you remember the first VCR's that had the remote control that connected to the VCR with the long wire? Seemed so futuristic as a kid that we could change things without getting up from the couch.

 

[jt04]

Where' are the tourists they are down .5 percent over the last 2 years once numbers begin to slip its very hard to get them to go back up.

Wrong. WDW has seen drops before. Get back to me after the FLE opens with this prediction.

 

[jt04]

And changing your tune is not the same as....no, no, it's still changing your tune. Or modifying your position, or never admitting that your were wrong (especially where the FLE was concerned). But you keep on blaming others for not having the same in(hind)sight that you have....

I still believe the FLE was mostly a reaction to Legoland. An MK expansion was necessary and inevitable. Legoland decided the content. Otherwise I think we would have gotten the rumored Frontierland and Adventureland projects sooner. And maybe a PH in Fantasyland.

 

[M.rudolf]

You are amazing. Do you even read a posting before reacting? Responding to the competition is not the same as trying to bury the competition.

Disney wants a successful tourist industry in central Florida. It does not help them to bury all of their competitors which they could if the choose to. They do not choose to because it would be a poor long term strategy.

IMO.

You can't bury the competition when they hold the shovel at this point Disney is reactive instead of proactive. They are playing catchup. It would cost way too much money to bury universal at this point. Do you Honestly think they like being number 2 in innovation. Do you honestly think they like having empty hotel rooms and low numbers.

 

[wm49rs]

I still believe the FLE was mostly a reaction to Legoland. An MK expansion was necessary and inevitable. Legoland decided the content. Otherwise I think we would have gotten the rumored Frontierland and Adventureland projects sooner. And maybe a PH in Fantasyland.

And you would still be wrong, as everyone (up to and including Steve), has told you the plans for FLE were in the works well before Legoland was even thought of in Florida. But don't let the facts get in your way. I'm sure everyone else was just wrong, as is par for your particular course....

 

[ParentsOf4]

Could you kindly translate these percentages into actual numbers of people? It would be very helpful to the average reader.

Disney's numbers are flat for the reasons I mentioned over and over and over again. They would have been much worse had potter not been built. The poor economy would have guaranteed that.

As Uni, WDW and SW add content the numbers of tourists flocking to Orlando will continue to rise. Like a rising tide.

There will be no panic.

WDW's attendance has not yet plummeted because of the endless stream of "Free Dining" promotions they've fed the public for the last few years. WDW has been placed on the discount rack (you know, the one where they double the price and then advertise 50% off) and, after several years of this, the public is growing tired. All they see is that a vacation this year with "Free Dining" will cost 10% more than the exact same vacation with "Free Dining" last year (and 10% more than the year before that).

Universal has shown that the public will pay more (Universal's ticket prices are way up since 2008) if they are given something new and exciting. As indicated by WDW1974, Disney management is only now figuring that out.

In the business world, it's all about trends. When the competition's numbers are growing and your numbers are declining, it's time to panic.

 

[M.rudolf]

WDW's attendance has not yet plummeted because of the endless stream of "Free Dining" promotions they've fed the public for the last few years. WDW has been placed on the discount rack (you know, the one where they double the prices and then advertise 50% off) and, after several years of this, the public is growing tired. All they see is that a vacation this year with "Free Dining" will cost 10% more than the exact same vacation with "Free Dining" last year (and 10% more than the year before that).

Universal has shown that the public will pay more (Universal's ticket prices are way up since 2008) if they are given something new and exciting. As indicated by WDW1974, Disney management is only now figuring that out.

In the business world, it's all about trends. When the competition's numbers are growing and your numbers are declining, it's time to panic.

Thank you I agree you can only increases prices for so long before people realize they are paying more and getting less

 

[jt04]

You can't bury the competition when they hold the shovel at this point Disney is reactive instead of proactive. They are playing catchup. It would cost way too much money to bury universal at this point. Do you Honestly think they like being number 2 in innovation. Do you honestly think they like having empty hotel rooms and low numbers.

They could have buried Uni years ago as I said. They obviously do not want to. I have said why Disney has put WDW on the back burner until now. There is no panic at TWDC. They had to fix bigger issues first. The FLE begins the WDW turnaround. The mouse is smarter and more aware of the situation than anyone here. So just make this a learning experience of how not to panic.

 

[jt04]

WDW's attendance has not yet plummeted because of the endless stream of "Free Dining" promotions they've fed the public for the last few years. WDW has been placed on the discount rack (you know, the one where they double the price and then advertise 50% off) and, after several years of this, the public is growing tired. All they see is that a vacation this year with "Free Dining" will cost 10% more than the exact same vacation with "Free Dining" last year (and 10% more than the year before that).

Universal has shown that the public will pay more (Universal's ticket prices are way up since 2008) if they are given something new and exciting. As indicated by WDW1974, Disney management is only now figuring that out.

In the business world, it's all about trends. When the competition's numbers are growing and your numbers are declining, it's time to panic.

Again I ask you to put real numbers up between Uni and WDW. Tourist for tourist, occupancy rates vs occupancy rates, revenue dollars vs revenue dollars. Thank you.

There is no panic.

 

[jt04]

And you would still be wrong, as everyone (up to and including Steve), has told you the plans for FLE were in the works well before Legoland was even thought of in Florida. But don't let the facts get in your way. I'm sure everyone else was just wrong, as is par for your particular course....

Dude they have hundreds of plans. When they need to react they take out the portfolio and start making decisions. A bit of tweaking here and there to bring the plans into the current decade and magically you get a plan.

They have invested heavily in that portfolio. You can bet they use it.

 

[M.rudolf]

They could have buried Uni years ago as I said. They obviously do not want to. I have said why Disney has put WDW on the back burner until now. There is no panic at TWDC. They had to fix bigger issues first. The FLE begins the WDW turnaround. The mouse is smarter and more aware of the situation than anyone here. So just make this a learning experience of how not to panic.

Raising prices and lowering quality is the first sign of panic. There is no way Disney is not in panic mode. The decline in service,lack of maintenance and all around lack of accountability show otherwise. No company plans on playing catchup. It's not in the company or shareholders best interests. I agree the mouse is smarter but does anyone listen to him anymore.

 

[wm49rs]

Dude they have hundreds of plans. When they need to react they take out the portfolio and start making decisions. A bit of tweaking here and there to bring the plans into the current decade and magically you get a plan.

They have invested heavily in that portfolio. You can bet they use it.

Just too bad they weren't reacting to Legoland though, now isn't it?

But you keep thinking that they were. Fits into your grand theories better that way, I suppose.....