Disney(World) vs. Disney(land)?

Kuhio

Well-Known Member
I'm more interested in what Kate Austin has been up to ... and Juliet ... oh, does my heart bleed for her.
Kate apparently got her head caught in a mechanical rice picker*, and had to move to Middle Earth. (There is a helfy healthy resemblance to Liv Tyler, no?)

And I found Miles Straume at the Norway pavilion at Epcot -- he's been helping me figure out what a Spirit's saying.

*Five bars of gold-pressed latinum to the first person who gets the reference.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I think I'm using social media quite effectively because my message spreads beyond simply the community here, but to other parts of the fan community and to parts of the company and industry.

You are an active voice in an established community with credibility. It sounds like your concerns are not with a social media strategy, but rather questioning the credibility or impact of random mommy blogger.

I take you back to the product review analogy. You don't follow anyone on amazon or tripadvisor, etc.. you take the reviews in and try to determine their credibility based on their content and maybe some metrics the platform offers (# of followers, rating, etc). Social media strategies can include 'ground swell' and not just chasing key influencers. In fact, one of the key ways to combat unfriendly influencers is to simply flood their message out. And that's exactly what they are doing - going for volume.

But a Mommy Blogger in New Jersey has a limited audience ... as does a fanboi podcaster in NYC ... or a blogger in O-Town

But they can still be google hits.. and really how many of WDW's potential audience do you really believe would flock to a site like WDWMagic, or Inside the Magic first... vs typing a term into a search box and start walking the hits.

I think you have points about how much they may invest in a signal, insignificant blogger, but in doing so you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater and damning all social media as a waste. That is a very old media type of position where they believe only the voices they trust, count.

I don't see their reach going nearly as far as mine (and other strong voices in the fan community), and I am saying that without a trace of ego. Just what I am told by others.

But the mommy bloggers out number you.. and for the random potential customer... seeing 50 different sites all repeating a positive message.. vs one random forum poster.. your credibility and impact is measured in a very small window.. and weighed against a tidal wave of contrary opinions. In most cases, the less informed the reader is, the more likely the 'mob opinion' will win over the contrary opinion.

The mom's panel isn't there to sway the industry or diehards... it's to feed the message to the up and coming customers and help upsell those on the fence.

Disney is using carpet bombing.. and empowering smaller, more easily influenced sources. They are trying to make them champions.. so they can go forth and spread the company line. They are not trying to build up people to be new influential writers. They are taking the power of many, over trying to build a few.

It's just another marketing strategy... be it if you were pursing radio vs print vs tv. Using affiliates to echo your message instead of direct marketing is not anything radical. It's just using a new network and with a new type of affiliate.
 

Todd H

Well-Known Member
Kate apparently got her head caught in a mechanical rice picker*, and had to move to Middle Earth. (There is a helfy healthy resemblance to Liv Tyler, no?)

And I found Miles Straume at the Norway pavilion at Epcot -- he's been helping me figure out what a Spirit's saying.

*Five bars of gold-pressed latinum to the first person who gets the reference.

The City on the Edge of Forever.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
One of those is very likely as part of DL's upcoming massive T-land project.

Please keep dropping hints like that! It's making my summer better.

Now that DCA has not only been fixed, but has come roaring from behind to suddenly be one of the best "second parks" in the Disney empire, Disneyland's Tomorrowland is the glaring blemish on the face of the Anaheim resort. It needs to be fixed. Like DCA a few years ago, it has a random collection of some very popular and quality attractions (Space Mt., Star Tours, Buzz Lightyear, Autopia, Submarines) but it's a cosmetic mess and a logistical nightmare with a few turkeys sucking up space and energy (Astro Orbiter in the way, Captain EO not getting better with age, Innoventions just being stupid).

Tomorrowland needs a mini-DCA treatment where they go in and surgically remove the cancer, but save the succesful parts and then give it a new cosmetic surface to tie it all together. Open it up by July 17th, 2015 with a really fun new E Ticket no one has ever seen before, and you've got a hit on your hands. Just like they did this summer with DCA.
 

scpergj

Well-Known Member
Not enough money. A billion isn't enough.

I'd start with simple basics. More money on cleanliness and upkeep and some fresh entertainment, even live UNIONIZED musicians and show quality. Then smaller things like stage shows and parades that add a fresh feeling ... then, well, I'd probably take the two parks with the biggest needs (EPCOT and Studios) and see what WDI could offer for what I had left.

But WDW has been so neglected and is so stale that I really think a billion would be just a drop in the bucket ... I think the parks alone need close to $500 million to a billion EACH ... then you need a few billion for infrastructure like monorail expansion, road and bridge and electrical work etc. It is a daunting number.

And wouldn't have been needed if they say in 1997 they didn't just stop doing the basics ... and kept investing beyond timeshares, hotels and the very occassional attraction.

Yes....live musicians...

I remember as a young high school (and DCI) marching band (drum corps) guy watching Future Corps at EPCOT Center. Now that my son is a freshman in high school AND in marching band (no corps for him - he's a saxophone guy with no percussion ability....I'm a clarinet and saxophone guy that was good enough on drums to play) I'd love to show him something a bit cool and different...something other than some guys beating on random peices of cleaning equipment for entertainment. We do love to hear the saxophone quartet that is sometimes out on Main Street, but a real marching band for flag retreat would be nice, as well as marching in the daytime parades. Funny thing is the two of those could even have a bunch of musician overlap - they wouldn't necessarily have to spend money on two different groups, just use one pool of musicians and use them in both parks.

off my musical soap box now.....
 

scpergj

Well-Known Member
Last visits:

WDW: March 2012;
DLR: January 2012;
DLP: May 2012;
TDR: December 2010;
HKDL: December 2010;
DCL voyage: April 2010;

Last visits (we are seasonal AP's...):

All WDW - October 2011
November 2011
December 2011
February 2012
March 2012
April 2012

Future visits:
September 2012
October 2012 (twice)

then we're out for a year....HOWEVER...

in planning stages, June 2013....DLR!!! Road trip - driving Jacksonville to LA, then San Diego....then whatever on the way back. Me, SWMBO, our son (he'll be 15), and our daughter (she'll be 11), in our little Honda minivan...
 

CBOMB

Active Member
You and I gotta talk again soon!!!

:)

(Been through Phil's trash this week?)


I realize that you are an International Jetsetter, and have a lot of irons in the fire right now, so I haven't called you lately. Let me know when you plan on calling, and I'll try to be sober. I can't promise that though.

You sure do start some worthless threads. I'm still back on page 16 of this thread. By the time I get caught up, WDW will probably have opened a 5th gate, and expanded the monorail system to all the Parks and Resort.

Phil wised up, and is double shredding everything that he puts out in his trash. Including the banana peels.
 

alissafalco

Well-Known Member
My family still really like the speedway (we still go on it every trip), but the one thing I ask is for them to convert it to electric/some other future power source to make it fit better into Tomorrowland - I would guess that it wouldn't cost them that much, and they could market it as a new attraction for Magic Kingdom for 2015... ;)

Totally agree, speedway isnt going anywhere. Kids love it and its a very popular attraction. The ride is very very dated and needs a major refurb for sure. The slow cars chugging along with fumes. Like you said update the cars to electric or solar powered, I would even take hybrid cars. They need to do something with them.
 

COProgressFan

Well-Known Member
Yes....live musicians...

I remember as a young high school (and DCI) marching band (drum corps) guy watching Future Corps at EPCOT Center. Now that my son is a freshman in high school AND in marching band (no corps for him - he's a saxophone guy with no percussion ability....I'm a clarinet and saxophone guy that was good enough on drums to play) I'd love to show him something a bit cool and different...something other than some guys beating on random peices of cleaning equipment for entertainment. We do love to hear the saxophone quartet that is sometimes out on Main Street, but a real marching band for flag retreat would be nice, as well as marching in the daytime parades. Funny thing is the two of those could even have a bunch of musician overlap - they wouldn't necessarily have to spend money on two different groups, just use one pool of musicians and use them in both parks.

off my musical soap box now.....

It's an awful shame how much live music has been eliminated at WDW over the years. Live musicians that marched in parades, performed in stage shows, provided ambiance in resorts, etc.

Apparently TDO decided about 10 or 15 years ago that using talented (unionized) live performers was just too expensive compared to foamheaded CP's dancing around for minimum wage (or canned music).

Fortunately DL management has been better about this.
 

CinematicFusion

Well-Known Member
Or we could subtitle this post: WDW is in dire trouble and they finally get that timeshares, data mining and cost-cutting won't be enough to cut it.

There's been a lot of chatter of late about WDW and its response to Potter (or lack thereof), but WDW no longer needs just a Potter Swatter or a Transformers Trasher ... and apparently the suits are starting to get VERY worried.

And, yes, that's why you've heard of grandiose plans to redo TPFKaTD-MGMS and drop part of Carsland in (actually as near as I can tell, it's simply RSRs, a shop, and a snack stand, but it could well be more and I don't know what has been proposed to whom at this point). ... Because of the Pandoran Delegations delays in bringing blue aliens to DAK, there's a strong push to get this done and started soon (like as soon as the next fiscal year) and have it open first.

Again, I really think this will be GOOD news down the road. But look for more cost cutting, penny pinching and cast and guest screwing until we get there!

From Iger...
"With most of the Fantasyland money spent, the Disney Fantasy cruise ship launched and the makeover of Disney California Adventure complete, "this will be the peak year for our capital expenditures in our domestic parks-and-resorts business," Iger said. "Going forward, we expect each one of these projects to deliver strong returns on invested capital that will exceed our hurdle rate and drive improvement in our overall returns.""

Doesn't sound like anything is about to happen for the next two years. I would be surprised if we hear anything during this fiscal year. I keep hearing Iger repeat this over and over. Sounds like they are letting the Disney Domestic Parks ride it out....unless when he says, "this will be the peak year for our capital expenditures in our domestic parks-and-resorts business", he means Avatar and the expansion to DHS is already in those expenditures.
Sounds like Iger really expects Fantasyland Expansion to do AMAZING business!
 

Scuttle

Well-Known Member
My family still really like the speedway (we still go on it every trip), but the one thing I ask is for them to convert it to electric/some other future power source to make it fit better into Tomorrowland - I would guess that it wouldn't cost them that much, and they could market it as a new attraction for Magic Kingdom for 2015... ;)

This!
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
...something other than some guys beating on random peices of cleaning equipment for entertainment.

Oh, don't get me started, I hate the sound of those guys....WHAT does banging on old-fashioned steel trashcans have to do with FUTURE WORLD???????

Anyway, I can at least enjoy Mulch, Sweat and Shears at DHS, they're quality and don't look too out of place.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
To be fair, we don't allow those parks to rot, the management does. I don't think anyone likes it when management does do things like that and it might be an example of their lack of vision, but I find it hard to argue the point with someone who says that Disney closed RC down to avoid guests possibly being killed by a brain-eating amoeba. For the record, I don't know whether that was the real reason why RC closed down but if it was, its a pretty compelling one. I did write to Disney a few years ago asking about River Country closing but never got a response. As for Discovery Island, I'm still waiting for the interactive Lost area I heard about a couple of years ago to be put there ;).

The RC tale is CM/Fanboi/internet/urban myth. I wish I didn't have to keep saying it ... but people keep spreading it ... like herpes!
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
About 4 hours. Hangs head in shame.

Once I started it on your first post I had to see where it went and then LM's guided tours came up and all hell broke loose. After 1100 individual posts I still don't understand how they allow this.

Very impressed. Either you are a speed reader or you did some skimming. I don't think I could go back and read that again ... unless it becomes part of a book of mine (oh, a real book ... not a fanboi/blogger deal!)
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
As to Mongello, the excuse that people have made is he has a TA's license in FLA so he is 'sanctioned' ... of course, that doesn't change the fact he is conducting a business on WDW property that competes with a Disney product ... like if I went into a Walmart and started selling socks because I am a sanctioned sock seller.
I could use some new socks, what makes your socks better than WalMart's socks?
 

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