Disney(World) vs. Disney(land)?

[devoy1701]

Nothing inappropriate to me ... and the mods would have taken your post away or said something if you had been.

But, yes, misinformation isn't fun.

I'm not even attempting to go back through the 4-5 pages I missed, so if someone had a question for me they're gonna have to repeat it. I just don't have the time to look for it.

drats. you missed out. Someone was trying to explain how TWDC would go bankrupt if they tried to "fix" WDW at the same time they were pumping $2B into P&R for the variety of projects already underway...despite the stock going up, Up, and UP before and after that announcement.

oh well.

 

[WDW1974]

I wonder why they don't serve square sausage with black pudding stuffing at Rose & Crown.... Sounds truly delicious!!!

I prefer the stuff I was served at the Biergarten at EPCOT ... and I REALLY loved the homemade stuff I had during my visit to Germany (even better than a Monday burrito) and none of it was square. I'm sure of that.

 

[WDW1974]

My lord, I just read that thread and that was nuts.

You read the whole thread? How long did it take?

 

[CinematicFusion]

From Iger...
"With most of the Fantasyland money spent, the Disney Fantasy cruise ship launched and the makeover of Disney California Adventure complete, "this will be the peak year for our capital expenditures in our domestic parks-and-resorts business," Iger said. "Going forward, we expect each one of these projects to deliver strong returns on invested capital that will exceed our hurdle rate and drive improvement in our overall returns.""

Doesn't sound like anything is about to happen for the next two years. I would be surprised if we hear anything during this fiscal year. I keep hearing Iger repeat this over and over. Sounds like they are letting the Disney Domestic Parks ride it out....unless when he says, "this will be the peak year for our capital expenditures in our domestic parks-and-resorts business", he means Avatar and the expansion to DHS is already in those expenditures.
Sounds like Iger really expects Fantasyland Expansion to do AMAZING business!

 

[WDW1974]

The thing is this was totally blasted by people on these forums. The photo aspect of it is a non-issue because the show itself is very well done. To me, it's a great entertainment addition, and the fact that they're regular updating it is a plus.

Not sure how we got there ... but while I LOVE the tech of MMY, it is wasted on the very bland show at WDW and having pics of tourists that you can't even make out makes it worse.

You need to visit HKDL during Halloween or see Dreams at DLP to see what this tech can really do.

It is wasted at WDW ... sorta like the TT ride system or the CTX ride system.

 

[CBOMB]

I have been saying this for years and all I got was ignored. The irony!

JT you probably have no idea how you make it easy to ignore anything you say.

 

[TalkingHead]

Give me a compelling reason why you need to know such details because this conversation is quickly becomming creepy.

Says the guy(?) who told me he's HAL from 2001 and is always watching me. I'm pretty sure you're the creepy one.

 

[WDW1974]

Which bit? DCAs amazing transformation that has actually swapped the dermo across the Espalande? Or the fact it isn't finished yet? Or the HUGE E Ticket for DLs Tland AND the possibility of a similar attraction in Fronland? Or another totally new daytime parade? Or 2 different regular firework shows playable at the same time? Or the fact the fields are really on life support?

Or the problems in the MK I listed earlier, along with an incomplete SSE, dated Energy, underfunded Wonders, disgusting Imagination and Odyssey, lacklustre, themetically chanllanged but cheap n cheerful Seas? Stagnating Innoventions? Crumbling Fountain of Nations infrastructure? France's wonderful but 30 year old film? RoEs continually mothballed upgrades or replacements? For starters.

Edit- for balance, I am on record for half of SSE, the HM, and the HoP.

Good start.

But I don't see how Disney fans are so quick to allow entire parks like RC and DI to rot and go back to nature ... or like PI be bulldozed for grass and mulch and not see a fundamental lack of vision amongst management.

 

[WDW1974]

Dear god.

I'm sorry, Lee isn't here at the moment ... can I take a message?

 

[WDW1974]

Yeah, what's going on with the monorails out there? What exactly is the problem?

They forgot who a guy named Bob Gurr was ... and ignorantly thought they could build anything. ... Well, they look good!

 

[DisneyWall-E]

This new stuff that "MAY" be comming, would the Monorail be part of that in any way?
Im going to guess, NO.

 

[fosse76]

Future visits:

DLR: September 2012;
WDW: October 2012;
DCL: Possibly April 2013;

The rest: ASAP!

A few years ago I went to DLR and then about two and a half weeks later went to WDW. At the time, it had been about 25 years since I'd been to Disneyland. I loved DLR. I was bored out of my mind when I arrived at WDW and couldn't wait to go home. This is the first time in five years where I have gone almost an entire year without having been to WDW (I was last there in December, not counting the day trip I took on Memorial Day during my Universal Orlando vacation). I've been to DLR twice this year, and am going again at the beginning of December. I do have a WDW trip planned for the end of September, but it's not generating anywhere near the level of excitement I feel abut going back to DLR.

 

[WDW1974]

WDW1974 and Martin, If you were given $600 million to do whatever you wanted in the WDW resort where do you spend the money? I would say $1 billion but I figure $600 million is closer to what actually might be allocated.

Not enough money. A billion isn't enough.

I'd start with simple basics. More money on cleanliness and upkeep and some fresh entertainment, even live UNIONIZED musicians and show quality. Then smaller things like stage shows and parades that add a fresh feeling ... then, well, I'd probably take the two parks with the biggest needs (EPCOT and Studios) and see what WDI could offer for what I had left.

But WDW has been so neglected and is so stale that I really think a billion would be just a drop in the bucket ... I think the parks alone need close to $500 million to a billion EACH ... then you need a few billion for infrastructure like monorail expansion, road and bridge and electrical work etc. It is a daunting number.

And wouldn't have been needed if they say in 1997 they didn't just stop doing the basics ... and kept investing beyond timeshares, hotels and the very occassional attraction.

 

[WDW1974]

drats. you missed out. Someone was trying to explain how TWDC would go bankrupt if they tried to "fix" WDW at the same time they were pumping $2B into P&R for the variety of projects already underway...despite the stock going up, Up, and UP before and after that announcement.

oh well.

Ah, the old 'you know nothing about business and WDW is a business that exists to increase shareholder value, yada, yada, yada' line ... yeah, I've heard that way too many times before and argued against it.

 

[WDW1974]

JT you probably have no idea how you make it easy to ignore anything you say.

You and I gotta talk again soon!!!



(Been through Phil's trash this week?)

 

[FrankLapidus]

Good start.

But I don't see how Disney fans are so quick to allow entire parks like RC and DI to rot and go back to nature ... or like PI be bulldozed for grass and mulch and not see a fundamental lack of vision amongst management.

To be fair, we don't allow those parks to rot, the management does. I don't think anyone likes it when management does do things like that and it might be an example of their lack of vision, but I find it hard to argue the point with someone who says that Disney closed RC down to avoid guests possibly being killed by a brain-eating amoeba. For the record, I don't know whether that was the real reason why RC closed down but if it was, its a pretty compelling one. I did write to Disney a few years ago asking about River Country closing but never got a response. As for Discovery Island, I'm still waiting for the interactive Lost area I heard about a couple of years ago to be put there .

 

[c-one]

To be fair, we don't allow those parks to rot, the management does. I don't think anyone likes it when management does do things like that and it might be an example of their lack of vision, but I find it hard to argue the point with someone who says that Disney closed RC down to avoid guests possibly being killed by a brain-eating amoeba. For the record, I don't know whether that was the real reason why RC closed down but if it was, its a pretty compelling one. I did write to Disney a few years ago asking about River Country closing but never got a response. As for Discovery Island, I'm still waiting for the interactive Lost area I heard about a couple of years ago to be put there .

Never mind Lost, I'm still waiting for the Myst mini-park.

 

[Ciciwoowoo]

Which bit? DCAs amazing transformation that has actually swapped the dermo across the Espalande? Or the fact it isn't finished yet? Or the HUGE E Ticket for DLs Tland AND the possibility of a similar attraction in Fronland? Or another totally new daytime parade? Or 2 different regular firework shows playable at the same time? Or the fact the fields are really on life support?

Or the problems in the MK I listed earlier, along with an incomplete SSE, dated Energy, underfunded Wonders, disgusting Imagination and Odyssey, lacklustre, themetically chanllanged but cheap n cheerful Seas? Stagnating Innoventions? Crumbling Fountain of Nations infrastructure? France's wonderful but 30 year old film? RoEs continually mothballed upgrades or replacements? For starters.

Edit- for balance, I am on record for half of SSE, the HM, and the HoP.

All of the above, please!

 

[disneyflush]

You read the whole thread? How long did it take?

About 4 hours. Hangs head in shame.

Once I started it on your first post I had to see where it went and then LM's guided tours came up and all hell broke loose. After 1100 individual posts I still don't understand how they allow this.

 

[djlaosc]

Autopia is going nowhere ... neither is the Speedway in MK.

Fans gots to get off that track. Kids love the attractions (driving still beats getting your first iPhone!) and so long as kids want to get behind the wheel you'll see these attractions.

And there's so much room in both parks, especially MK, for new additions and replacements that it gets tiresome hearing so much angst from fanbois who don't like seeing all 'that precious real estate being wasted' ... I haven't been on any Autopia version outside of HKDL in a good decade, but I understand why the attractions are there and why they (pun coming) oughta be for years to come!

My family still really like the speedway (we still go on it every trip), but the one thing I ask is for them to convert it to electric/some other future power source to make it fit better into Tomorrowland - I would guess that it wouldn't cost them that much, and they could market it as a new attraction for Magic Kingdom for 2015...