Disney(World) vs. Disney(land)?

jt04

Well-Known Member
Hey @jt04, sorry to point this out, but you're running out of excuses on the Space Mountain screwup. They didn't want to put a new coaster in that building because they want something that caters to everyone? The newer, better Space at DL that everyone loves has a 40" height requirement; the WDW version of Space has a 44" height requirement. WDW could have put the exact same coaster in and lowered the height requirement, making it more accessible to everyone. Don't even try to say that's not true, because nobody regulates like California and they still got it down to 40" over there.

So it wasn't to shift money to FLE, and it wasn't because a new one would be too thrilling... maybe they just didn't care enough to do it right?

Maybe someday some retired Imagineer will give us the real story. Until then we have to speculate.

What is not debateable is that whatever happened occured over the transition of the restructuring of park management.

I just threw out the idea that it could be possible they had decided it was too extreme for the MK. You have made a good case that may not be the case. No need to be hostile about it. We are here to discuss as this is a forum for that purpose.

So, I am still left with the idea they just did not want to lose the capacity that two tracks offer because they anticipated all the refurbs that were necessary. Perhaps you could compare the capacity of each ride and prove or disprove my theory. Then we are one more step towards the truth.

Even if you are right and it was just a total TDO fiasco it really is not important now as that management structure no longer exists. No sense crying ove spilled milk. I mean it really is time to move on don't you think?
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Well, I've just tried the Ignore feature for the first time. Not on jt either.

Things certainly got lively overnight!

Remember, some are talking like RSR is coming to DHS. So far as I know, it isn't at the moment. Its been on and off since 2009 but is off again ATM.

Great news and thanks for not putting me on ignore. That means a lot coming from you.:)
 

Grumpy36

Member
I'm hoping all the rumors from Spirit come true. MK, Epcot, and AK all need a new E-ticket each, and DHS needs at least two more with a lot of rethemeing. The main draw that WDW had growing up, other than the "magic and memories", was the constant addition and innovation of the rides and parks. That has stalled out for awhile now, with TDO removing more than adding. For them to draw people back to the parks more often, they need to have a slate full of inovative rides and experiences that make people want to come back. Here's hoping that TDA gets TDO whipped into shape!
 

SSE

Member
I am more of a lurker than an actual poster but when I logged onto my computer this morning I saw on the DIS that they had a story about "big spirited change". It is just everything that Spirit has been saying here, but I thought it was interesting that they created a blog title using his tagline and information he has shared here.
 

alissafalco

Well-Known Member
'74 mentioned a certain exec who got fired for cooking the books. We DVC members know for a fact that it was Jim Lewis. During his time at DVC, management tried to replace ceramic coffee mugs with styrofoam. All during a "green" campaign at DVC, and "going green" the lead story on the DVC member magazine. Member feedback was swift, and the styrofoam was taken away. Later Old Key West owners were pressured into buying another 15 years to extend their contracts. It was later said that Jim fumed over the low price original owners at OKW paid for their memberships, and as they could trade into higher priced DVC villas, they should pay the price.
He was also front and center at the opening of Aulani, which Al Lutz is now saying is in trouble. We DVC members smelled something fishy when sales of Aulani suddenly stopped, just when they had started. The next thing we read in the various forums is that Jim, and 2 others have left DVC, and Disney. Of course Jim now has a letter of recommendation from Disney, AND a retainer from Disney that puts him in an advisory position to the company.
Bay Lake Towers, another DVC add on is not without issues. Many members think it was built on the cheap, with villas already showing wear and tear much sooner than it should. DVC also had to redesign, and refurb villas recently because of member complaints. Is this TDO's fault? It might be, but I can't say as DVC is a different division than the parks. '74, or anyone else with more knowledge than I, is welcome to correct me on that. My take on any cheapening of DVC is an FLA based problem, and I will say why I think that.
I live in CA, and we go to DLR often, and now with our DVC membership, we stay for several nights. That's much different from before we were DVC members. Before we were 1 day visitors only. The Grand California DVC villas blow away anything the DVC villas in WDW have to offer. They are nicer, bigger, have more bathrooms per the larger villas, offer better services such as 24/ 7 room service, upscale gas grills, HD flat screen TV in the laundromat, high quality bath robes, and member perks that give members discounts on just about everything at DLR. Not so at WDW. Is that because TDA has a hand in the GC DVC? I don't know, but I think it is more likely the management of the GC has a hand in it. I do know that DLR's hotel division wanted nothing to do with DVC initially. I have no idea if that mindset has changed, but I can say this. The DVC at DLR has only 50 villas, and is booked when I try to get a villa. My home resort is Wilderness Lodge, so I can only book DLR DVC at 7 months out. Anything less, and the place is booked solid.
We haven't been to WDW in 2 years, and don't have any plans to go in the near future. We found that we can trade our DVC points for a 7 night cruise on the Disney Wonder here in CA. No Airfare, and meals included. We are basically trading a trip to WDW without paying for food, and not paying for park hoppers, or an AP.
'74, and many others dislike the expansion of DVC at WDW, I don't understand why because of my perspective of being a member. But I'll toss you a crumb of why we like the expansion of the DVC at WDW. It's the only new thing to experience at WDW.

Wow , this Jim Lewis guy sounds like such a jerk! I'm glad they got rid of him. Thanks for the info. I can't wait to make it out to Cali.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Didn't the original FLE have a meet and greet instead of the mine coaster? Wouldn't that mean the original plans had a lower budget? From people posting on this board I have heard that the mine coaster was downsized from its original plans, but the downsized mine coaster still has to be more expensive than a meet and greet.

The meet and greets were going to be pretty elaborate, so probably had a pretty high price tag. They also cut Pixie Hollow and re-allocated that money to the Mine Ride.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
The meet and greets were going to be pretty elaborate, so probably had a pretty high price tag. They also cut Pixie Hollow and re-allocated that money to the Mine Ride.

After seeing the concept for pete's sideshow I really wonder if they should not have stayed with PH. Perhaps they have a better idea and place for PH.
 

DisneyWall-E

Well-Known Member
After seeing the concept for pete's sideshow I really wonder if they should not have stayed with PH. Perhaps they have a better idea and place for PH.

I liked the idea of putting in Never Never Land and moving(updating) Peter Pans Flight there. Making room to add another ride in its place. Also, they could have Tinker Bell and her friends there too.
 

FrankLapidus

Well-Known Member
I liked the idea of putting in Never Never Land and moving(updating) Peter Pans Flight there. Making room to add another ride in its place. Also, they could have Tinker Bell and her friends there too.

I liked the idea of putting Neverland into that area too. Another idea I would have liked would have been Wonderland; you already have the Tea Cups in that area of the park and the theming could have been carried over into the space left by M'sTTF. Either way, I do like what they've done with the space and personally I would gladly take that over Pixie Hollow.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I'll go out on a limb. Things are brewing in all 4 parks, or at least the Worlds newest 3. Big things. Just call it a feeling in my water. No timeframe. Certainly not fast enough to counter what's planned at USF.

And nothing to make up for the TDO debacle that was Space Mountain. Or SSE. Or a hundred and one other things that could, should and were to have been better right now but aren't.
 

Buried20KLeague

Well-Known Member
No it was cheap and underhanded and you know it. No since trying to claim otherwise.

I've never seen someone so offended by their own words. I reposted what you said, with little to no editorial comment about them.

If, in your crazy world, that is "cheap and underhanded", then so be it. I disagree, and judging by the massive reaction, I'd guess most others do as well.

I stand by your words I posted. I think it's funny that you do NOT.
 

FrankLapidus

Well-Known Member
I'll go out on a limb. Things are brewing in all 4 parks, or at least the Worlds newest 3. Big things. Just call it a feeling in my water. No timeframe. Certainly not fast enough to counter what's planned at USF.

And nothing to make up for the TDO debacle that was Space Mountain. Or SSE. Or a hundred and one other things that could, should and were to have been better right now but aren't.

That's very good and exciting news if it does come to pass; sadly, you never know whether that will be the case with WDW these days. I don't know if you can answer this but are you aware of any plans for AK beyond Avatar or is that the only focus at that park at the moment?
 

FrankLapidus

Well-Known Member
WDW1974 posted an article on one of the Avatar threads from Blue Sky Disney that said that the Imagineers still hope to bring Beastly Kingdom to AK in some form so I would love that if it ever came off. I agree about Dinosaur, I wonder whether they might do something with Pixar's upcoming The Good Dinosaur at Dinoland if the film does well.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
WDW1974 posted an article on one of the Avatar threads from Blue Sky Disney that said that the Imagineers still hope to bring Beastly Kingdom to AK in some form so I would love that if it ever came off.

Well, the main "reason" they didn't was because of the medieval themed Dueling Dragons at IOA, but they've been transformed into the HP's Dragon Challenge.

Perhaps that is enough of change to allow them to bring Beastly Kingdom back.

I'd prefer Mysterious Island, but I doubt they'd do it justice compared to TDS
 

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
WDW1974 posted an article on one of the Avatar threads from Blue Sky Disney that said that the Imagineers still hope to bring Beastly Kingdom to AK in some form so I would love that if it ever came off. I agree about Dinosaur, I wonder whether they might do something with Pixar's upcoming The Good Dinosaur at Dinoland if the film does well.
I've been wondering about that as well. Bob Peterson and Co. don't need the added pressure of a theme park ride right now as they are hammering down the story. I would imagine that there is an understanding between Pixar and WDI to do something with film in the future in Dinoland. Hopefully they can use it to do what was originally envisioned for CTX.
 

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