Disney(World) vs. Disney(land)?

[WDW1974]

With the D23 Expo next year, makes you wonder if they'll hold their cards close to their chest until then, or announce to draw more people to come to the Expo to see the concept art and models.

After the anger they got last year from having nothing at all to announce, I think it's pretty safe to say there will be announcements at D23 next summer.

I've already been told to expect some major Shanghai details and not to be surprised if a major DL announcement (on something that will likely already be under construction) is also made. Where this WDW news comes in, I really don't know.

If Disney is afraid that people will feel any news will overshadow the modest Fantasyland project and postpone trips, I think they're sadly mistaken. They need some real positive buzz that transcends the fan community and they don't have it.

 

[HenryMystic]

Spirit, I can't seem to get excited about any proposed expansions until the current regime is out. Am I supposed to put my faith and hope into the very people who have allowed the collapse to occur? The very people who don't seem to get DHS are supposed to fix it?

Sorry, I can't get excited...not yet. Been burned too many times. Maybe if Lee would sing Epcot tunes to me. I hear he has a wonderful singing voice...and he was Insider of the Year in 2004.

 

[flynnibus]

IMy other one on value would simply be comparing it to off-property options. You can rent a house or two for what a suite costs at AoA at rack rate

An argument that works against every Disney on-property room. They are all expensive compared to off-site. But the comparison was within the Disney-sphere and specifically to Deluxe equivalents (or lack of equivalent mainly).

 

[alissafalco]

By your logic...
A Toyota Truck is overpriced simply because you decided for the same amount of money you wanted a Lexus instead of the truck. Nevermind if the coupe actually does the same thing as the truck.. or if the truck is actually cheaper than other trucks.. or if you really needed a truck to start with. But because you could get a Lexus coupe for the same amount of money, you see the truck as overpriced. Completely ignoring the difference between truck pricing and coupe pricing!

Sometimes people can't see past their own noses... I give up.

Is the Toyota claiming to be a VALUE truck???
I'm glad you can't see past your own nose and i'm glad you give up!

 

[flynnibus]

This is a good question. Can someone explain the business reason that so much DVC development is going on recently?

Because it offers such a huge return on investment in a fraction of the time of park attractions require - and helps locks in future customers.

 

[WDW1974]

Spirit, I can't seem to get excited about any proposed expansions until the current regime is out. Am I supposed to put my faith and hope into the very people who have allowed the collapse to occur? The very people who don't seem to get DHS are supposed to fix it?

Sorry, I can't get excited...not yet. Been burned too many times. Maybe if Lee would sing Epcot tunes to me. I hear he has a wonderful singing voice...and he was Insider of the Year in 2004.

I can't blame your skepticism. I think it is very well-earned, but realize I (you do know who you are talking to!!!) wouldn't have put this out if I didn't believe it will happen. I can't say in what form ... I can practically guarantee that if they start with a billion budget that it will wind up at $600 million before all is said and done. But you will see changes, major ones. Is it too little, too late? Or the start of a new boom at WDW?

The future will tell us that tell.

So, would you like 'One Little Spark' or 'It's Fun to Be Free' or my personal favorite 'Energy, You Make The World Go Round'? ... Also, there is no truth to that terrible 'net rumor that Lee Skypes with Fanbois in the nude while doing his EPCOT renditions. He used to, but Mrs. Lee caught him, he spent three nights sleeping with the possums and now is cured.

 

[WDW1974]

An argument that works against every Disney on-property room. They are all expensive compared to off-site. But the comparison was within the Disney-sphere and specifically to Deluxe equivalents (or lack of equivalent mainly).

Yep ... Exactly, while I'll gladly step aside and let y'all have at it!

Even at $66 a night, I can't justify the Disney MAGIC these days .

 

[HenryMystic]

I can't blame your skepticism. I think it is very well-earned, but realize I (you do know who you are talking to!!!) wouldn't have put this out if I didn't believe it will happen. I can't say in what form ... I can practically guarantee that if they start with a billion budget that it will wind up at $600 million before all is said and done. But you will see changes, major ones. Is it too little, too late? Or the start of a new boom at WDW?

The future will tell us that tell.

So, would you like 'One Little Spark' or 'It's Fun to Be Free' or my personal favorite 'Energy, You Make The World Go Round'? ... Also, there is no truth to that terrible 'net rumor that Lee Skypes with Fanbois in the nude while doing his EPCOT renditions. He used to, but Mrs. Lee caught him, he spent three nights sleeping with the possums and now is cured.

I wouldn't say that I doubt things will happen. I trust you. I just doubt that what happens will actually be a good thing (especially something done in such haste.) One of your pals, Michael Crawford, mentioned Toy Story Playland. To me, that's not a positive thing.

Actually, I think I'll ask him for an Adventurers Club tune. Perhaps that will melt my cold, cold doom and gloomer heart!

 

[TimeTrip]

Is the Toyota claiming to be a VALUE truck???
I'm glad you can't see past your own nose and i'm glad you give up!

I'm curious.. what would be your definition of a value suite on Disney property?

 

[ParentsOf4]

I'm curious.. what would be your definition of a value suite on Disney property?

A person does not book a room or suite, onsite or off, thinking "this is a terrible value". They book it because they feel it presents a good "value" to them, it best fulfills the sum total of their wants. Unless a class of room is completely empty, there are at least some people who perceive it as a "good value". In this context, "value" is subjective. One person's definition of "value" is just as valid as the next. Like beauty, value is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[TimeTrip]

A person does not book a room or suite, onsite or off, thinking "this is a terrible value". They book it because they feel it presents a good "value" to them, it best fulfills their wants. Unless a class of room is completely empty, there are at least some people who perceive it as a "good value". In this context, "value" is subjective. One person's definition of "value" is just as valid as the next. Like beauty, value is in the eye of the beholder.

Agreed, though I'd like to know in that particular posters case, what "value" is to them. Hopefully to help me further understand the viewpoint that AoA Suites shouldn't be considered a value. Personally, I don't consider the "value" disney resorts to be a value when compared to non-disney resorts, but I would consider them to be "value" when compared to only disney resorts.

 

[WDW1974]

I wouldn't say that I doubt things will happen. I trust you. I just doubt that what happens will actually be a good thing (especially something done in such haste.) One of your pals, Michael Crawford, mentioned Toy Story Playland. To me, that's not a positive thing.

Actually, I think I'll ask him for an Adventurers Club tune. Perhaps that will melt my cold, cold doom and gloomer heart!

Ah, Michael C., another blogger/Tweeter who refuses to actually talk in the fan forums anymore. Is it true he has done some D23 work? Or that he is the one helping a certain Imagineer pen a book?

The change is going to have to be good. They can't put in simply spinners and water fountains and meet-and-greets and ... yeah ... um ahm ... ah ... let's just say there are folks that get this.

Now, could TSP be part of this? Absolutely. It is one of about 15 different possibilities I've heard (and, no, I'm not putting any out because if they don't know, then I certainly don't need people ripping me for what amount to possibilities!)

But you need to understand that TDO wants things done cheaply, they always do.

I realize there's this other undercurrent that WDW gets what WDI wants and that's only very partially true. WDI can pitch all sorts of projects (and they do) ... just like TDO can say 'we'd like something like ...' There seems to be a lot of WDI hate out there and you really need to consider the sources and why that may be.

Kathy Mangum is a good Imagineer, but she's nothing exceptional. And she hasn't been brought in because WDI in FLA is a mess (although it really sorta is), but because they need a leadership face as they embark on major projects.

 

[WDW1974]

A person does not book a room or suite, onsite or off, thinking "this is a terrible value". They book it because they feel it presents a good "value" to them, it best fulfills the sum total of their wants. Unless a class of room is completely empty, there are at least some people who perceive it as a "good value". In this context, "value" is subjective. One person's definition of "value" is just as valid as the next. Like beauty, value is in the eye of the beholder.

That is true, for sure.

But WDW advertises all its accomodations as being resorts.

Now, there's no doubt that DAK Lodge is a resort ... or the GF ... or BW.

But by the time you get to Port Orleans, that is much more debatable.

And once you arrive at the ASMu, well, you're staying in a garishly themed motel with tiny rooms and giant icons and a food court that is always crazy. It is many things, but a resort is not one of them.

 

[asianway]

So one things been bugging me...these people buying the $1.5M homes at Golden Oak - they don't seem to be the demo that likes getting nickel and dimed to death. And part of their deal is getting EMH access right? That just got cut so...is any of this affecting sales?

 

[Doctor Facilier]

Quick question; what is TSP? (Sorry I'm new ).

 

[asianway]

Quick question; what is TSP? (Sorry I'm new ).

Toy story play land

 

[ellie-badge]

Quick question; what is TSP? (Sorry I'm new ).

Toy Story Playland, I believe. It's a themed land at Walt Disney Studios Park and Hong Kong Disneyland.

 

[Doctor Facilier]

Thank you both, for the incredibly quick responses! I think it looks very well themed but I'm still hoping for an original concept coming our way Although I would rather have that than Carsland.

 

[Orangelake555]

My other one on value would simply be comparing it to off-property options. You can rent a house or two for what a suite costs at AoA at rack rate. You can Priceline THREE rooms at the resort level (like Gaylord Palms, DD Hilton, Omni Championsgate) for the same price etc.

Dont forget about Reunion resort, Marriot World center, my namesake Orange Lake resorts, Sheraton Vistana Resort, Marriot Vacation Club, Grand Pines Resort, Marriots Cypress Harbour, Hyatt's Grand Cypress Resort. Im sure there are more but those are just off the top of my head.

 

[NoChesterHester]

Thank you both, for the incredibly quick responses! I think it looks very well themed but I'm still hoping for an original concept coming our way Although I would rather have that than Carsland.

Yes. Unfortunately we are all guessing on concepts based on other parks. Hollywood Studios deserves something unique.