Disney revises guns-to-work policy (myFOXOrlando)

[Philo]

Not intending to open a big can of worms or anything but discussions like this always amaze me.

Coming from the UK, the idea that the guy sitting in the car next to me might have a gun in their car is pretty scary and yet for you guys it's normal - almost assumed.

I was actually in the air cadets for a couple of years so I'm familiar with how to handle guns properly and I felt quite safe when there were guns in the room yet the idea that my neighbour has one doesn't sit well with me. Maybe it's because to have a gun in the UK often means that your going to use it with ill intent (because you can't obtain them very easily and there are very strict laws for legally held arms)

I was staying off-site in 2007 at a hotel used by many visitors to a fire arms convention - very reassuring to see that everyone had their guns in locked cases but still a little unnerving - it just felt too easy to get a gun and run riot or to accidentally case harm as described in above posts.

Don't flame me - as I said, just a few of my thoughts on different cultures and I'm not judging anyone!

 

[kimmychad]

Not intending to open a big can of worms or anything but discussions like this always amaze me.

Coming from the UK, the idea that the guy sitting in the car next to me might have a gun in their car is pretty scary and yet for you guys it's normal - almost assumed.

I was actually in the air cadets for a couple of years so I'm familiar with how to handle guns properly and I felt quite safe when there were guns in the room yet the idea that my neighbour has one doesn't sit well with me. Maybe it's because to have a gun in the UK often means that your going to use it with ill intent (because you can't obtain them very easily and there are very strict laws for legally held arms)

I was staying off-site in 2007 at a hotel used by many visitors to a fire arms convention - very reassuring to see that everyone had their guns in locked cases but still a little unnerving - it just felt too easy to get a gun and run riot or to accidentally case harm as described in above posts.

Don't flame me - as I said, just a few of my thoughts on different cultures and I'm not judging anyone!

gun laws in this country only affect the people that generally aren't breaking the law anyways. if a criminal wants a gun they can get one, only law abiding citizens get background checks. it doesnt make me nervous that my neighbor might have a gun, if i stay out of his house when i'm not invited i'll be fine. don't people hunt in england? no i don't have a gun in my car, i don't at this time see a need, but i do have a shotgn in my house. i was just reading the paper last night about a home invasion that happened 2 miles from me, i wouldn't be able to live with myself if i didn't think i was doing everything i could to protect my family.

 

[Elonwy]

Ok...I just have a question for some gun owners and users in the US. keep in mind that I'm Canadian which means our gun laws are quite different from your AND I just don't know a lot about guns so sorry if this is a stupid question but I have to ask...

When I was in Florida I saw a gun show advertised in the papaer and one persons ad said (in big bold letters) that their guns were fingerprint resistant.

The only reason I could think that this would be important info is that you're a criminal. :shrug:

Is there a legit reason for this or are these gun shows trying to get more criminals in?

 

[RiversideBunny]

The person may have just meant that the finish on the gun is resistant to staining, which can happen when natural oils on the fingers touch the metal. People who own expensive 'collectors' editions of weapons want them to stay pristine.

Or the person could be a strange person.

 

[kimmychad]

Ok...I just have a question for some gun owners and users in the US. keep in mind that I'm Canadian which means our gun laws are quite different from your AND I just don't know a lot about guns so sorry if this is a stupid question but I have to ask...

When I was in Florida I saw a gun show advertised in the papaer and one persons ad said (in big bold letters) that their guns were fingerprint resistant.

The only reason I could think that this would be important info is that you're a criminal. :shrug:

Is there a legit reason for this or are these gun shows trying to get more criminals in?

well some people like to keep their guns looking nice, and fingerprints could smudge them up i guess, but yeah i'm thinking that kind of thing would cater more to a criminal.

 

[RiversideBunny]

Accidents are the biggest concern whenever non-professional people are carrying around guns. The level of training and experience and respect for the weapon varies greatly.

 

[Wilt Dasney]

Ok...I just have a question for some gun owners and users in the US. keep in mind that I'm Canadian which means our gun laws are quite different from your AND I just don't know a lot about guns so sorry if this is a stupid question but I have to ask...

When I was in Florida I saw a gun show advertised in the papaer and one persons ad said (in big bold letters) that their guns were fingerprint resistant.

The only reason I could think that this would be important info is that you're a criminal. :shrug:

Is there a legit reason for this or are these gun shows trying to get more criminals in?

There's a scene in the movie "Runaway Jury" that deals with this. An attorney (played by Dustin Hoffman, I believe) gets a gun industry exec on the stand and asks him about marketing fingerprint-resistant weapons. The exec kinda smirks and says the point is that the gun resists corrosion/staining/etc. To which the lawyer asks him why not just market the weapon under those points instead of pointing out its resistance to fingerprints in the marketing.

The clear point was that the gun industry puts out these weapons that are designed for criminals with a wink and a smile, while denying they have any intention of marketing to bad guys. Obviously I'm describing fiction, but based on the ad you described, it may not be all that fictional.

 

[SleepingMonk]

No it's plenty fictional.

I've never seen an ad like that at a gunshow, or by a gun dealer or manufacturer.

And after reading some posts from folks in other locales I'm more thankful than ever to live in the greatest country in the world. Thank God for our freedom and liberty.

 

[The Mom]

if you're unsure of how to check the gun yourself, don't touch it. i would never trust anyone with my life.

I meant that if you didn't know how to handle a gun properly (and check to make sure it isn't loaded) you should notify a professional, such as a police officer, so that he/she could take it away safely.

The NRA also has a list of certified instructors who would also be able to check the gun for you, if it weren't an emergency. I'm thinking more in terms a deceased, ill, etc family member has guns in the house, and you want to remove them.

 

[Elonwy]

No it's plenty fictional.

I've never seen an ad like that at a gunshow, or by a gun dealer or manufacturer.

And after reading some posts from folks in other locales I'm more thankful than ever to live in the greatest country in the world. Thank God for our freedom and liberty.

The ad that I saw was part of an insert to a newspaper and had a gun show schedule then ads by sponsors or people that would be at the show, I guess. It wasn't a huge ad and it did say other things about the guns...something about the inlay in the handles etc etc but did say they were fingerprint resistant.

I never thought about collectors who would want them to look pristine all the time so I guess the fingerprint resistant thing makes sense there.

...and I didn't know you were from Canada :animwink::lookaroun

 

[SleepingMonk]

.... I didn't know you were from Canada :animwink::lookaroun

:lol:


You hold the title as Greatest Comedy Exporter.

We're still overall champs.

 

[Elonwy]

:lol:


You hold the title as Greatest Comedy Exporter.

We're still overall champs.

yes...we need to be funny...laughter provides a lot of warmth in the winter :lol:

 

[dandaman]

When we run out of beaver coats, of course. :lookaroun

 

[durangojim]

I meant that if you didn't know how to handle a gun properly (and check to make sure it isn't loaded) you should notify a professional, such as a police officer, so that he/she could take it away safely.

The NRA also has a list of certified instructors who would also be able to check the gun for you, if it weren't an emergency. I'm thinking more in terms a deceased, ill, etc family member has guns in the house, and you want to remove them.

Of course not all (or many even) professionals are:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/gun-lawsuit-alleges-2089579-chavez-shot

 

[sbkline]

too true, it's one thing to know how to shoot a gun but I think you should know how to clean, store, and check a gun before you're allowed to use it.

Years ago a neighbourhood boy who I babysat occasionally took his step-dads gun to a quarry to show his friend how to shoot. They played with the gun until it wouldn't fire anymore and on the walk home they met up with some other kids and pretended to shoot each other with the "empty" gun.

They "fired" at each other a few times with no consequence then the boy I babysat held the gun to another boys head and fired and it went off and killed him.

The boys stepfather was charged for improperly storing the gun. According to the news statements, they found several guns that were not stored or cared for properly. You can't help but wonder about the "if only's"...if only he had cleaned and cared for these guns and stored them properly...:shrug:

I think it should be a part of everyone' gun training to really KNOW how to use a gun which means, cleaning, storing, and what to do if anything is not working perfectly.

I'm sure that laws and guidelines vary from state to state, county to county, etc, so can you tell me what the laws in that jurisdiction were regarding storing of guns?

The reason I ask is because some people advocate storage procedures that would pretty much defeat the entire purpose of having a gun in the house. And some laws may do the same thing. For example, as I said, my gun is hanging in a cloth sewing bag on my bedpost. In the unlikely event that I need it, it's within reach and I can get it easily. However, if I have it unloaded and locked up as many people recommend, then I may as well get rid of it, as it won't do me any good if I need it anyway. If someone breaks into my house and is threatening me or my family, I most likely won't have the opportunity to go to the cabinet and unlock it, then load up. I doubt that the criminal would be courteous enough to give me a few minutes to arm myself to shoot him, and most criminals don't have a code of ethics like the gunslingers on the old Western movies...you know, where they won't shoot an unarmed man and will make sure that you are armed so as to have a "fair fight".

 

[Elonwy]

I'm sure that laws and guidelines vary from state to state, county to county, etc, so can you tell me what the laws in that jurisdiction were regarding storing of guns?

it's Canada...that should answer a few questions at least :lol:

Basically the gun has to be unloaded and locked with the ammunition locked away separately or if the gun isn't locked it needs to have a trigger lock on it.

The laws do get more in depth but that's the basics

 

[sbkline]

it's Canada...that should answer a few questions at least :lol:

Basically the gun has to be unloaded and locked with the ammunition locked away separately or if the gun isn't locked it needs to have a trigger lock on it.

The laws do get more in depth but that's the basics

So basically, if I break into your home, you'd better hope that I have a sense of fair play and allow you time to go unlock the gun, and time to go unlock the ammo, load it and unlock the trigger or else that gun isn't going to do you a bit of good. :ROFLOL:

But ya I forgot you were from Canada. I don't think there are too many places here in the US that have those kind of rules. DC had a ban on handguns along with a law regarding rifles and shotguns that was similar (or stricter) than what you just described. Thankfully, the US Supreme Court struck down the handgun ban and I hope that they also struck down the rules regarding rifles and shotguns as part of their ruling.

 

[Elonwy]

So basically, if I break into your home, you'd better hope that I have a sense of fair play and allow you time to go unlock the gun, and time to go unlock the ammo, load it and unlock the trigger or else that gun isn't going to do you a bit of good. :ROFLOL:

Honestly, it's not a a concern here...seriously, I've never once thought about anyone breaking in and hey...it's Canada...we shoot animals, not people, and only in hunting season so there's plenty of time to load the gun :lol:

 

[Elonwy]

But ya I forgot you were from Canada. I don't think there are too many places here in the US that have those kind of rules. DC had a ban on handguns along with a law regarding rifles and shotguns that was similar (or stricter) than what you just described. Thankfully, the US Supreme Court struck down the handgun ban and I hope that they also struck down the rules regarding rifles and shotguns as part of their ruling.

yeah, I don't think people from the US get Canadian gun laws and Canadians don't get American gun laws but as far as things like violent crimes happening...they're more likely to happen to you in the US, therefore you have gun laws that enable you to protect yourself from them.

In Canada the threat of a violent crime is much less common (I think the homicide rate in Canada is about 1.5 per 100,000 people and for the US it's about 6.9 per 100,000 people) so we have different laws.

I'm just as happy with the laws here as most Americans are with the laws there but it's really not a good comparison between the gun laws in the two countries because the statistics are so different.

(*btw...I'm seriously not looking for a huge debate over gun laws here, hopefully you're getting my point that I realize why you have different laws than we do...not better or worse, just diffrent

 

[Club Cooloholic]

For all those that say they support the right to bear arms...does this mean I can start work on that nuclear warhead? Seriously, I do have the right to have whatever weapon I want right?

And for anyone looking to ease up....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-M8EAzLLC4&feature=related
It might make you smile.