News Disney reminds guests to behave at Walt Disney World or be asked to leave

[MrPromey]

... Well, to a lot of people, not losing money, or wasting limited trips, or disappointing their family are all things that they value and when Disney layers things on that challenge all that.. yes, people feel stress from that, and yes Disney is culpable in creating that situation.

Disney is inflaming the problem by putting these extra burdens on people and agitators. Did Disney MAKE someone snap? No, but they are contributing to the situation.

I think this is a major point that could easily be missed by people who routinely visit a WDW fan forum.

Not everyone who visits WDW likes going, even on a good day.

In fact, the person who planned it and paid for it could very well be doing it ONLY for someone else, be it a child/children, a partner or both.

Yes, everyone is responsible for their own behavior 100% but for some people, it absolutely is a real-life stressful thing and people can behave in all sorts of unpredictable ways under stress.

We all know this and it's why most people who can read social cues, step aside when they see someone with an angry face or forceful gait pass by.

I had the "pleasure" of going with a family some years back (gf's sister's) where the dad, a heavy smoker, was only there for his kid - to the delight of no one.

Imagine what half the day around him was like until he hit a designated smoking area.

Now those areas are gone.

As a non-smoker, I never liked walking past those spaces. In that sense, I'm glad they're gone but I'm sure their removal has caused problems for cast and non-smoking guests in the parks since.

Disney didn't put the cigarette in the mouth of any 13 year old to make them a lifetime addict to nicotine but they knowingly took away a societal release valve they'd previously included in their parks and tasked cast-members with having to more aggressively confront agitated violators.

Yeah, again, we're all responsible for our own actions but if you find yourself stuck behind a flustered smoker having gone without all day who seems unreasonably mad about being in a standby line for Peter Pan's flight that's barely moving due to 75% of capacity having been given to G+ and he snaps because of some "excuse me, excuse me" line cutters resulting in you or someone you love getting hurt, is it Disney's fault?

I wouldn't say so but I also wouldn't try to pretend they didn't help set the stage for that encounter in multiple ways.

I'm noticing a few people here saying they "understand" and then a post or two later responding sarcastically with statements like "it's all Disney's fault!" when that's clearly not what anyone here has even come close to saying.

... which leads me to believe either they don't actually understand or that they're not arguing/debating in good faith and are doing a pretty awful job of hiding it.

 

[Lilofan]

I think this is a major point that could easily be missed by people who routinely visit a WDW fan forum.

Not everyone who visits WDW likes going, even on a good day.

In fact, the person who planned it and paid for it could very well be doing it ONLY for someone else, be it a child/children, a partner or both.

Yes, everyone is responsible for their own behavior 100% but for some people, it absolutely is a real-life stressful thing and people can behave in all sorts of unpredictable ways under stress.

We all know this and it's why most people who can read social cues, step aside when they see someone with an angry face or forceful gait pass by.

I had the "pleasure" of going with a family some years back where the dad, a heavy smoker, was only there for his kid - to the delight of no one.

Imagine what half the day around him was like until he hit a designated smoking area.

Now those areas are gone.

As a non-smoker, I never liked walking past those spaces. In that sense, I'm glad they're gone but I'm sure their removal has caused problems for cast and non-smoking guests in the park since.

Disney didn't put the cigarette in the mouth of any 13 year old to make them a lifetime addict to nicotine but they knowingly took away a societal release valve they'd previously included in their parks and tasked cast-members with having to more aggressively confront agitated violators.

Yeah, again, we're all responsible for our own actions but if you find yourself stuck behind an agitated smoker who seems to be unreasonably mad about being in a standby line for Peter Pan's flight that's barely moving because 75% of capacity has been given to G+ and he snaps as a result of some "excuse me, excuse me" line cutters resulting in you or someone you love getting hurt, is it Disney's fault?

I wouldn't say so but I also wouldn't try to pretend they didn't help set the stage for that encounter in multiple ways.

I'm noticing a few people here saying they "understand" and then a post or two later responding sarcastically with statements like "it's all Disney's fault!" when that's clearly not what anyone here has even come close to saying.

... which leads me to believe either they don't actually understand or that they're not arguing/debating in good faith and are doing a pretty awful job of hiding it.

Also upsetting when Disney uncovered the scam 10 years ago when wealthy NYC moms and their families rented actual local Central FL disabled folks ( charging NYC moms approx $1K per day per family ) to accompany them to front of line access in the parks and rules were changed because of that. Families with members with disability were not happy of that.

 

[Touchdown]

I wasn’t “asked to leave”. Wasn’t politely “escorted to the door”…………….

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I don’t want to be drunk, IN PUBLIC, I want to be drunk in there!

 

[flynnibus]

In the end, you want to blame Disney for people getting in physical altercations. Spin it all you want, but that's what you are saying. I think you are wrong.

talk about obtuse... I never said anything about people getting into altercations. I reacted to your downplaying of the potential of meaningful stress at Disney and added Disney is contributing to it. You're the one who is back tracking your comments and saying no there is stress... but it's not REAL stress... you know.. 'life' stress...

I'm saying Disney is contributing to the problem by the pressures they help create by having such scarcity, so many processes, high burdens when you miss out, and such high prices. All these factors contribute to the stress people face in making that 'magical' vacation they were sold on.

Not everyone gets the 'water off my back' attitude that some have have because they visit WDW like the seasons. For the majority of people visiting WDW is limited occurrence.. and having it be successful is important. They don't just say 'oh well, we'll be back in 3-6 months anyway...'

 

[Incomudro]

talk about obtuse... I never said anything about people getting into altercations. I reacted to your downplaying of the potential of meaningful stress at Disney and added Disney is contributing to it. You're the one who is back tracking your comments and saying no there is stress... but it's not REAL stress... you know.. 'life' stress...

I'm saying Disney is contributing to the problem by the pressures they help create by having such scarcity, so many processes, high burdens when you miss out, and such high prices. All these factors contribute to the stress people face in making that 'magical' vacation they were sold on.

Not everyone gets the 'water off my back' attitude that some have have because they visit WDW like the seasons. For the majority of people visiting WDW is limited occurrence.. and having it be successful is important. They don't just say 'oh well, we'll be back in 3-6 months anyway...'

I once made posts on a Staten Island website saying that ever increasingly strict traffic enforcement measures such as reducing the speed limit to 25mph actually frustrates drivers even more, which in turn leads them to attempt to make up time elsewhere - like speeding down side streets.
I was met with similar opposition by people who refused to believe that increasing stress on a population leads to a portion of that population acting out in sometimes dangerous ways.
It's frustrating, isn't it?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Who do they think is going to alter their behavior after reading this?

Agreed, The folks who are going to fight while in WDW are not all of a sudden change their ways because some text on a website; as if these folks even go to the web site at all to begin with.

“I was planning to brawl with anyone who cuts me in line to Mickeys Philharmagic but now that I have seen this text with the very tasteful handshake icon, I have decided not to.”

 

[Incomudro]

Agreed, The folks who are going to fight while in WDW are not all of a sudden change their ways because some text on a website; as if these folks even go to the web site at all to begin with.

“I was planning to brawl with anyone who cuts me in line to Mickeys Philharmagic but now that I have seen this text with the very tasteful handshake icon, I have decided not to.”

It's not necessarily about stopping it before it happens.
It can really help Disney to remove problem people without as much issue.
Disney's right to remove them is right there in writing.

 

[dreday3]

talk about obtuse... I never said anything about people getting into altercations. I reacted to your downplaying of the potential of meaningful stress at Disney and added Disney is contributing to it. You're the one who is back tracking your comments and saying no there is stress... but it's not REAL stress... you know.. 'life' stress...

I'm saying Disney is contributing to the problem by the pressures they help create by having such scarcity, so many processes, high burdens when you miss out, and such high prices. All these factors contribute to the stress people face in making that 'magical' vacation they were sold on.

Not everyone gets the 'water off my back' attitude that some have have because they visit WDW like the seasons. For the majority of people visiting WDW is limited occurrence.. and having it be successful is important. They don't just say 'oh well, we'll be back in 3-6 months anyway...'

Well then you're misunderstanding me and I'm misunderstanding you. Let's leave it at that. (and for the record, I never said Disney didn't cause stress. I posted it causes a different kind of stress. And I stand by that. Pouring money into a fun life event that is not a necessity is just not comparable to the other stressors I listed.)

Have an awesome day!

 

[Chi84]

I think this is a major point that could easily be missed by people who routinely visit a WDW fan forum.

Not everyone who visits WDW likes going, even on a good day.

In fact, the person who planned it and paid for it could very well be doing it ONLY for someone else, be it a child/children, a partner or both.

Yes, everyone is responsible for their own behavior 100% but for some people, it absolutely is a real-life stressful thing and people can behave in all sorts of unpredictable ways under stress.

We all know this and it's why most people who can read social cues, step aside when they see someone with an angry face or forceful gait pass by.

I had the "pleasure" of going with a family some years back (gf's sister's) where the dad, a heavy smoker, was only there for his kid - to the delight of no one.

Imagine what half the day around him was like until he hit a designated smoking area.

Now those areas are gone.

As a non-smoker, I never liked walking past those spaces. In that sense, I'm glad they're gone but I'm sure their removal has caused problems for cast and non-smoking guests in the parks since.

Disney didn't put the cigarette in the mouth of any 13 year old to make them a lifetime addict to nicotine but they knowingly took away a societal release valve they'd previously included in their parks and tasked cast-members with having to more aggressively confront agitated violators.

Yeah, again, we're all responsible for our own actions but if you find yourself stuck behind a flustered smoker having gone without all day who seems unreasonably mad about being in a standby line for Peter Pan's flight that's barely moving due to 75% of capacity having been given to G+ and he snaps because of some "excuse me, excuse me" line cutters resulting in you or someone you love getting hurt, is it Disney's fault?

I wouldn't say so but I also wouldn't try to pretend they didn't help set the stage for that encounter in multiple ways.

I'm noticing a few people here saying they "understand" and then a post or two later responding sarcastically with statements like "it's all Disney's fault!" when that's clearly not what anyone here has even come close to saying.

... which leads me to believe either they don't actually understand or that they're not arguing/debating in good faith and are doing a pretty awful job of hiding it.

I do understand, but it's still ultimately up to people to recognize and control their triggers without misbehaving toward others. Disney, like many locations, is out in the open about not allowing smoking.

If someone is so affected by not being able to smoke that they would be prone to "snapping," then maybe a trip to the doctor to consider a nicotine substitute or some other viable option would work. Maybe they should buy Genie+ so the waits aren't so long (smoking is an expensive habit). If a completely non-smoking environment is something that a person just can't handle, maybe a totally non-smoking environment does not work for that family no matter how much some of the members want to go. Disney isn't going to add smoking sections - no one is doing that - so understanding alone does nothing.

As far as line skip systems go, WDW's is terrible right now and I understand they are considering steps to make it better. But we're not talking about people eating a loaf of bread in front of starving children here. If someone can't deal with a line skip system at a ridiculously expensive vacation venue, they can buy Genie+ or find it within themselves to deal with the consequences of not having it. Maybe remove themselves from the line if it's a choice between riding and "snapping" to the point of misbehaving toward others.

The topic of this thread is guests' misbehavior toward other guests. Understanding without excusing is pretty useless when you're talking about misbehavior. People who are the victims see only the misbehavior, not the reasons for it.

 

[LittleBuford]

Well then you're misunderstanding me and I'm misunderstanding you. Let's leave it at that. (and for the record, I never said Disney didn't cause stress. I posted it causes a different kind of stress. And I stand by that. Pouring money into a fun life event that is not a necessity is just not comparable to the other stressors I listed.)

Have an awesome day!

I’ve voiced the same opinion as you in the past and received similar pushback. I think part of it is that you and I are on the Pixie Duster end of the spectrum and so consider any (Disney) stress we experience largely inconsequential when balanced against all the happiness. Others here, however, seem genuinely angry with Disney and unhappy with significant aspects their visits, and so it is perhaps not surprising that they view things so differently.

 

[Pancho]

Well then you're misunderstanding me and I'm misunderstanding you. Let's leave it at that. (and for the record, I never said Disney didn't cause stress. I posted it causes a different kind of stress. And I stand by that. Pouring money into a fun life event that is not a necessity is just not comparable to the other stressors I listed.)

Have an awesome day!

I think the biggest factor is being overlooked. that is the crazy amount of entitlement people have these days. add that to the Stressors that are part of a Disney trip and people will react just like they do to other stressors in life. It's like the mom that will accuse a cast member of setting their 3 year old up to being a life long drug addict because they can't get them into Cinderella's Royal Table. it's a ridiculous statement for sure but that mom means it with every fiber of her being. there are a large amount of unrational and unreasonable folks in this world. Seems like there is more and more everyday.

 

[dreday3]

I think the biggest factor is being overlooked. that is the crazy amount of entitlement people have these days. add that to the Stressors that are part of a Disney trip and people will react just like they do to other stressors in life. It's like the mom that will accuse a cast member of setting their 3 year old up to being a life long drug addict because they can't get them into Cinderella's Royal Table. it's a ridiculous statement for sure but that mom means it with every fiber of her being. there are a large amount of unrational and unreasonable folks in this world. Seems like there is more and more everyday.

I agree, but that's not a Disney problem, that's a people problem.
That person would react like that anywhere. Disney costing more or having Genie + isn't doing that to the mom, that's their nature.

 

[Incomudro]

I agree, but that's not a Disney problem, that's a people problem.
That person would react like that anywhere. Disney costing more or having Genie + isn't doing that to the mom, that's their nature.

Here's the thing:
In a given population, there is always a portion of that population that will react negatively under stress.
Increase the stress, and you increase the likelihood that some of those people will act out.
You also increase the portion of the population that may act out.
The population in WDW is under far more stress now than it was in the 1970's, or 80's.
You may not act out.
I may not act out.
But some portion of park goers will.
Are they wrong to? Well, yes - of course. Just as it's wrong to act out in an uncivilized manner outside of the parks.
But the fact is that Disney has put a level of stress on park goers far in excess of what it used to be.

 

[Chi84]

Here's the thing:
In a given population, there is always a portion of that population that will react negatively under stress.
Increase the stress, and you increase the likelihood that some of those people will act out.
You also increase the portion of the population that may act out.
The population in WDW is under far more stress now than it was in the 1970's, or 80's.
You may not act out.
I may not act out.
But some portion of park goers will.
Are they wrong to? Well, yes - of course. Just as it's wrong to act out in an uncivilized manner outside of the parks.
But the fact is that Disney has put a level of stress on park goers far in excess of what it used to be.

It's not just Disney. People have been subjected to an abnormal amount of stress in the last couple of years, and it is definitely taking a toll on mental health in general and on coping skills in particular. I wouldn't advise taking that "once-in-a-lifetime" WDW vacation at this time.

 

[dreday3]

Here's the thing:
In a given population, there is always a portion of that population that will react negatively under stress.
Increase the stress, and you increase the likelihood that some of those people will act out.
You also increase the portion of the population that may act out.
The population in WDW is under far more stress now than it was in the 1970's, or 80's.
You may not act out.
I may not act out.
But some portion of park goers will.
Are they wrong to? Well, yes - of course. Just as it's wrong to act out in an uncivilized manner outside of the parks.
But the fact is that Disney has put a level of stress on park goers far in excess of what it used to be.

Fundamentally, I don't agree with your last sentence. That's probably what this all boils down to.
Some of you consider it a real stressor, I consider it a minor annoyance, if that. I enjoy the stress of planning. I just don't equate it to some of the real things we've been through the past few years.

If Disney every causes me that kind of stress, we just won't go.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Fundamentally, I don't agree with your last sentence. That's probably what this all boils down to.
Some of you consider it a real stressor, I consider it a minor annoyance, if that. I enjoy the stress of planning. I just don't equate it to some of the real things we've been through the past few years.

If Disney every causes me that kind of stress, we just won't go.

Splitting hairs here but ok we’ll go with annoyance. Regardless, it’s worse now than it’s ever been at Disney and it’s of their own doing

 

[LittleBuford]

@dreday3, I just noticed that I accidentally left out two words from my reply to you, which should have read (and, post-edit, now does read): “I think part of it is that you and I are on the Pixie Duster end of the spectrum”. I was posting in solidarity, not to call you out!

 

[dreday3]

@dreday3, I just noticed that I accidentally left out two words from my reply to you, which should have read (and, post-edit, now does read): “I think part of it is that you and I are on the Pixie Duster end of the spectrum”. I was posting in solidarity, not to call you out!

I wasn't offended!

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

This verbiage may need Legal team for approval .

I think it's a CYA thing anyway! Gotta cover yourself against law suits.

 

[Lilofan]

Here's the thing:
In a given population, there is always a portion of that population that will react negatively under stress.
Increase the stress, and you increase the likelihood that some of those people will act out.
You also increase the portion of the population that may act out.
The population in WDW is under far more stress now than it was in the 1970's, or 80's.
You may not act out.
I may not act out.
But some portion of park goers will.
Are they wrong to? Well, yes - of course. Just as it's wrong to act out in an uncivilized manner outside of the parks.
But the fact is that Disney has put a level of stress on park goers far in excess of what it used to be.

Hot and steaming. Melting under the heat and humidity during a WDW summer adds to the stress and impatience of some.