PhotoDave219
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I would not expect any star wars makeover to open any time before then IMO.
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Disney Playing catch up with Universal... Potter Disney's biggest mistake in 20 years...
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I would not expect any star wars makeover to open any time before then IMO.
I agree with everything you are saying.
Universal has time to go past Disney's weaker parks but the reality is it will be very very tough and it would be for a limited time.
Remember, no matter what DHS or AK's weaknesses may be...they still bring in 9.95 million people every year for the last 3 years. That's basically 10 million people going to each park that is considered the weakest parks by many on this board.
People on this board have called these parks weak since I started posting here and they still bring in 10 million people.
What will change those numbers to the downside?
Nothing new has been built at those parks for at least 5 years and it's still 10 million visitors a year!
I think it's a hypothetical assumption to expect a huge increase at Universal that blows past DHS and AK. I just don't see it in my number crunching. I can put together some hypotheticals but I can also do that with Disney.
You are right, numbers don't make a part better. Everything is subjective.
Looking at numbers, Disney's mouse trap they have created at WDW plus their amazing marketing is hard to beat. You can't underestimate that. It's very hard to avoid the marketing hand of Disney and it's very hard to leave WDW once you are staying on campus.
Magic Kingdom increased by 1 million visitor with new fantasyland. Very impressive for a park that was already bringing in over 17 million people. That is really impressive! Should show Disney that new attractions can and do bring people.
So, how many of those people stay on campus at WDW?
How many of those 18 million will head over to Animal Kingdom once Avatar is created, the new night show and new hours?
All the advertising across WDW, the shuttle buses picking you up at your hotel and dropping you off at AK. There is no advertised shuttle bus to universal if you are staying on campus at Disney. That's the hard part, Disney's mouse trap. If customers haven't pre-planned to go to Universal...then they won't go.
That's why Disney has created the "created your own vacation thing before you leave the house". They have you.
I think it would be cool to watch Universal pass one of Disney's parks in attendance. Watching what Disney's response would be.
But like you said. Recently the better rides created are at Universal. No one can dispute that. That is a fact.
I think it's more realistic for national media to review Universals parks as better then Disney's. That might wake Disney up.
Disney reminds me of the best all star team ever assembled yet they are keeping their best players on the bench. Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Pixar (incredibles, Monster Inc, Ratatouille), Frozen, Tangled, Pirates of the Carribean,new rides based on Imagineers Imagination. This is all sitting on the bench waiting to be called into action.
Meanwhile at Universal. Transformers is a hit film...quick make a ride. Despicable Me was a hit...quick make a ride. Potter...wow, people seem to enjoy this franchise. Quick..make a world. They are putting their best players on the field for battle.
Very interesting.
We will see. Right now it's a hopeful assumption based on past numbers.
I'm for it, make it happen.
My opinion, it's the Disney Mouse Trap that make it hard. We will see.
Everyone together now....
lazyboy97o
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So you don't agree but it is a misrepresentation to say you disagree?
flynnibus
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iheartdisney91
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ok, Disney did make the mistake of passing this up.
Universal however did a great job. but.... i feel Disney
would have done better.
I'm a HUGE Harry Potter fan, and to have Disney's name on it too
would have made me SO happy!
I'm nervous however that Hogwarts is going to get terribly sun bleached and UNI
will just let it go untouched. Let's be honest.
They do know it's a huge money maker for them, but does that mean they will keep the park
up?.....
Universal however did a great job. but.... i feel Disney
would have done better.
I'm a HUGE Harry Potter fan, and to have Disney's name on it too
would have made me SO happy!
I'm nervous however that Hogwarts is going to get terribly sun bleached and UNI
will just let it go untouched. Let's be honest.
They do know it's a huge money maker for them, but does that mean they will keep the park
up?.....
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
All of the bits that have come out suggest Disney proposed something smaller than Wizarding World of Harry Potter - Hogsmead.
Hogwarts Castle is already four years old and it hasn't started to get faded.
Walt Disney World is a huge money maker, but Disney doesn't keep it up.
Frankie The Beer
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Disney Passing on Potter is why we are having this conversation today. It is Disney's biggest mistake in 20 years.
For IOA to Catch DHS in the next 5 years in attendance...
If DHS grows 5.4% ( I got that looking back on the last 5 years) then,
IOA needs to grow 27% over the next 5 years.
Universal Florida needs to grow by 51% over the next 5 years.
That would put those parks above a Disney Florida Park.
Not saying it can't be done...but man that is some hard numbers to hit. IOA increased 30% year over year in 2010. I think some new ride hit that year, can't remember.
Does the New Potter land at Universal Florida put another huge pop into IOA? Maybe. We will see.
Should be interesting.
For IOA to Catch DHS in the next 5 years in attendance...
If DHS grows 5.4% ( I got that looking back on the last 5 years) then,
IOA needs to grow 27% over the next 5 years.
Universal Florida needs to grow by 51% over the next 5 years.
That would put those parks above a Disney Florida Park.
Not saying it can't be done...but man that is some hard numbers to hit. IOA increased 30% year over year in 2010. I think some new ride hit that year, can't remember.
Does the New Potter land at Universal Florida put another huge pop into IOA? Maybe. We will see.
Should be interesting.
TubaGeek
God bless the "Ignore" button.
Correction: Disney COULD have done better. Dollars to doughnuts says that they WOULD not have done better.
Also, Uni takes great care of keeping their buildings looking good, and it's probably in their Potter contract that it has to be repainted every so often. So... you know, there's that.
I am saying that you are misusing the word. 'Stagnant' doesn't mean what you think it does. Also, your question was slanted to only give the answer that you are fishing for.So you don't agree but it is a misrepresentation to say you disagree?
I don't think that Disney made a mistake by not making the deal. The deal was a bad one for them. It wasn't bad for Universal because Universal really, really needed it.
Disney's mistake was not pushing a DHS expansion quickly, whether it be Pixar Place, Carsland, or Star Wars. I don't see it as an unsurvivable error, however, since they can (and should) still push forward.
TalkingHead
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Because there's so much evidence to suggest that would've happened.
There aren't enough
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lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Attendance is not the only measure of success, and not even all that important.Disney Passing on Potter is why we are having this conversation today. It is Disney's biggest mistake in 20 years.
For IOA to Catch DHS in the next 5 years in attendance...
If DHS grows 5.4% ( I got that looking back on the last 5 years) then,
IOA needs to grow 27% over the next 5 years.
Universal Florida needs to grow by 51% over the next 5 years.
That would put those parks above a Disney Florida Park.
Not saying it can't be done...but man that is some hard numbers to hit. IOA increased 30% year over year in 2010. I think some new ride hit that year, can't remember.
Does the New Potter land at Universal Florida put another huge pop into IOA? Maybe. We will see.
Should be interesting.
nor'easter
Well-Known Member
In other words, things have been stagnant.
I wonder if that's the point of Hogwart's Express.
No. The mere fact that they didn't do one thing doesn't mean that they didn't do anything.In other words, things have been stagnant.
Or all three.
very good point. In 2009, IOA was at 4.6 million in attendance. They needed a hail marry and took a big gamble with harry potter. It doesn't look like a gamble now, but no one knew if it could be hugely successful.
2010 proved it was with a 30% increase in attendance and it put Universal on the map to stay.
30% increase in huge, and the numbers have remained firm.
Disney didn't need potter, would have been nice but didn't need it. I don't think Disney would have gone all out with potter either, they didn't need to.
I agree with Disney's error of not pushing new rides to the parks quicker. They should be pushing a ride every 4 years to each park at WDW. That would equal one new ride per each park a year.
It's not the end of the world for Disney, they can correct this mistake at any time.
Agree with your post.