Disney Playing catch up with Universal... Potter Disney's biggest mistake in 20 years...

[dadddio]

let's not forget how they are destroying iconic parts of the main deluxe resorts to "modernize"(aka make them generic Holiday Inns)

I think that both of you are correct, but it occurs to me that one person's 'updated' is another's 'destroyed'.

 

[Cesar R M]

By 1-3% yeah although since Disney doesn't release official numbers, they could easily move some of the attendance from MK to those parks to make them seem like they're increasing.

Either way, IOA and USF are prepping to soar past 9 million by 2016 and potentially touch 10 million each by 2017/2018.

Question, does the attendance numbers released count as individual tickets? or people who enter?

I mean, they count in the same way people who have APs, CM discounts, CMfree, ParkHoppers and normal visitors?

 

[Cesar R M]

Agreed. But even if Star Wars Land is greenlit today... 2019 is probably the earliest we'd see its grand opening. That's plenty of time for both Universal parks to soar past DHS. AK and Epcot might take a little longer to equal, but around 2021-2024, I could definitely see both Universal parks drawing 11.5-12 mililon a piece. 5 years is enough time for both to reach top 5 in Central Florida. Star Wars should have been opening alongside Episode VII... and if you take Spirit's info that certain TDO execs aren't sure about adding two genre-themed expansions so close together, it could be a little while.

And Avatar just doesn't have the hype when you consider New Fantasyland and both Potter areas... it'll give AK a much needed boost, but the park is still 5-7 attractions away from being a full-day affair. USF and IOA will both be full day by 2017. And the waterpark could change the narrative when you consider it'd likely add another day to a UNI vacation.

Attendance doesn't make something great. Wal-Mart and McDonalds aren't the absolute highest-quality in shopping and dining. And WDW isn't exactly the highest quality in theme parks these days. DisneySea is still untouchable for the most part.

It's hard to equal AK and Epcot's attendance after Pandora... but DHS is a piece of cake.

Full day for WHO?
The mentality of full day still makes my head shake.. because most of the opinions counted for "full day" are if you take pure "ride only" and "commando mentality" as the default for every visitor.

 

[dadddio]

You mean the post quoted above? We were talking about Hollywood Studios recent additions:

New Fantasyland is located in the Magic Kingdom, not Hollywood Studios.
Avatar is to be located in Animal Kingdom, not Hollywood Studios.
MyMagic+ is not an attraction. If you can explain how to ride a Magic Band, or how a band can sing & dance for you in a show, then it qualifies.

How does any of the above constitute an addition to Hollywood Studios, which was the question asked.

So again, about Hollywood Studios, what are the "things" you contend are happening there? Because if there aren't any, it's that "S" word again.

Nor'easter was clearly referring to WDW. I know this because he used the term 'WDW', not 'DHS'. Here it is:

Didn't say they weren't. GM was also doing great in the 60s.

If they do everything you mentioned, within a reasonable time, fine. Right now WDW, their supposed showcase of the parks division, is stagnant.

Incidently, this wasn't a case of his using the wrong term in a conversation solely about DHS because this is the post he was replying to:

The Disney Parks Division is doing great. They are about to open what will become the number 1 theme park in the World in Shanghai. Disney land is doing fine. The only park anyone can complain about from a business standpoint is Paris but the economy stinks there. As for Orlando I am sure everyone here agrees we would have liked to have seen more investment in rides and attractions but as long as the build star wars at DHS, and finish Pandora, River of Lights and the night time safari at AK and of course some improvements at Epcot all will be fine at WDW. Remember though Disney Parks is not just WDW.

You guys want to argue your talking points so badly that you lose track of what is at issue.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Words have meanings. Something will never mean nothing no matter how often you insist differently.

Also, don't think that I didn't notice that CDavid 'moved the goalposts'.

Just because you argued the definition was something else is not moving the goalposts, but keep trying.

 

[CDavid]

Nor'easter was clearly was referring to WDW. I know this because he used the term 'WDW', not 'DHS'. Here it is:

Incidently, this wasn't a case of his using the wrong term in a conversation solely about DHS because this is the post he was replying to:

You guys want to argue your talking points so badly that you lose track of what is at issue.

So then, we can assume you would agree that Hollywood Studios presently qualifies as stagnant? I'm not asking about anything else, just that one park.

I'm not Nor'easter, incidentally, and I don't have talking points. But I do use facts to support my argument and make conclusions.

 

[dadddio]

Just because you argued the definition was something else is not moving the goalposts, but keep trying.

No, the moving of the goal posts was when CDavid changed a conversation about WDW into one about DHS alone. It is different from your misuse of the word 'stagnant'.

 

[dadddio]

So then, we can assume you would agree that Hollywood Studios presently qualifies as stagnant? I'm not asking about anything else, just that one park.

You would assume correctly. Even though MM+ is a big undertaking and they are doing other non-DHS things that may drive traffic to DHS, I would consider DHS to currently be 'stagnant'.

 

[CDavid]

Are you sure who moved the goalposts, because it sure wasn't me...

I don't think that Disney made a mistake by not making the deal. The deal was a bad one for them. It wasn't bad for Universal because Universal really, really needed it.

Disney's mistake was not pushing a DHS expansion quickly, whether it be Pixar Place, Carsland, or Star Wars. I don't see it as an unsurvivable error, however, since they can (and should) still push forward.

In other words, things have been stagnant.

And a sincere thank you for giving a concise, honest answer above to my question. That's all I asked, and it is appreciated. I doubt any of us enjoy going around and around in circles when we agree on some points. The stagnation at DHS does not detract from developments at the other parks, but its a problem for that one park.

 

[ABQ]

Full day for WHO?
The mentality of full day still makes my head shake.. because most of the opinions counted for "full day" are if you take pure "ride only" and "commando mentality" as the default for every visitor.

I agree. And no doubt someone will chime in with how super easy it was for them to see every possible nook and cranny of this or that park and they never once rushed to a single attraction, but still, I find I spend a whole day even in the AK, while avoiding Dinoland like it's infected, and don't repeat things. Add 5-7 attractions and I'd be unable to see them all. But that's just me. I'd say I'm somewhere in between super slow and uber commando in my style.

 

[dadddio]

Are you sure who moved the goalposts, because it sure wasn't me...

The 'stagnant' conversation was regarding WDW as a whole. Your reference to it in post 675 was solely referring to DHS. If you were simply asking the question about DHS and were not jumping into nor'easter, lazyboy, and the other one's weak argument, then I apologize.

 

[Cesar R M]

do we know fast and furious is coming? I know its going to hollywood

Is fast and furious still a thing?
I mean, popularity wise.
I expected it to be deader than Elvis Presley.
They have burned the franchise severely IMHO.

You mean the post quoted above? We were talking about Hollywood Studios recent additions:

New Fantasyland is located in the Magic Kingdom, not Hollywood Studios.
Avatar is to be located in Animal Kingdom, not Hollywood Studios.
MyMagic+ is not an attraction. If you can explain how to ride a Magic Band, or how a band can sing & dance for you in a show, then it qualifies.

How does any of the above constitute an addition to Hollywood Studios, which was the question asked.

So again, about Hollywood Studios, what are the "things" you contend are happening there? Because if there aren't any, it's that "S" word again.

A++ for that magicband post lol!
And I agree, My Magic is more of a System and infrastructure upgrade than anything related to attraction or show.

 

[Cesar R M]

I agree. And no doubt someone will chime in with how super easy it was for them to see every possible nook and cranny of this or that park and they never once rushed to a single attraction, but still, I find I spend a whole day even in the AK, while avoiding Dinoland like it's infected, and don't repeat things. Add 5-7 attractions and I'd be unable to see them all. But that's just me. I'd say I'm somewhere in between super slow and uber commando in my style.

I think many people forget what the definition of "enjoy the parks" is.
I dont know why so many people, seems to have the mentality that joy = stress yourself. All to break the record of how many times you have boarded the attractions per day.

Of course, I do consider waiting in queue too much as very stressful and a waste of time.

 

[seascape]

Nor'easter was clearly referring to WDW. I know this because he used the term 'WDW', not 'DHS'. Here it is:

Incidently, this wasn't a case of his using the wrong term in a conversation solely about DHS because this is the post he was replying to:

You guys want to argue your talking points so badly that you lose track of what is at issue.

I don't want to be picky on this but you were the one who brought up Disney Parks. I was only responding to the Disney park issue. Disney Parks is more than WDW and everone knows that. If you wanted to keep this just to Orlando than you should have left Disney Parks out of it and just said WDW.

 

[dadddio]

Is fast and furious still a thing?
I mean, popularity wise.
I expected it to be deader than Elvis Presley.
They have burned the franchise severely IMHO.

That's what I was thinking, also. Then I realized that they've made something like 79 sequels to the thing so it must be pretty popular. Also, I'm not sure that it matters if the IP dies on this one. A well-done 'fast driving' attraction is probably going to be fun even if you never watched the movies. The Vin Diesel thing is the part that might bite them.

 

[dadddio]

I don't want to be picky on this but you were the one who brought up Disney Parks. I was only responding to the Disney park issue. Disney Parks is more than WDW and everone knows that. If you wanted to keep this just to Orlando than you should have left Disney Parks out of it and just said WDW.

I have no opinion on that. I was merely responding to nor'easter's claim that WDW was 'stagnant'.

(It should be noted that you replied to nor'easter's comment about Disney Parks, not mine.)

 

[Acolli18]

Anyone have a map of where Wizarding World of Harry Potter would have fit into WDW?

 

[Quinnmac000]

Some of you just need to Let it Go...Let it Go...you are beating a dead horse. Let it go...let it go...People are pressing ignore.

 

[DinoInstitute]

Anyone have a map of where Wizarding World of Harry Potter would have fit into WDW?

No map, but most likely it would have gone in SoA i guess

 

[FigmentJedi]

Anyone have a map of where Wizarding World of Harry Potter would have fit into WDW?

No map, but most likely it would have gone in SoA i guess

I could picture a Potter-flavored Beastly Kingdom. Emphasize dragons and the Forbidden Forest and there you go.