News Disney plans to accelerate Parks investment to $60 billion over 10 years

[UNCgolf]

I couldn’t connect those dots. I have to admit that was a bit of a non-linear connection of thoughts lol. I like POR quite a bit, the foliage and landscaping is nice and it doesn’t cost 800$ a night.

POR is by far the best value among on-property hotels IMO -- not that that's necessarily saying much considering how jacked up the prices are across the board.

 

[Lilofan]

POR is by far the best value among on-property hotels IMO -- not that that's necessarily saying much considering how jacked up the prices are across the board.

Port Orleans is right next to the fanciest and best guest service resort on property - WDW Four Seasons.

 

[Drdcm]

Port Orleans is right next to the fanciest and best guest service resort on property - WDW Four Seasons.

I love four seasons, but don’t want to drop that dough in Orlando. That’s our go to for overseas relaxing options… and Hawaii

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I love four seasons, but don’t want to drop that dough in Orlando. That’s our go to for overseas relaxing options… and Hawaii

You’ll feel different when Bob builds a dvc ontop of country at all star music and farms out the operation to mandarin oriental

 

[UNCgolf]

Port Orleans is right next to the fanciest and best guest service resort on property - WDW Four Seasons.

I don't think the Four Seasons is technically on property (although it may be).

Regardless, I meant Disney owned/operated hotels.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't think the Four Seasons is technically on property (although it may be).

Regardless, I meant Disney owned/operated hotels.

Four seasons owns the land

That’s what made it a unique deal when it happened

It’s not the Swolphin

 

[IanDLBZF]

POR is by far the best value among on-property hotels IMO -- not that that's necessarily saying much considering how jacked up the prices are across the board.

Which one? French Quarter or Riverside?

 

[UNCgolf]

Four seasons owns the land

That’s what made it a unique deal when it happened

It’s not the Swolphin

That's what I thought, because I think the golf course used to be a Disney course and Four Seasons bought and renovated it too.

 

[UNCgolf]

Which one? French Quarter or Riverside?

Riverside for me, although French Quarter is nice too and they're so close together they're almost like one resort. You can walk from the Riverside lobby area to the FQ lobby area in like 10 minutes. I think it's about half a mile.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That's what I thought, because I think the golf course used to be a Disney course and Four Seasons bought and renovated it too.

Indeed…

There were two courses there by Dye/Fazio

Eagle Pines and Osprey Ridge

I have no idea what they call them know amongst gaudy low quality mansions?

 

[Bocabear]

Being near the Four Seasons does nothing for you as a guest if you are at POR...lol You can't use the amenities, and the rooms are not Four Seasons quality...
Even Disney's Deluxe hotels like Grand Floridian ETC are not up to the Four Seasons quality...

 

[MR.Dis]

I agree you have to spend to make…

But the management has decided against the model that worked for 50 years and decided limiting investment and raising scarcity is the way to go.

They already told you what they thought they had to do to counter universal’s expansion: nothing.
Disney
They did nothing. And now they’ll string out the next set of repurposing.

When someone tells you who they are…BELIEVE THEM

Do not disagree with you. I do believe Disney was legitimately scared to invest billions of dollars as long as the law suites were unsettled. IF (a big if) Florida and Disney hammer out a development plan that both can live with, things can move forward, I am not a Disney apologist by any means, but I did a deep dive of Disney's investment prior to Covid. When you total the investment it is quite impressive. Quickly, but not all inclusive was over a billion in the magic band technology, the redevelopment of MK's Storybook area, Pandora, Toy Story land, Star War land, Mickey and Minnie RR, The Rat ride, Guardians of the galaxy, and Tron. My complaint is that since Covid they have stopped with new capital expenditures. That is why I was greatly disappointed in the promotion of Chapek, a true penny pincher who had cut back on many of the above named projects. Your posts are witty and I find myself agreeing with most of what you post. I am just hopeful on this you are wrong (please be wrong as I really enjoy going to Disney and at 70 yr old, do not know how many years I have left).

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Do not disagree with you. I do believe Disney was legitimately scared to invest billions of dollars as long as the law suites were unsettled. IF (a big if) Florida and Disney hammer out a development plan that both can live with, things can move forward, I am not a Disney apologist by any means, but I did a deep dive of Disney's investment prior to Covid. When you total the investment it is quite impressive. Quickly, but not all inclusive was over a billion in the magic band technology, the redevelopment of MK's Storybook area, Pandora, Toy Story land, Star War land, Mickey and Minnie RR, The Rat ride, Guardians of the galaxy, and Tron. My complaint is that since Covid they have stopped with new capital expenditures. That is why I was greatly disappointed in the promotion of Chapek, a true penny pincher who had cut back on many of the above named projects. Your posts are witty and I find myself agreeing with most of what you post. I am just hopeful on this you are wrong (please be wrong as I really enjoy going to Disney and at 70 yr old, do not know how many years I have left).

It’s really complicated…buried deep in their data mining archives that they have been collecting for decades…
But the most we can hope for are counter moves and some fleshing out. Another park does not…will not make sense.

Hell…you think they care? They can’t bother to run blizzard beach when it’s 95 degrees anymore.

They do not care.

 

[britain]

Force Awakens is the 5th highest grossing movie of all time and The Last Jedi is the 19th - While I fully agree that their popularity doesn't match their box office success, "unproven" doesn't exactly paint the full picture. Which is part of what I mean by saying the situation is nuanced.

They threw 2 Billion dollars into the Galaxy's Edges because they genuinely thought people would want it, and had reason to think so, not because they figured guests would take whatever they gave them. GE was considered a prestige project and was intended to deliver, not to just throw guests a bone. There's a big difference between genuine miscalculation and an intentional whiff, and this was the former.

In retrospect, I think WDI (probably Trowbridge) and Chapek kept looking at the full spread of planned Star Wars offerings and thought it checked all the boxes, which it does IF you include the Hotel in the equation.

But keeping the live battles “exclusive” to the hotel really hurts the vibe of Batuu. There should be shootouts and lightsaber fights there every hour on the hour. No one would be complaining about missing Bantha rides or timelines if it was an exciting town rather than a sleepy town.

 

[Mark Dunne]

Fix imagination pavilion ! Re think adventure land, fix Tomorrowland's stitch's escape , laughter floor, and speedway! re do peter pan flight, to make an attraction worthy of 80 min queue. Disney doesn't need to build anything new, just look after what they have, how can they spend so much re imagining EPCOT, when nothing was spent on the Imagination area, bring figment back to 2ft dragon with a human dream finder interacting with him, not some 6ft wally falling over in a suit , honestly how can they get that so wrong .

 

[ToTBellHop]

In retrospect, I think WDI (probably Trowbridge) and Chapek kept looking at the full spread of planned Star Wars offerings and thought it checked all the boxes, which it does IF you include the Hotel in the equation.

But keeping the live battles “exclusive” to the hotel really hurts the vibe of Batuu. There should be shootouts and lightsaber fights there every hour on the hour. No one would be complaining about missing Bantha rides or timelines if it was an exciting town rather than a sleepy town.

Absolutely. It really wouldn’t be that hard to “fix” SWGE. It has the necessary bones.

 

[wannabeBelle]

Absolutely. It really wouldn’t be that hard to “fix” SWGE. It has the necessary bones.

The have to do it right though, isnt that right @Master Yoda ???

 

[Naplesgolfer]

Fix imagination pavilion ! Re think adventure land, fix Tomorrowland's stitch's escape , laughter floor, and speedway! re do peter pan flight, to make an attraction worthy of 80 min queue. Disney doesn't need to build anything new, just look after what they have, how can they spend so much re imagining EPCOT, when nothing was spent on the Imagination area, bring figment back to 2ft dragon with a human dream finder interacting with him, not some 6ft wally falling over in a suit , honestly how can they get that so wrong .

I think you are wrong about them not needing anything new. they are probably 12-16 attractions low . They have 25% more guests and no net new attractions ( many worse if you gauge it by guest through put by hour). This has lead to the mess WDW is now. They haven't invested enough over the last 15 years and where they did invest, the money wasn't spent wisely. Almost as if they have lost the knowledge of how to run a theme park. The decision makers don't walk in their guests footsteps so they don't have a clue.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I think you are wrong about them not needing anything new. they are probably 12-16 attractions low . They have 25% more guests and no net new attractions ( many worse if you gauge it by guest through put by hour). This has lead to the mess WDW is now. They haven't invested enough over the last 15 years and where they did invest, the money wasn't spent wisely. Almost as if they have lost the knowledge of how to run a theme park. The decision makers don't walk in their guests footsteps so they don't have a clue.

I totally agree WDW needs more attractions, BUT now that they are selling Genie+, they are now incentivized NOT to add attractions.

Remember, Genie+ is money coming in that costs them absolutely nothing to make.

 

[Andrew25]

Absolutely. It really wouldn’t be that hard to “fix” SWGE. It has the necessary bones.

Insane that all they have to do is layer in soundtracks from the films and a stunt show... SWGE can be fixed overnight.