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MansionButler84

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No
It's not really about the complaining. I do skip past a lot of it. And I complain as well. You're sort of missing my point in mentioning that, with all due respect.

I've asked you what we can do and you aren't really answering that. I'm all for changing the mindset but they don't listen to us, even you acknowledge that. So what does complaining accomplish? I'm not being snarky or saying I don't think the complaints are valid. You have read most of my posts, no?

So tell me what can be done, constructively, to change the mindset that they have.

And answer me please, what does complaining and hating what they do on principle solve or accomplish? It doesn't. It's not about not having an opinion, I'm the first one to remind people this is a discussion board and opinions widely vary ...

And also knowing things like you do and knowing what could be and what it won't be, maybe isn't always the best.

I'm disappointed too but I'm not going to protest certain things out of spite or on principle unless I knew it accomplished something. So again, please tell me how we can do something about it.
We have impacted some projects in the past. And I'll leave it at that.
 

Kman101

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We have impacted some projects in the past. And I'll leave it at that.
That's all I was looking for. Thank you. But if we want things to change, we have to be united on certain things. I understand complaints serve a purpose but I want to know that it is serving a purpose. That's all.

And why the secrecy on what's been impacted? I'd like to know that we do make a difference. I'm guessing Tower of Terror for one.

I don't think anything I asked was unreasonable or anything. Like I said I want to know we're making a difference and what we should be fighting against.

They aren't stopping IPs or toons in Epcot. I'd prefer to stop that and a lot of other things as well but you know they ultimately will do what they want to do.
 

wdisney9000

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What have we done to change anything?
What have our endless complaints done? What can they do?
they ultimately will do what they want to do.
The very essence of layered theme with fluidity and true cohesiveness is being dismantled in favor of single layer, flashy, lazy storytelling lacking soul but with a themed cup cake to create "synergy".

I would rather voice my concern and be labeled a "complainer" , than applaud and accept minimal effort. Will I still visit and spend money? yes. There are still many aspects of the resort which I enjoy have yet to be meddled with. Which is also a reason I send emails to the company and "complain" here, in an effort to prevent further pigeonholing. The individual complaints and emails may seem insignificant, but they will accumulate over time. With enough people properly voicing concern, it will eventually be hard to ignore.
 

Goofyernmost

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Are we really conditioned now to accept that a change of theme and IP overlay is actually okay? Like it's the norm and should be expected?
I hate to always point out how little control we have over what they want their parks to be, but, again, it may very well be that change of theme and IP overlay is the new norm and should be expected. What is the use of feeling otherwise? We lack the power to change anything and some source of information they possess, that we don't, might just be saying this is the way to go to maximize profit and not really do any damage to attendance. Would I like it to be that way? Of course not, but, it will be whatever they decide they want it to be, so why get ulcers over it. We either accept the way it is or what it is becoming and spend our money there or we find a different diversion and put some variety into our lives. Personally, I plan to go the later direction. WDW or Disney in general no longer speaks to me. OK, the world doesn't revolve around me, so somethings like ageing, death, taxes and the whims of Disney have to be accepted, not liked, but, accepted. The difference between the four things I just mentioned is that we don't have to participate in the last one unless we decide to do so. The other three give us a lot less choice.:)
 

Kman101

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The very essence of layered theme with fluidity and true cohesiveness is being dismantled in favor of single layer, flashy, lazy storytelling lacking soul but with a themed cup cake to create "synergy".

I would rather voice my concern and be labeled a "complainer" , than applaud and accept minimal effort. Will I still visit and spend money? yes. There are still many aspects of the resort which I enjoy have yet to be meddled with. Which is also a reason I send emails to the company and "complain" here, in an effort to prevent further pigeonholing. The individual complaints and emails may seem insignificant, but they will accumulate over time. With enough people properly voicing concern, it will eventually be hard to ignore.
I'm actually not saying don't complain but that seems to be what's being focused on. I just think a more concerted effort than just complaining is more effective. What have we done to stop what they're doing? Not being snarky but they do what they want. I want to know that it makes a difference and they've shown it really doesn't so why come off as just being seen as complainers? I voiced complaints about them closing GMR in the park. I complain about what they do quite a bit. Can we stop the Tiki room? Mickey going into GMR?
 

HMF

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Are we really conditioned now to accept that a change of theme and IP overlay is actually okay? Like it's the norm and should be expected?
As I said the only way under the Bobs to preserve the parks is for the Film Studios to shut down. Not that I really want or expect that to happen.
 

RoysCabin

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There's one part of all of this that does make me stop and consider a couple of factors; I've read a couple accounts here and there of people who are of the mind that the Hollywood "franchise bubble" could potentially burst within the next few years (of course, those analyses also add caveats that things could work out just fine for the current movie business model with the right circumstances), that especially in 2018 we're projected to be in a movie scene that has a tentpole/franchise release coming out for mass release every weekend and that at some point those big ticket movies are going to thoroughly cannibalize each other, leaving only a few standing, likely with the Avengers Infinity War flicks near the top of the survivors list. It was actually Steven Spielberg and George Lucas who posited this, noting how we increasingly live in a world where there are fewer and fewer "mid level" movies like simpler comedies or thrillers, and instead we get bigger and bigger gambles on potential blockbusters.

The question that comes to mind for me is: does this potential for a bubble burst have any possible impact on theme park design, given that theme parks have been moving in the franchise direction to keep pace with what Hollywood is putting out? I'm not trying to play wishful thinking on my part: I'm pretty clearly of the crowd that would prefer to go back to a model where most theme park experiences had less to do with pre-existing properties, even if they were at least partially inspired by them, but I do think there are some serious questions here to consider should the Hollywood trend run into some kind of hiccup within the next few years. It's been mentioned before, for example, that IPs are nothing new in Disney theme parks, but what is new about the modern trend, at least since the late 90s or so, is how "in your face" some of the usage is, particularly with regards to overlaying older attractions and heavily pushing gift shops and merchandising to a degree not seen previous to that time (the irony on the movie side of this being that George Lucas basically has himself to blame, at least in part, for these developments). Do we hit a snag at some point where the call to make more and more large scale attractions of tentpole franchises creates some kind of bubble effect, whether by overshooting consumer demand or by simply running out of space for all of them at current theme parks?

I'm spitballing here, not claiming to have any notion or idea if any of this will happen or what the impact on theme parks might be, but I think it would be wise to at least be considered by those in positions to do so. I know the modern corporate mindset is more "just focus on the next two quarters"...I simplify for effect, I realize...but there are questions to be answered here about what happens if the current Comic Con-ing of the entertainment world doesn't end up having staying power.
 

the-reason14

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Are you saying DL Splash is better? We are doing our first DL trip after Xmas... WDW Splash is my favorite ride on property. If there's a better version at DL, I just got even more excited
No. The DL version of splash is incoherent in comparison to the WDW one. The story is not as clear, and you move by the scenes too quickly to appreciate that there are more AAs in the DL version. How anyone can think the DL version of splash is better is beyond me, but to each their own. I'm one of the only people in existence to think that WDW's space is superior, but that's mostly the nostalgia talking in me.
 

Bocabear

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WDW's Space mountain is superior...It has aged, but was a much grander vision from the very beginning...far superior in every way.. Over the years, DL version got on-board audio and a re-track... If we got the same things ours would absolutely be the best version. The DL version of Splash was the first built, but actually for a change, WDW did get the better version..More effects, leapfrog fountains in the laughing place...all in all a better attraction... despite what maintenance issues it might have from time to time.
 

L.C. Clench

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Honestly until attendance numbers significantly sink and raising prices no longer raises profits the odds are the bare minimum is all we can expect from them. They do just enough to give something "new" without actually having to provide something. I think the main problem is no one in any level of decision making actually understands crowd behavior. They look at lines and think "people love this" when a lot of it is just newness. When you go a Decade with no changes and finally something happens people flock to it.

That said I don't think overlays have to be bad. I think they are often done poorly but as much as I loved Dreamflight I enjoy Buzz more. While that's the only positive one I can think of it is still proof to me that it is possible. Iger has said in terms of the movies he sees plugging in the live action remakes as risk free movies and in much the same way he sees plugging in IPs at the parks as risk free regardless of quality. I've never gotten a feel that he ever really does anything with the parks of consequence and may not even know what makes a quality ride.

They aren't doing anything with GMR anyway so I'm not sure I care about it going away. It's more sad to look at stagnation which is what we've done on he past 15 plus years (sorry I don't see narration and intro movies as updates) than it is to just see something go.
 

Daveeeeed

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I think the issue is how negativity sucks, no matter what form as it just brings you down.

People seem to use the ways they're running things as an outlet here. Obviously I like many care about the parks and hate the way they're running things, but I still love Disney, the history, and even today I really do enjoy it still.

Maybe instead of initially finding a way to critique something just critique when something happens that absolutely sucks like DCA's Tower of Terror. But the minor things it's just not worth it.
 

wannabeBelle

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I agree. I am not a negative type normally and with Disney it is the same. In most cases, I am more than willing to take a wait and see approach. There have been exceptions to that when I was friendly with people who were laid off due to the changes ( Off Kilter & Mulch Sweat & Shears most notably) I am looking forward to many of the changes we are hearing about and I love hearing the speculation as to what will be built. The only issue I have right now is with timing. The timing of these projects, mostly in the Studios, is just awful. TSL should have been started a long time ago. When that was done, start on the Star Wars end of things, so the park doesn't have a lack of things to do and real estate to do it in! As mentioned before, this park needs all of it's existing attractions and then some! I just wish that the projects that are being done were better spaced out to allow the further development of the park without taking away from the experience of the guest. Marie
 

Bocabear

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I think the issue is how negativity sucks, no matter what form as it just brings you down.

People seem to use the ways they're running things as an outlet here. Obviously I like many care about the parks and hate the way they're running things, but I still love Disney, the history, and even today I really do enjoy it still.

Maybe instead of initially finding a way to critique something just critique when something happens that absolutely sucks like DCA's Tower of Terror. But the minor things it's just not worth it.
but that's all subjective...some things are more important to some people than other things...
Critique is good, discussion is good, let's just not attack each other. that's all.
 

Mike S

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I like RnR, not saying I'd love a Guardians overlay, but are we really that attached to Aerosmith? Or just against Marvel? They could do a lot with this coaster.
I'm against not building new for something as important as one of the very select few Marvel IPs that can be used in WDW.
Honestly until attendance numbers significantly sink and raising prices no longer raises profits the odds are the bare minimum is all we can expect from them. They do just enough to give something "new" without actually having to provide something. I think the main problem is no one in any level of decision making actually understands crowd behavior. They look at lines and think "people love this" when a lot of it is just newness. When you go a Decade with no changes and finally something happens people flock to it.

That said I don't think overlays have to be bad. I think they are often done poorly but as much as I loved Dreamflight I enjoy Buzz more. While that's the only positive one I can think of it is still proof to me that it is possible. Iger has said in terms of the movies he sees plugging in the live action remakes as risk free movies and in much the same way he sees plugging in IPs at the parks as risk free regardless of quality. I've never gotten a feel that he ever really does anything with the parks of consequence and may not even know what makes a quality ride.

They aren't doing anything with GMR anyway so I'm not sure I care about it going away. It's more sad to look at stagnation which is what we've done on he past 15 plus years (sorry I don't see narration and intro movies as updates) than it is to just see something go.
Not really or else he wouldn't be throwing so much at Star Wars. In that case, he does see a risk of screwing it up.
 
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L.C. Clench

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Not really or else he wouldn't be throwing so much at Star Wars. In that case, he does see a risk of screwing it up.
Star Wars is about as risk free as you can get and they are already going as low risk as possible with it.

There is 40+ years of evidence that people will throw money at anything that says Star Wars and people are already salivating at playing around in a themed flea market with two new rides and a hotel as an attraction.

If it was Brave Little Toaster land I'd say that's a risk. Star Wars land not so much.
 

L.C. Clench

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I think the issue is how negativity sucks, no matter what form as it just brings you down.

People seem to use the ways they're running things as an outlet here. Obviously I like many care about the parks and hate the way they're running things, but I still love Disney, the history, and even today I really do enjoy it still.

Maybe instead of initially finding a way to critique something just critique when something happens that absolutely sucks like DCA's Tower of Terror. But the minor things it's just not worth it.
But not everyone thinks that the DCA Tower change sucks. Some people are excited about the change.

Is it just don't be negative unless is something I think is negative and then feel free to be negative.
 
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