News Disney Not Renewing Great Movie Ride Sponsorship Deal with TCM ; Attraction to Close

flynnibus

flynnibus

Premium Member
po1998 said:
I am so sick of attraction replacement versus attraction expansion.
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It's reality tho.. replacement means you keep your general overhead in check with previous. Expansion every time isn't an option.. both space, overhead, and maintenance. To add an attraction means to add staff, utilities, maint, etc.. and STILL having to update the old attraction that was in dire need. In effect, to 'add' means to update TWO attractions instead of one. So its obvious which path is the easier one...
 
marni1971

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
flynnibus said:
It's reality tho.. replacement means you keep your general overhead in check with previous. Expansion every time isn't an option.. both space, overhead, and maintenance. To add an attraction means to add staff, utilities, maint, etc.. and STILL having to update the old attraction that was in dire need. In effect, to 'add' means to update TWO attractions instead of one. So its obvious which path is the easier one...
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But when what's being replaced could be fantastic again, and the park needs capacity....

I know. GMR costs a pretty penny to run and maintain. Mickey won't cost nearly as much. But this is TWDC.
 
Kman101

Kman101

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I think most of us know why they replace instead of actually add ... we aren't really gaining anything with the "expansion" of DHS. The new rides are replacing attractions that were there. Granted we're getting better things than what was replaced overall, but still ... they had a chance to actually add to the attraction count and they aren't. At least not yet. That's just dumb to me.

So from their standpoint it makes sense to shut down GMR (leaving the park with what, four rides?) but for the growth of the park it makes more sense to have made Mickey an added attraction, not a replacement.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

Premium Member
marni1971 said:
But when what's being replaced could be fantastic again, and the park needs capacity....
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Clearly you have to pick your horses.. I hate to lose GMR because I think it represents a great era of Disney attractions.. like Horizons did. Alas the 'golden era of hollywood' I don't think means anything to the generation behind us.. combined with lack of updates.. and the shift in the park's core concept.. GMR just seems like it's fighting a battle it's was forced to lose.

But what does it say about future Disney sponsorships.. where they took a deal with TCM that had such an early out??
 
Mike S

Mike S

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flynnibus said:
Clearly you have to pick your horses.. I hate to lose GMR because I think it represents a great era of Disney attractions.. like Horizons did. Alas the 'golden era of hollywood' I don't think means anything to the generation behind us.. combined with lack of updates.. and the shift in the park's core concept.. GMR just seems like it's fighting a battle it's was forced to lose.

But what does it say about future Disney sponsorships.. where they took a deal with TCM that had such an early out??
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Spaceship Earth could end up being the last of its kind... :(
 
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doctornick

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Kman101 said:
I think most of us know why they replace instead of actually add ... we aren't really gaining anything with the "expansion" of DHS. The new rides are replacing attractions that were there. Granted we're getting better things than what was replaced overall, but still ... they had a chance to actually add to the attraction count and they aren't. At least not yet. That's just dumb to me.

So from their standpoint it makes sense to shut down GMR (leaving the park with what, four rides?) but for the growth of the park it makes more sense to have made Mickey an added attraction, not a replacement.
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I wouldn't have as much of a problem with Mickey replacing the GMR if there were a legit "Phase 3" planned as another full land (or multiple additions in existing lands) to increase capacity. As is, it feels like they are "wasting" money on replacing a perfectly fine attractions that could be used to give the park an expansion that is desperately needed.
 
Kman101

Kman101

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doctornick said:
I wouldn't have as much of a problem with Mickey replacing the GMR if there were a legit "Phase 3" planned as another full land (or multiple additions in existing lands) to increase capacity. As is, it feels like they are "wasting" money on replacing a perfectly fine attractions that could be used to give the park an expansion that is desperately needed.
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Same. I still would hate to lose GMR, but I wouldn't be as opposed if I felt they had a plan for the future. They do seem to be wasting money and wasting this "expansion". I don't know how they don't "get it" .... granted what we're getting to replace the other attractions that closed are arguably better but that's not really the point. The point is we're not really getting any net gain of attractions right now. But if people keep going to the park with only barely a handful of attractions, why would they actually expand?

We should be getting updated shows (I know that's coming but that should have happened before the lands are being built), an updated Fantasmic!, a parade, an entirely updated Animation Courtyard (arguably with the Mickey ride there instead), an Indy ride where the stunt show is, Monstropolis/Cars Land/Toy Story Land/Star Wars Land. The park would be set.
 
uncle jimmy

uncle jimmy

Premium Member
doctornick said:
I wouldn't have as much of a problem with Mickey replacing the GMR if there were a legit "Phase 3" planned as another full land (or multiple additions in existing lands) to increase capacity. As is, it feels like they are "wasting" money on replacing a perfectly fine attractions that could be used to give the park an expansion that is desperately needed.
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Totally agree... The park needs more rides for capacity increases that it will see happening shortly. I've mentioned this before, but do you think after SWL opens they will move into a Phase 3 with either Indy+StarTours area or Tower+RNRC? I'm just thinking ahead and if they did move into a Phase 3 with taking 2 major capacity eating rides down... They would now have enough rides in the park to do so after SWL and TSL opens. I totally agree with you, they (will) need more!
 
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doctornick

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uncle jimmy said:
Totally agree... The park needs more rides for capacity increases that it will see happening shortly. I've mentioned this before, but do you think after SWL opens they will move into a Phase 3 with either Indy+StarTours area or Tower+RNRC? I'm just thinking ahead and if they did move into a Phase 3 with taking 2 major capacity eating rides down... They would now have enough rides in the park to do so after SWL and TSL opens. I totally agree with you, they (will) need more!
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I feel like once SW opens and is established (after, say, 6-12 mo), they will potentially close Launch Bay and either re-purpose that building -- whether back to an animation theme or to something else -- or replace it entirely. Launch Bay is mostly superfluous once the proper land opens. But that's basically a 2020 closure at the earliest, which means something new would be open well down the road.

Shorter term, I'd guess if they wanted to open up something sooner after SW opens, they'd demolish the Indy stunt show and build on that plot + into the backstage and even the parking lot area. I hope that this is under consideration and that it might happen as it is by far the most sensible thing. Maybe something like after the expanded parking and new entrance toll plaza are done + TSL opens to increase capacity, they could close the stunt show and work on that area. That would give them about a year to firm up plans and approve them.
 
uncle jimmy

uncle jimmy

Premium Member
doctornick said:
Shorter term, I'd guess if they wanted to open up something sooner after SW opens, they'd demolish the Indy stunt show and build on that plot + into the backstage and even the parking lot area. I hope that this is under consideration and that it might happen as it is by far the most sensible thing. Maybe something like after the expanded parking and new entrance toll plaza are done + TSL opens to increase capacity, they could close the stunt show and work on that area. That would give them about a year to firm up plans and approve them.
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I didn't think about expanding or building after TSL opens with the Indy Stunt Show area. They're adding another show into the theater with BATB, that will eat up more crowds if they closed the Indy Stunt Show.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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Kman101 said:
Same. I still would hate to lose GMR, but I wouldn't be as opposed if I felt they had a plan for the future. They do seem to be wasting money and wasting this "expansion". I don't know how they don't "get it" .... granted what we're getting to replace the other attractions that closed are arguably better but that's not really the point. The point is we're not really getting any net gain of attractions right now. But if people keep going to the park with only barely a handful of attractions, why would they actually expand?

We should be getting updated shows (I know that's coming but that should have happened before the lands are being built), an updated Fantasmic!, a parade, an entirely updated Animation Courtyard (arguably with the Mickey ride there instead), an Indy ride where the stunt show is, Monstropolis/Cars Land/Toy Story Land/Star Wars Land. The park would be set.
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There were 6 rides before this all started and in the end we'll have 9 so maybe not attraction count but they are increasing ride count.
 
HauntedMansionFLA

HauntedMansionFLA

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uncle jimmy said:
I didn't think about expanding or building after TSL opens with the Indy Stunt Show area. They're adding another show into the theater with BATB, that will eat up more crowds if they closed the Indy Stunt Show.
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What show are they adding into the theater with BATB? I missed that announcement from Disney?
 

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