Disney guest chokes girl who was blocking view of fireworks, deputies say

[DuckTalesWooHoo1987]

You actually do hear about Raiders fans getting into fights at games, just a few years ago there were reports about stabbings in parking lots at baseball games.

I'm a die hard Steelers fanatic and we had a fellow fan get killed this year by a Cowboys fan after a fight they got in. The guy went home after the fight and died later that night. Probably went to sleep with a concussion. There are youtube vids of Raider fans stabbing people. I hate the Raiders. Passionately.

 

[NelsonRD]

Unfortunately, raising prices will not help.

Undesirables come from both sides of the income scale. People will find a way to go. I would bet there are some who put off paying the mortgage for their trip. Additionally, thinking that less people will attend at a higher cost price point has also proven incorrect.

Also, increasing prices I think will only add to the problem. If the park ticket is $50, and you miss the fireworks, you still had a good day, but at $200 a day, the sense of value of how the park is toured is greatly increased. At a high price, you want to maximize that cost with the value, and I think we past that point.

I believe Disney needs to 'sell out' the park each day. Not the phased closures due to capacity, I think the tickets should be sold similar to a sporting event, and attempt to redistribute the crowds to families that are more flexible. Instead of a phased closure at 60k people, only sell 40k work of admission each day.

 

[drizgirl]

Unfortunately, raising prices will not help.

Undesirables come from both sides of the income scale. People will find a way to go. I would bet there are some who put of paying the mortgage for their trip. Additionally, thinking that less people will attend at a higher cost price point has also proven incorrect.

Also, increasing prices I think will only add to the problem. If the park ticket is $50, and you miss the fireworks, you still had a good day, but at $200 a day, the sense of value of how the park is toured is greatly increased. At a high price, you want to maximize that cost with the value, and I think we past that point.

I believe Disney needs to 'sell out' the park each day. Not the phased closures due to capacity, I think the tickets should be sold similar to a sporting event, and attempt to redistribute the crowds to families that are more flexible. Instead of a phased closure at 60k people, only sell 40k work of admission each day.

I understand what you're saying. But that's never going to happen. They keep building new resorts. Is that the move of a company that would consider lowering attendance caps?

 

[Kamikaze]

In short Yes thats exactly what I want and is needed as well with the huge crowds all its going to take is a kid sneaking in a string of firecrackers or one of those leafblowers on wheels backfiring and the crowd is gonna panic and people will be killed in the ensuing stampede

Fact dense crowds are dangerous and that fact is demonstrated too frequently at soccer games where people are crushed under fan stampedes

Crowds of any size can be dangerous. There are always going to be crowds at fireworks. Doesn't matter what else is going on. How much do you want crowds reduced? Give me a percentage.

Not necessarily. But I expect them to have enough offerings to occupy the ever growing hordes of people. If they still offered a night parade a bunch of those people near the hub might have been sitting on Main Street waiting for the next showing of MSEP (or a suitable replacement).

And by 'ever growing' you are of course completely ignoring the fact that attendance is actually down, right? They are making more money due to price increases, but they are doing so on less guests.

Also, Disneyland is the park that gets insanely packed. Much more than MK. And they are doing things like not letting people sit for parades far ahead of time. In fact, the fix for this problem is simple: Don't let people sit. Everyone has to stand. If they can't stand that long, they shouldn't be waiting there that long.

 

[seascape]

In short Yes thats exactly what I want and is needed as well with the huge crowds all its going to take is a kid sneaking in a string of firecrackers or one of those leafblowers on wheels backfiring and the crowd is gonna panic and people will be killed in the ensuing stampede

Fact dense crowds are dangerous and that fact is demonstrated too frequently at soccer games where people are crushed under fan stampedes

If you want lower crowds the correct way to achieve that is higher prices. As a pass holder I would like lower crowds too but as a stockholder I would be upset if they just lowered attendance and left revenue off the table. WDW has always been after the top 20% and not everyone. No matter what anyone here says the real middle has never been able to afford a Disney vacation.

 

[NelsonRD]

I understand what you're saying. But that's never going to happen. They keep building new resorts. Is that the move of a company that would consider lower attendance caps?

I know. The idea was some hope to redistribute people from the parks based on days and experiences with limits, something they won't do.

 

[drizgirl]

Crowds of any size can be dangerous. There are always going to be crowds at fireworks. Doesn't matter what else is going on. How much do you want crowds reduced? Give me a percentage.



And by 'ever growing' you are of course completely ignoring the fact that attendance is actually down, right? They are making more money due to price increases, but they are doing so on less guests.

Also, Disneyland is the park that gets insanely packed. Much more than MK. And they are doing things like not letting people sit for parades far ahead of time. In fact, the fix for this problem is simple: Don't let people sit. Everyone has to stand. If they can't stand that long, they shouldn't be waiting there that long.

Is attendance down in the Magic Kingdom? I wouldn't make that argument in the other parks, but this is the MK we're talking about.

And not everyone can stand that long. But I really don't think this is about sitting versus standing. I think it's about too many people in too little space. Tempers can flare even if everyone is standing.

 

[seascape]

I understand what you're saying. But that's never going to happen. They keep building new resorts. Is that the move of a company that would consider lower attendance caps?

How about changing the price structure and charge more for hotels and include park admission and only let season pass holders and those staying on propery into the parks.

 

[HauntedPirate]

If you want lower crowds the correct way to achieve that is higher prices. As a pass holder I would like lower crowds too but as a stockholder I would be upset if they just lowered attendance and left revenue off the table. WDW has always been after the top 20% and not everyone. No matter what anyone here says the real middle has never been able to afford a Disney vacation.

How about changing the price structure and charge more for hotels and include park admission and only let season pass holders and those staying on propery into the parks.

Only allowing AP and on-property guests into the parks would be leaving revenue on the table, but on the other hand you don't want Disney to leave revenue on the table. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Even by raising prices, which they've already done, it's the law of diminishing returns - eventually, they won't be able to grow margins by just increasing prices, and it will hurt the bottom line.

 

[drizgirl]

How about changing the price structure and charge more for hotels and include park admission and only let season pass holders and those staying on propery into the parks.

You're looking at this from a guest perspective. Disney wants onsite, offsite and AP guests all in the parks. They want it all. More guests, higher margins, all of it.

Sure they feel bad that someone choked a girl in the park. But they aren't calling emergency meetings this morning to find ways of decreasing their attendance. I'd stake my life savings on it.

 

[andysol]

I wish you are not allow to sit down during the fireworks. When we were there last, my daughter wanted to watch the fireworks close to the castle. When we got there, it was packed and almost everyone was sitting down. I refuse to sit on a dirty floor so I stood. When Wishes started a lady behind me told me to sit down. That ****ed me off so much so that I told her to **** off. She shut up after that. Funny thing is after about a minute everyone stood up. That's the last time I will ever watch the fireworks that close to the castle.

You sound lovely. I'm sure the parents of young children all around looked up to you as a beacon of class, decency and maturity.

 

[ppete1975]

they need to have all 4 parks full, even though the magic kingdom will always be the most full (in most peoples eyes it is Disney world especially first timers), because they let the parks languish for so long (cough cough epcot, and the park we will name later) they cant spead out the people. If they had kept up with the demand for new rides and upkeep I don't think it would be as bad as it is now. To be honest they need to expand the magic kingdom add about 5 e tickets, either a new land or 1 to each land (space would be an issue here) and that would fix a lot of the issues. They have the land, sure they would have to reclaim other wetlands and spend money... but they really need to have a 5 year plan of finish the park we will name later, upgrade epcot, open Pandora maybe redo dino land (its fun but too much space for something that doesn't eat people), and add several e tickets or d with HIGH CAPACITY to magic kingdom... personally I think the epcot, Pandora star wars land tsl and the rumors of things coming to magic kingdom might be the sign of some of it but it really comes down to spreading out the people..

 

[Tavernacle12]

Isn't part of the reason for Avatar, Frozen, Ratatouie, Toy Story, Rivers, Star Wars, etc, to lower crowding by taking some of the heat off MK?

Instead of raising ticket prices they could, I dunno, also invest in more people eater rides like Mansion.

 

[Superpocky]

You sound lovely. I'm sure the parents of young children all around looked up to you as a beacon of class, decency and maturity.

Ask me nicely, if you want my respect. Tell me what to do, you will only get attitude.

 

[drizgirl]

Isn't part of the reason for Avatar, Frozen, Ratatouie, Toy Story, Rivers, Star Wars, etc, to lower crowding by taking some of the heat off MK?

Instead of raising ticket prices they could, I dunno, also invest in more people eater rides like Mansion.

I think that's absolutely the point. But they seem to move much faster on hotel construction that on park construction. It's going to be long time before this pipeline starts to pay off. They needed to be priming that pipeline years ago.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I wish you are not allow to sit down during the fireworks. When we were there last, my daughter wanted to watch the fireworks close to the castle. When we got there, it was packed and almost everyone was sitting down. I refuse to sit on a dirty floor so I stood. When Wishes started a lady behind me told me to sit down. That ****ed me off so much so that I told her to **** off. She shut up after that. Funny thing is after about a minute everyone stood up. That's the last time I will ever watch the fireworks that close to the castle.

And good. You show up after area is full and don't follow what the crowd has decided. If everyone is standing, stand, if everyone is sitting... sit. No need to a poo head ruining things for everyone because you're stubborn.

 

[ppete1975]

Ask me nicely, if you want my respect. Tell me what to do, you will only get attitude.

I hope youre kidding... if not.. clear example of how these things escalate. I used to be a hot head, road rage, fights etc... then one day I grew up. Youre in the happiest place on earth. As someone once said "let it go". Who knows what the other person has been through that day, maybe their flight was late, they screwed up their reservation, the kids have been crying all day. People in general on vacation are stressed out, especially parents so sometimes they are more blunt than normal. You tell me to sit down ill prob look at you give you a smirk say I'm sorry and sit down. If I ask you to sit down and you cuss me out..... different result entirely. At the end of the day its not worth it smile and enjoy the fireworks.... or parade...or the ride when someone cuts in front of you..

This reminds me of when I went to see a movie the other day, 2 people were talking the entire time. My gf asked them to be quiet, they dropped an f bomb her direction and went back to talking, and I had to get involved. Once again... they should have just smiled said I'm sorry and shut up.

 

[drizgirl]

I wish you are not allow to sit down during the fireworks. When we were there last, my daughter wanted to watch the fireworks close to the castle. When we got there, it was packed and almost everyone was sitting down. I refuse to sit on a dirty floor so I stood. When Wishes started a lady behind me told me to sit down. That ****ed me off so much so that I told her to **** off. She shut up after that. Funny thing is after about a minute everyone stood up. That's the last time I will ever watch the fireworks that close to the castle.

And that's exactly how things escalate.

 

[DuckTalesWooHoo1987]

Crowds of any size can be dangerous. There are always going to be crowds at fireworks. Doesn't matter what else is going on. How much do you want crowds reduced? Give me a percentage.



And by 'ever growing' you are of course completely ignoring the fact that attendance is actually down, right? They are making more money due to price increases, but they are doing so on less guests.

Also, Disneyland is the park that gets insanely packed. Much more than MK. And they are doing things like not letting people sit for parades far ahead of time. In fact, the fix for this problem is simple: Don't let people sit. Everyone has to stand. If they can't stand that long, they shouldn't be waiting there that long.

I'm gonna be there for the last night of Wishes and the first night of Happily Ever After. I can only imagine how crazy people are gonna be acting in trying to get the "best seat" for the new show especially. I was also there for the soft open of the Mine Train and Disney done a surprise soft open a few days before the Rock Your Disney Side day and when they did they just spontaneously announced to all that were passing by the Mine Train that they were opening it for an extremely short time to everyone in the area. People literally knocked each other down and Cast Members and walked over people to get on it. Disney shut it down quick because of the stupidity of people. I suppose it was reckless of Disney to do it like that but it's just hard to imagine grown people acting like that over a coaster that was gonna open in just a couple of days anyway.

 

[peter11435]

And good. You show up after area is full and don't follow what the crowd has decided. If everyone is standing, stand, if everyone is sitting... sit. No need to a poo head ruining things for everyone because you're stubborn.

People shouldn't be allowed to sit on the ground for the fireworks. It's dangerous and lowers the capacity of the area.