Disney guest chokes girl who was blocking view of fireworks, deputies say

[Princess Leia]

they need to have all 4 parks full, even though the magic kingdom will always be the most full (in most peoples eyes it is Disney world especially first timers), because they let the parks languish for so long (cough cough epcot, and the park we will name later) they cant spead out the people. If they had kept up with the demand for new rides and upkeep I don't think it would be as bad as it is now. To be honest they need to expand the magic kingdom add about 5 e tickets, either a new land or 1 to each land (space would be an issue here) and that would fix a lot of the issues. They have the land, sure they would have to reclaim other wetlands and spend money... but they really need to have a 5 year plan of finish the park we will name later, upgrade epcot, open Pandora maybe redo dino land (its fun but too much space for something that doesn't eat people), and add several e tickets or d with HIGH CAPACITY to magic kingdom... personally I think the epcot, Pandora star wars land tsl and the rumors of things coming to magic kingdom might be the sign of some of it but it really comes down to spreading out the people..

There's something very ironic about an area called Dinoland that doesn't eat people

 

[Pixie VaVoom]

New Baltimore, Michigan - right on the edge of Lake Huron and prime realestate for absorbing all the toxic chemicals from the traveling oil tankers and industrial Detroit !! I grew up just 4 miles from New Baltimore. it used to be a nice small town, but it has been absorbed into the Detroit urban sprawl!! Yeah, It has gone trashy. In light of the hometown...This does NOT surprise me.

 

[Pixie VaVoom]

I hear people complain about the 2PM meltdown the little ones have, which is an expected phase and due to tiredness, over stimulation, etc. (understandable). Others complain when an Autistic person has a meltdown often influenced by over stimulation (also understandable). Then there are those that complain about simple things like viewing something in a crowded area as if they are the royalty or are holders of the Golden Ticket.

It all demonstrates pure intolerance of society now. How many people, including those flying off the handle, would have a superior vacation simply by learning tolerance and practicing it in a place like a Disney park? Plain stupid.

They can practice it anyplace !! it's all good !!

I have always asserted, you have every right to swing your FISTS, BUT - your rights END where it contacts someone else's NOSE !!

 

[Pixie VaVoom]

Good God!! Why can't adults act like adults?! And then the whole "You don't wanna mess with me" thing. Shaking my head. It's sad to see this happen, especially at WDW. Glad the victim is ok and is pressing charges.


PS. Was that Mama June?

She was probably in an "altered state"...and stupid !!

 

[mousehockey37]

Ok, so these girls were on a high school trip? Any chaperones? If no, why? If yes, where were they?

"The girl suffered no visible injuries, according to the report, but phoned her mother and both agreed to prosecute, the report said."

Did this event even happen? If the lady choked her, the girls friends would've taken pics/video, if not of the incident, at least the hand marks around her neck, but there's NOTHING... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You would think they would've yelled for CM's/security.

I agree with others, something's off here and this could be one of those situations where someone's trying to make a quick buck off of Disney.

It's just really odd that with the seas of viewfinders, iPads, cell phones, etc when fireworks start that nothing has materialized...

I get that this post isn't going to sit well with many of you, but sit back and think about this somewhat. There's things missing here.

 

[Tori]

I am pretty confident the front of the hub has always been reserved as a sitting area, but could be wrong. I think that's why people stake out that area.

I honestly don't care what you do as long as it follows what the CMs tell you and you are not disturbing other guests, but if the entire section has made an unspoken choice to sit, and you stand.. you're just an eggplant.

There would be benches if it was meant to be a sitting area.

 

[Dead2009]

Ok, so these girls were on a high school trip? Any chaperones? If no, why? If yes, where were they?

"The girl suffered no visible injuries, according to the report, but phoned her mother and both agreed to prosecute, the report said."

Did this event even happen? If the lady choked her, the girls friends would've taken pics/video, if not of the incident, at least the hand marks around her neck, but there's NOTHING... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You would think they would've yelled for CM's/security.

I agree with others, something's off here and this could be one of those situations where someone's trying to make a quick buck off of Disney.

It's just really odd that with the seas of viewfinders, iPads, cell phones, etc when fireworks start that nothing has materialized...

I get that this post isn't going to sit well with many of you, but sit back and think about this somewhat. There's things missing here.

"The victim's friends got the girl away and found a Walt Disney World employee to report the incident."

They found a CM, according to the article.

 

[Disney Analyst]

There would be benches if it was meant to be a sitting area.

But there's pretty much no benches in MK as it is haha.

I just mean, whenever I've been the front of the hub is an area where everyone sits. I believe the CM's at Disneyland instruct everyone in that area to sit, unsure the procedure at MK. I've never wanted to be that close during the show.

 

[S 2]

I think some people just really enjoy complaining, even if it means actively ignoring facts.

That is especially true for this site! I was blown away at the amount of that on this particular site when I first became a member. There are a handful of "veterans" on here, who seem to spend hours a day in the forums who are just so eager to go into attack mode and complain about EVERYTHING! I'm not surprised that there are trolls on the internet. I am still shocked though at how many make it onto a Disney board. It's like- they must be fans of disney parks, yet everything they say is a complaint! Like they could do it better than the imagineers! SMH

There's something very ironic about an area called Dinoland that doesn't eat people

HA!

Also: I think its worth celebrating that this is the first time I have successfully used a multiquote response! CHEERS!

 

[mousehockey37]

But there's pretty much no benches in MK as it is haha.

I just mean, whenever I've been the front of the hub is an area where everyone sits. I believe the CM's at Disneyland instruct everyone in that area to sit, unsure the procedure at MK. I've never wanted to be that close during the show.

When you have to camp out as long as you do for certain spots in the Hub, you're not going to stand for an hour. Not as big a problem at Epcot for Illuminations as the fireworks are in the enclosed lagoon, so people can view from all sides and still see the globe and such. So you can get there later and not have as many issues.

 

[S 2]

But there's pretty much no benches in MK as it is haha.

I just mean, whenever I've been the front of the hub is an area where everyone sits. I believe the CM's at Disneyland instruct everyone in that area to sit, unsure the procedure at MK. I've never wanted to be that close during the show.

One of the coolest parts of getting to see the Electrical Parade last year was that when it started everyone stayed seated after it began! I was totally expecting my view to be blocked and it never was. I found it unexpectedly pleasant and it really added to my experience! I am now a HUGE fan of the MSEP and I hope they leave it unchanged for centuries to come! I even made a short amateur tribute video!

 

[drizgirl]

So first you say that Disney is planning absolutely no expansions with new rides or restaurants to deal with capacity issues.

Then you dismiss the biggest expansions in 20 years as "a couple rides and shops".

I think some people just really enjoy complaining, even if it means actively ignoring facts.

Never said they were planning no expansions. That would just be stupid. Just not enough to make up for 1) the long dry spell leading up to the additions 2) things they've closed in the course of that and 3) growth in crowds over that time (including the increased demand the new things will bring). I really don't see anything on the books that will outpace crowd inflation.

 

[Otterhead]

I really don't see anything on the books that will outpace crowd inflation.

Uh huh. Not, y'know, a massive new Star Wars land with multiple E-tickets, eateries, and common areas. Or a massive new Pandora area. Or a new Toy Story land. Or the new nighttime Animal Kingdom show. It's good that you know better than the Imagineers and the folks whose job it is to plan these things.

 

[mousehockey37]

Uh huh. Not, y'know, a massive new Star Wars land with multiple E-tickets, eateries, and common areas. Or a massive new Pandora area. Or a new Toy Story land. Or the new nighttime Animal Kingdom show. It's good that you know better than the Imagineers and the folks whose job it is to plan these things.

I think, and dare I say it, this is where the mention of the dreaded 5th gate comes in. Disney is doing a lot of demo within spaces that already exist. If I'm going the wrong way from @drizgirl is, then I apologize, but not everyone likes Star Wars, Toy Story or Avatar. There are people who are currently holding off on Disney vacations until some of these lands (mostly Star Wars Land) is done. So you're going to have a pretty big influx of people at that time, in addition to normal vacationers.

Anyway, let's get this thing back on topic...

 

[Otterhead]

this is where the mention of the dreaded 5th gate comes in.

I think WDW will survive perfectly well without adding a kajillion dollar 5th gate for the sake of eating traffic and nothing more.

 

[mousehockey37]

I think WDW will survive perfectly well without adding a kajillion dollar 5th gate for the sake of eating traffic and nothing more.

I think so too, but I think that's kinda where that was headed.

I still think that this whole "Mature" thing is odd.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The solution to overcrowding is this, and only this. Expansion without raising daily attendance. Add more rides, more walkways, more shops/dining and more shows. Add and expand until the parks reaches comfortable crowd levels, then, and only then do you consider raising attendance due to the added capacity.

Problem is that the hub has limited capacity. If you expand everywhere else in the MK you get to pack in more people comfortably during the day. But when they all show up at the same time for the fireworks, then they can't all fit in the hub. This will be exacerbated by HEA where the hub is the only place to see the accompanying projections.

Oh for sure. MK is certainly not concerned about the capacity and crowding. They built the bypass/expanded the hub and that's good enough for now to them.

They are indeed concerned. They raised prices specifically to reduce peak attendance (while still offering deep discounts for off-peak). The one day ticket is surge priced. The lower AP tiers have black-out dates.

Problem is APs and generic tickets lead to awful crowd management issues. Disney don't sell a limited number of tickets for the MK (except for Holiday Party and other upcharge events). So, theoretically, every single person with an AP and everyone who bought 'park tickets' for the year could all show up on a Tuesday in September in MK resulting in tens of thousands being turned away. Would you like to be the one who's turned away at 10 AM because the park is already 'full'?

So, Disney can:

1. Regularly cap attendance to something the hub can comfortably manage, which would result in mass hysteria.
   
2. Or, they can start selling specific park tickets only good for specific days that will cap attendance, which, again, mass hysteria.
   
3. Or, they can keep price adjusting so as to create a de facto surcharge on peak times and discount off peak to spread crowds evenly throughout the year.
   
4. Or, without increasing room availability (which they're going to do already, so, this is moot), stuff big E-Ticket attractions in the less crowded parks.
5. Or, install a viewing stands in the hub, so, the fireworks crowd can be controlled like Fantasmic! or RoL (no seat, see)
6. Or, create a second or third night time show in the MK to divide the crowds (like F! and SWGalactic and Pixar concert in DHS)

I would think that 3 and 6 are the most manageable solutions. Mind you, I agree with what some others have said, raising prices reduces the crowd overall, it doesn't reduce crazy or rude people.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Problem is that the hub has limited capacity. If you expand everywhere else in the MK you get to pack in more people comfortably during the day. But when they all show up at the same time for the fireworks, then they can't all fit in the hub. This will be exacerbated by HEA where the hub is the only place to see the accompanying projections.




They are indeed concerned. They raised prices specifically to reduce peak attendance (while still offering deep discounts for off-peak). The one day ticket is surge priced. The lower AP tiers have black-out dates.

Problem is APs and generic tickets lead to awful crowd management issues. Disney don't sell a limited number of tickets for the MK (except for Holiday Party and other upcharge events). So, theoretically, every single person with an AP and everyone who bought 'park tickets' for the year could all show up on a Tuesday in September in MK resulting in tens of thousands being turned away. Would you like to be the one who's turned away at 10 AM because the park is already 'full'?

So, Disney can:

1. Regularly cap attendance to something the hub can comfortably manage, which would result in mass hysteria.
   
2. Or, they can start selling specific park tickets only good for specific days that will cap attendance, which, again, mass hysteria.
   
3. Or, they can keep price adjusting so as to create a de facto surcharge on peak times and discount off peak to spread crowds evenly throughout the year.
   
4. Or, without increasing room availability (which they're going to do already, so, this is moot), stuff big E-Ticket attractions in the less crowded parks.
5. Or, install a viewing stands in the hub, so, the fireworks crowd can be controlled like Fantasmic! or RoL (no seat, see)
6. Or, create a second or third night time show in the MK to divide the crowds (like F! and SWGalactic and Pixar concert in DHS)

I would think that 3 and 6 are the most manageable solutions. Mind you, I agree with what some others have said, raising prices reduces the crowd overall, it doesn't reduce crazy or rude people.

If you think the pricing structure was a way to spread crowds out, I think you are giving Disney a little bit too much credit.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Problem is that the hub has limited capacity. If you expand everywhere else in the MK you get to pack in more people comfortably during the day. But when they all show up at the same time for the fireworks, then they can't all fit in the hub. This will be exacerbated by HEA where the hub is the only place to see the accompanying projections.

Exactly what I have been saying for years. The solution is to add more nighttime entertainment/attractions etc. at the other 3 parks to spread the nighttime crowd around more. Make it something they want to go do or see, instead of flooding MK right before Wishes or HEA.

I know that we have RoL at AK, IRoE at EPCOT, and Fantasmic/SW at DHS, but it still doesn't seem to be enough of a draw to keep people away from MK.

Would also require that the other parks stay open much later as well.

 

[mousehockey37]

Exactly what I have been saying for years. The solution is to add more nighttime entertainment/attractions etc. at the other 3 parks to spread the nighttime crowd around more. Make it something they want to go do or see, instead of flooding MK right before Wishes or HEA.

I know that we have RoL at AK, IRoE at EPCOT, and Fantasmic/SW at DHS, but it still doesn't seem to be enough of a draw to keep people away from MK.

Would also require that the other parks stay open much later as well.

That's because MK is the Flagship park of the 4. You don't see SSE in Epcot as the flagship icon. It's Cinderella Castle.

The MK is encountering a problem now that they didn't think would ever become a problem when the park was built.