Disney guest chokes girl who was blocking view of fireworks, deputies say

[Disney Analyst]

People shouldn't be allowed to sit on the ground for the fireworks. It's dangerous and lowers the capacity of the area.

I am pretty confident the front of the hub has always been reserved as a sitting area, but could be wrong. I think that's why people stake out that area.

I honestly don't care what you do as long as it follows what the CMs tell you and you are not disturbing other guests, but if the entire section has made an unspoken choice to sit, and you stand.. you're just an eggplant.

 

[peter11435]

I am pretty confident the front of the hub has always been reserved a sitting area, but could be wrong. I think that's why people stake out that area.

I honestly don't care what you do as long as it follows what the CMs tell you and you are not disturbing other guests, but if the entire section has made an unspoken choice to sit, and you stand.. you're just an eggplant.

I'm just saying that I feel they should have cast members tell everyone to stand.

 

[DuckTalesWooHoo1987]

I'm just saying that I feel they should have cast members tell everyone to stand.

If people really want a pretty spacious way to watch the show then they should get a fastpass. It's relatively spacious anyway.

 

[drizgirl]

If people really want a pretty spacious way to watch the show then they should get a fastpass. It's relatively spacious anyway.

They discontinued fireworks fastpasses some time ago.

 

[DuckTalesWooHoo1987]

They discontinued fireworks fastpasses some time ago.

Oh wow. I didn't even realize that. I done it in September but won't be back for another few weeks and didn't think about getting a fastpass for it again. I really liked that area for viewing and I'm sure it's still available for viewing but will probably be a lot more crowded now.

 

[Otterhead]

Ask me nicely, if you want my respect. Tell me what to do, you will only get attitude.

Whatever the situation, anyone who swears in front of children in the Magic Kingdom should be asked to leave immediately.

 

[ChrisM]

Ask me nicely, if you want my respect. Tell me what to do, you will only get attitude.

It's not often that someone paints themselves as the villain of their own story.

 

[ford91exploder]

Unfortunately, raising prices will not help.

Undesirables come from both sides of the income scale. People will find a way to go. I would bet there are some who put off paying the mortgage for their trip. Additionally, thinking that less people will attend at a higher cost price point has also proven incorrect.

Also, increasing prices I think will only add to the problem. If the park ticket is $50, and you miss the fireworks, you still had a good day, but at $200 a day, the sense of value of how the park is toured is greatly increased. At a high price, you want to maximize that cost with the value, and I think we past that point.

I believe Disney needs to 'sell out' the park each day. Not the phased closures due to capacity, I think the tickets should be sold similar to a sporting event, and attempt to redistribute the crowds to families that are more flexible. Instead of a phased closure at 60k people, only sell 40k work of admission each day.

Crowding IS the root of the problem. MK was designed for about 45K guests (when it had more attractions and dining)

If the parks were operated at their design load WDW parks would be a much more relaxing experience and would be cheaper to maintain as well

But you need to do a bit of load levelling first.

Attractions like The World of Life need to reopen especially with the upswing in interest in health as we see with runDisney and WoL could have a runDisney showcase and sell runDisney merchandise to runDisney participants.

M:S needs to expand to the full spaceport concept perhaps in conjunction with SpaceX

Energy needs to showcase current energy tech and green building concepts

 

[rob0519]

I seriously wish Disney would keep jacking their prices up to weed out these white trash idiots. Let them go to Dollywood where they belong. Or Universal.

Wow, what a broad paintbrush. Elitist and judgmental in the same sentence. Not everyone who isn't in the 1% club is trash nor acts like an idiot.

 

[Dead2009]

Ask me nicely, if you want my respect. Tell me what to do, you will only get attitude.

To be fair, even if you were being sarcastic with your post, the respect went out the window when you chose to stand in front of them cause you didn't wanna sit on a "dirty ground".

 

[Incomudro]

I totally agree that rich people can be just as entitled but I was just thinking that when people are of the mindset already that everything is "too expensive" it raises their belligerence even more. Eventually people like that are gonna just give up on Disneyworld altogether.

People with more money are generally more educated, and/or generally have learned how to behave in public and social situations.
This is because those qualities are generally required to get a good job, maintain that job, and climb the ladder.
Generally.
It's why you'll find better behavior in say Nordstrom than Wallmart.

 

[Disney Analyst]

The solution to overcrowding is this, and only this. Expansion without raising daily attendance. Add more rides, more walkways, more shops/dining and more shows. Add and expand until the parks reaches comfortable crowd levels, then, and only then do you consider raising attendance due to the added capacity.

 

[drizgirl]

The solution to overcrowding is this, and only this. Expansion without raising daily attendance. Add more rides, more walkways, more shops/dining and more shows. Add and expand until the parks reaches comfortable crowd levels, then, and only then do you consider raising attendance due to the added capacity.

That's true. But nothing they have planned right now will do that. They close so much stuff when they open new stuff that they do the inverse of this, increasing attendance without significantly increasing attraction capacity.

But whatever keeps the overhead down, right? If Disney cared about having enough to occupy their guests, they would have a night parade in the MK tonight. Instead they are using MM+ to close down ride capacity and staff down in shops and restaurants when big data shows they will be having lower crowds.

 

[Disney Analyst]

That's true. But nothing they have planned right now will do that. They close so much stuff when they open new stuff that they do the inverse of this, increasing attendance without significantly increasing attraction capacity.

But whatever keeps the overhead down, right? If Disney cared about having enough to occupy their guests, they would have a night parade in the MK tonight. Instead they are using MM+ to close down ride capacity and staff down in shops and restaurants when big data shows they will be having lower crowds.

Oh for sure. MK is certainly not concerned about the capacity and crowding. They built the bypass/expanded the hub and that's good enough for now to them. Those are just bandaid solutions, but they don't really resolve the true issue. You have 3 other parks that do not match the quality and popularity of one park. They need to be more successful in spreading out the crowds first and foremost amongst their other properties (hopefully all this expansion is a start in that direction.) Then they need to focus on expanding MK.

They will never lower attendance levels per day unless a catastrophe were to happen that was found to have been caused by capacity levels. No business wants to say no to people coming and spending money. Their best best is to expand, and only increase levels once crowding issues have been alleviated.

 

[Since1976]

Note to tourists: Just because rude people are free-range does not mean you can take them down like animals, as much as you'd like to.

 

[S 2]

Thats as big of an ignorant statement as I have seen on here in a while. You obviously have not been to Dollywood because if you had you would have known that both the guests and the people that work there are some of the nicest, considerate people you will ever meet.

I couldn't agree more, how ironic for someone to blame ignorance inside of such an ignorant thought. A majority of these responses are ignorant though. So many different ways to justify a grown woman choking a teenager! It was her race! It was her income! Who can blame her? Her view was being blocked, she paid good money for those tickets! It's laughable. Aren't fireworks in the sky or did this change?

 

[Otterhead]

That's true. But nothing they have planned right now will do that.

I think that adding three multi-billion-dollar expansions, each with new restaurants and multiple E-ticket rides, counts as "expansion".

One might actually say it's some of the largest expansions they've done in decades.

 

[drizgirl]

I think that adding three multi-billion-dollar expansions, each with new restaurants and multiple E-ticket rides, counts as "expansion".

One might actually say it's some of the largest expansions they've done in decades.

Billions don't translate directly to adequate capacity. They ignored some of those parks for so long that I don't think a couple rides and some shops are going to even keep up with the increased crowds they will bring in.

 

[NelsonRD]

What I have found is raising prices does not directly reduce the number of undesirables. In theory, higher prices brings higher class, however, people seem to find a way.

I discovered this when deciding to send my girls to a private school opposed to public schools. I learned that no place is immune to bad behavior. We saw families that I believed could either - not afford a private school, or - the behavior characteristics of some of the other children was not better despite having a better home life. There was not a strong enough advantage for us to enroll them. My girls attend public school now, and have gravitated to other good kids. Sometimes they bring the bad behavior home, but the morals are installed, despite my income.

 

[Otterhead]

I don't think a couple rides and some shops are going to even keep up with the increased crowds they will bring in.

So first you say that Disney is planning absolutely no expansions with new rides or restaurants to deal with capacity issues.

Then you dismiss the biggest expansions in 20 years as "a couple rides and shops".

I think some people just really enjoy complaining, even if it means actively ignoring facts.