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Boardwalk Joe's said:I say bring back Horizons!
I say build a time machine ! :drevil:
Cause that's the only way you will see it.
Boardwalk Joe's said:I say bring back Horizons!
This is my position as well.Sharon L said:This is just another example of our society's inability to accept that sometimes bad things happen and there is no one to blame. As soon as something like this happens, the lawyers start sniffing around, and soon they have convinced the people involved that it is someone's fault and they should be punished, monetarily of course. These lawyers usually get about a third of the judgement or settlement. They are truly the villains in these stories.
believe it or not, not everyone has the internet.. and not everyone has the time to spend on these sites to gain this information about the ride.. When do people normally find out how intense M:S is?? When it is too late.. When they alreayd paid Disney thousands of dollars to stay and visit the parks... all because their 4 year old child saw what appeared to be a kiddie ride into space in a Disney commercial, obviously geared toward CHILDREN
wannab@dis said:I've never said the parents are to blame... I've been saying that there's nobody to blame.
Yes, of course... if I lost my little girl, I would be devastated. However, in the same situation, I wouldn't sue Disney. There's absolutely no way they would liable so doing so would not make sense and would not alleviate the pain. However, I wouldn't return and I would probably forever associate the parks with a horrible event.
MrNonacho said:No commercial has ever shown anyone on M:S doing anything but looking forward and pushing buttons.
Also, the VAST majority of little kids come off the ride smiling and saying how cool it was. Almost every person that comes off the ride queasy is an adult. It's been my experience that younger kids generally handle the ride better than their parents do.
ilovepluto23 said:I think it's safe to say that basically...noone is to blame. If tons of kids come off the ride smiling and just fine...and this one child died out of thousands of children...then there must have been an underlying, unknown condition. Noone is to blame that this wasn't found. Things can go undetected for years, but is that a physicians fault? A parent's fault? Not always. The human body is a strange yet amazing thing. It can only be figured out to a point. Hey, they're discovering new things in disease and medicine every day! (well...mainly b/c viruses have genetic shifts, drifts, etc. and then bacteria become resistant b/c doctors overuse antibiotics...that's going a bit too far).
Even though I find it common knowledge not to bring a child as young as 4 on a ride with G-forces...I assume a good bit of people don't think about it b/c it's a ride at WDW (and Disney's rides are probably the safest rides around). I guess suing is a way to grieve in a sense. What else can you do? Just go back home and pretend your child didn't die on a ride during vacation?
dumboflyer said:1. Sole Proximate Cause. Riding M:S was not the sole proximate cause of the child's death. This is evidenced by the preexisting heart condition and by the fact that NO ONE has ever died from riding M:S that didn't have a preexisting condition of some sort.
dxer07002 said:But by that argument, then no one should be held liable. I am not saying Disney should be held liable. I am clearly stating that the parents should not be trashed as idiots and bad parents.
The parents had questionable parenting skills by letting their 4 year old ride the ride. As a parent of a small child, I always go on a ride first by myself to see if it is appropriate for my child, we don't try something new that has a possibility of an adverse effect together. That is good that you test run a ride before letting your children on. And other parents SHOULD do the same. But, still, I do not see where this mother was wrong.. We cannot blame the father because he did not accompany them on this trip if i recall correctly. Questionable parenting skills would be plopping your child in front of a TV all day without watching what they are doing or monitoring their actions. Not giving your kids something to eat... I cannot question the parenting skills because the mother let her 4 year old son on a ride. As a matter of fact, it has been stated here before that other 4 year olds have been on this ride with no problems. The mother made the choice to let her son ride. I don't think she should be chastised for it.
You may say that Disney says the ride is safe, which it is. As a physician, there are many risks everyone takes in their lives, and some cannot be forseen. I am allergic to penicillin and almost died when I was 4 because of anaphylactic shock. If I did die, should my parents have had the right to sue the pediatrician becuase he gave me a medicine that I was severly allergic to and killed me? If yor doctor knew you were allergic and still gave it to you, then YES!!!!! But this is different. We assume Disney did not know this ride would have the problems it is having.
Disney has warned people not to go on this ride not only if they have a health conditon, but if there is a possibility of a health condition. Do they? The warnings state if you suffer from any of the following... The warning do not state IF YOU THINK YOU MAY HAVE A HEALTH CONDITION.. Get a picture of the warnings... Lets see for sure what the warnings say...
There are many other instances in life that cause harm and death becuase poor choices were made in instances that are safe to 99.999% of people but one person is effected by it. As for hundreds of people going to the hospital or being treated at the ride itself, I'd like to find out how many of those people have choosen to go on teacups, my guess is not many, and if they did how many felt similar to their experience on MS. I'm just so darn tired of people not taking responsibility for themselves or their children.:zipit Now this argument has resulted in comparing MS to the Tea Cups... why does it matter? Cause the Tea Cups spin?? I want to know how many sustained G's are on your body on the Tea Cups.. I want to know how many people have been on the tea cups and had the feeling of their skin peeling off their face.. I want to know how many people were on Tea Cups and had a ton of pressure applied to their chest. Have people gotten sick on tea Cups? UH huh... I would say more from spinning... And I would also venture to say, those same people who threw up, got sick from motion sickness from the Tea Cups and did not come off there feeling like they were having a heart attack... Whereas majority of those coming off M:S were SERIOUS enough to be rushed to the hospital... How many people came off Tea Cups with severe chest pains and needed an ambulance to be rushed to the hospital? I would say, not many, at least not as many as Mission: SPACE ...
People do get confused.. You know how many times I have corrected friends of mine who said the Hulk coaster was in Disney-MGM Studios??? They weren't there.. They saw an Universal commercial and assumed it was Disney. People are uninformed...STGRhost said:I can't tell you how angry this argument makes me. Not just in this case - I've heard it so many times... People will come to WDW and have no clue that there is even more than one park. "But we just want to see the castle...you know, at Disneyland", they'll tell the GR host at Animal Kingdom. Or "We want to ride Jaws" at The Studios...:brick:
Granted there are guide books out there that portray rides as they truly are... But, your post assumes people know that this stuff is out there... Maybe you have the time to read information on the internet, I mean, you do post here so you have the time.. Like the rest of us do.. but, there are people whi just don't have the time to get to a bookstore.. They may not even know guide books exist... I know it sounds lame, but there are people out there like this.... I don't think we can or should call them fools for that.. However, yes, Disney does send you information even without asking, just for making reservations, as long as you are staying on grounds... Now, if they don't read the pamphlets Disney sends, then shame on them... I actually keep the stuff Disney send me and I did look through it last night... And I believe I saw somewhere in the description of MS they do say it is an intesne flight to Mars.. not so much the exact wording...Why do people think that, just because they have spent money, they have NO obligation to know what they are paying for?! If you go of the parks (or anywhere, really) and spend thousands of dollars without knowing ANYTHING about that attraction, you are a fool (And a fool and his money are soon parted...). You don't even have to have a computer - you can go to the library and read the guides for FREE. Heck, you can do that at most bookstores if you're really desperate. Not to mention that Disney, as well as the tourism board in Florida, will send you information for free, just for asking. The information is out there if you want it.
That they do... And people should take advantage of the information Disney provides and follow up...And once you get to your destination, they have signs, pamphlets, and in Disney's case, people available to you that can spell out most basic info again. And they have the warning signs. These are not decorations. Buying a park ticket does NOT exempt you from having to read these signs (or suffer the consequences.) I have actually had guests ask me "You expect me to read this?!?" Well, yes, they do. That's WHY they write it, so you will read it.
The fact that Americans feel like things should be handed to them for free... it is ashame that people are like that, but they are... Doesn't make this right... And the sad thing is, they get away with it..We need to be responsible for ourselves. Where does this sense of entitlement, this Everyone-is-at-fault-but-me mentality, come from?
dumboflyer said:I don't know if anyone has already said this, b/c I don't have time to read through 200 posts right now. SO, if this is repetitious, please forgive me.
Why this Lawsuit will Fail
By Dumboflyer
1. Sole Proximate Cause. Riding M:S was not the sole proximate cause of the child's death. This is evidenced by the preexisting heart condition and by the fact that NO ONE has ever died from riding M:S that didn't have a preexisting condition of some sort.
2. Assumption of Risk. I understand the family's grief, but I think it's highly unlikely that the family sincerely believes that there wasn't adequate warning. More than likely, this issue was raised and is being pushed by the Plaintiff's attorney, who in turn is motivated by dividing the damages for a 4-year-old wrongful death by 3 to get his contingency fee.
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In short, this lawsuit is a LOSER with a capital L. Unless he's completely worthless, the Plaintiff's attorney knows this would get shot down by a jury, and he's just hoping for a cost-of-litigation settlement.
AND, lest any of you think I'm regurgitating any of this from some website, I would like to point out that I am currently employed as a law clerk in a firm that practices ONLY in insurance defense.
I've never said the parents are to blame... I've been saying that there's nobody to blame.
This kind of bothers me. Yes, the commercial shows a couple of kids enjoying the ride, but I have yet to see the correlation between the commercial and false advertising. How should the commercial be? Should it say something like 'This ride...could be YOUR last!' and then show kids freaking out in teh capsule and people throwing up? That would make no sense! They show WHAT the ride does, and up to how old/tall young kids have to be to enjoy it...do you really want them to add a 'fine' print at the end of the commercial saying people should be precautious because they might get sick or injured? I bet it wouldn't really make a difference to begin with...dxer07002 said:Next time the commercial comes on, pay attention to it... The two kids are laying down dreaming about going to Mars.. They then show 4 kids sitting inside the MS capsule holding the joystick and laughing as if this was some interactive, Buzz Lightyear ride...
my replies underlined.dig8x said:Disney does a fantastic job at putting up the signs, and I will not argue that at all. When I go into the park I see warnings for every ride I go on. I am just an average person, I do not have any medical condition that I know of, and so I do not worry about the warnings, as they do not pertain to me. I do not have heart problems that I know of, I am certainly not a pregnant female (I am in fact a man), and I do not suffer from motion sickness. To me, the signs essentially mean nothing. I have read them, and I understand them. Now who's problem is that? thats your own fault
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I believe majority of the Disney guests read them as well. Like me, I would bet majority of people pay no heed to them, because they do not know, or have any idea that something might be wrong inside them. The point is that the signs are overlooked. A reasonable person would surmise that Disney would not put a ride in that your average healthy person would be injured or possibly even die on. and the average healthy guest wont die on it...... However, the sad fact is this ride is really intense. Astronaughts, and Air force pilots are trained to be able to handle G force speeds. This is a ride that puts visitors through a force that the average person has never experienced, and the body is not made to handle. I would also like to specifically point out that in the article they are not saying the Engineers don’t understand what G Force is, but the average rider does not know what it is, and the stress it causes your body.
You've never pulled two g's while not on <MS? ROFL........ air force pilots do7-8 gs for longer than we do MS.
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It really has nothing to do with warning signs, but more to do with what a person would typically think. There was no reason for the parents to believe their child was ill. This ride was the catalyst to cause his death. That is sad, and unfortunate. If someone robs my house, and hurts themselves I am responsible for it. I see no difference here. Although it was an accident, it was on Disney’s property, and I am sure they have insurance for when things like this happen. Like I said before, I do not believe the family should make out like a bandit, but I do not feel it is unreasonable for them to sue for funeral costs. The ride caused the Childs condition to become aggravated, and that led to his death. Like it or not, the ride ultimately is what killed the child. It is not a matter of anything could have set it off; it’s that the ride was the trigger.
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I understand a lot of people think the lawsuit is bunk, and I agree there are a lot of suits these days that have no real lines to be based on. I do think this has some substance to it.
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Also, in my previous post I noted the ride “was toned down”, and someone claimed it was not. They turned off two of the centrifuges, which takes out the G Force that you experience during the ride. So it was in fact toned down. Disney claims, and I believe them, that they did it because it would allow more people to ride. The reason they did that is people were not riding the ride because they knew it was too intense. Disney knew this as well, and that is why there are now two versions. Disney has to take some credit for what happened. The kid did not just die on his own, the ride set off the condition. Let me put it this way. They cloned MS and changed the g force to 0.......
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So in closing, I think some of you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I took a whole 10 minutes and actually typed this out the right way this time. I feel sorry for the family, and I do think they should be compensated for the funeral expenses. I would ask that you put yourself in the shoes of this family, and truly ask yourself what you would do. Is it unreasonable to think you, and your healthy (to your knowledge) child are safe to ride the attractions at Disney World? I would ask for lifetime passes......
dumboflyer said:I don't know if anyone has already said this, b/c I don't have time to read through 200 posts right now. SO, if this is repetitious, please forgive me.
Why this Lawsuit will Fail
By Dumboflyer
1. Sole Proximate Cause. Riding M:S was not the sole proximate cause of the child's death. This is evidenced by the preexisting heart condition and by the fact that NO ONE has ever died from riding M:S that didn't have a preexisting condition of some sort.
2. Assumption of Risk. I understand the family's grief, but I think it's highly unlikely that the family sincerely believes that there wasn't adequate warning. More than likely, this issue was raised and is being pushed by the Plaintiff's attorney, who in turn is motivated by dividing the damages for a 4-year-old wrongful death by 3 to get his contingency fee.
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In short, this lawsuit is a LOSER with a capital L. Unless he's completely worthless, the Plaintiff's attorney knows this would get shot down by a jury, and he's just hoping for a cost-of-litigation settlement.
AND, lest any of you think I'm regurgitating any of this from some website, I would like to point out that I am currently employed as a law clerk in a firm that practices ONLY in insurance defense.
dxer07002 said:Next time the commercial comes on, pay attention to it... The two kids are laying down dreaming about going to Mars.. They then show 4 kids sitting inside the MS capsule holding the joystick and laughing as if this was some interactive, Buzz Lightyear ride...
dxer07002 said:I am not sure, but... part of the instructions are to keep your head still and look forward at all times.... I don't know if this is the same as centrifuge mechanics, but, if you stand up and twirl yourself around, looking straight and not moving your head, you will still get dizzy... May not be the same in this situation though... I am sure someone here may know..
please try and post readable....chupamiubre said:why it will go through a lawyer playing on the heart strings of a jury
what will probly will happen is eithe it will be demised or will be settled out of court disney usually dosent go to court they try to do it out of the publics view now thats usually good for them cheaper but can look bad becuse it makes dis look klike they have something to hide
but they have been some crazy law suits tho one was some one tryed to sue diz becuse the hydrolators at living ses had blown out his ear drum from the change in pressure lolllllllll
or the one al tho maby just an urbam legand or diz legand that some one said a brick fell off the castle and broke ther foot i think its fake but even still
its sad what happed to the child but its in no way anyones fault if anything they shuld try to sue the doctor for not diagnosing him with this condidtion but its very had to diagnose becuse usually the first sign is a massive heartattack and death
but im sure the lawyer has convinced them that they are the victims here and they need to avenge there childs death and take down the EVIL diz beast who knows but a sad sisituation all around
MrNonacho said:Wow, this is a new one to me. Someone that thinks people shouldn't have fun on a ride at DISNEY WORLD. Are you telling me that the thousands of people that come off the ride each day with smiles on their faces are doing their vacation WRONG?
Of course the commercial is showing kids holding the control sticks and laughing as if it were some interactive ride. That's the whole point of the ride.
hokielutz said:It was mentioned in one of the previous threads in April about how the mechanics of the ride works, so I'll try and summarize them here and relate it to a personal experience:
By asking the guests to keep their head on the back of their seat and looking forward at the screen at all times... this aligns the inner ear with the spinning motion and neutralizes the feeling of spinning while on the ride. If you lean forward and turn your head side to side.... this breaks up the alignment and your body becomes disoriented about what is going on - thus getting dizzy and sick in the process.
After my first few successful trips on this ride, I thought I would be cute and I tried to look down the row at some of the other passengers to see how they were reacting to the G forces. Big Mistake on my part. By bringing my head out of alignment, I started to get disoriented and had to fight off the feeling of being sick for the rest of the experience. After I got off, I didn't feel right for a couple of hours, but I have only myself to blame.
On my next visit to M:S, I reminded myself to breath and keep my head in one place for the whole ride.... and all my rides since then have been great.
This is the subject that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends....some people....started posting it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue debating forever just because this is the subject that never ends...:brick:dxer07002 said:You know what, we can argue till we are blue in the face. These M:S threads just start repeating themselves after a while... No one here is right, but no one here is wrong either.. We all feel how we feel and no one will change out minds... Maybe it is now time to stop this debate because, as with other M:S threads, this goes on and on and we all just repeat ourselves and get nowhere....
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