Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[MisterPenguin]

I find it ick…. People talking about someone who decided not to partake in these forumsanymore… while he is not around

OK, no more referencing Walt!!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This got weird quick!

Oh my boy…you’ll find this is “standard operating procedure”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

While you’re buying a round I’ll take a Bud Light….. Much prefer that then to a Miller Light…. Which seems to be a religion here in Wisconsin

Both taste like something they drain out of your fuel line at jiffy lube

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I find it ick…. People talking about someone who decided not to partake in these forumsanymore… while he is not around

Normally you’d be right

But we’re talking about someone who would barrel through like an unhinged bull on greenies in a china shop

If I remember the schtick properly…it was “I hate that the world has bigots…so therefore everyone is a bigot and I hate you all uniformly…”

Or to that gist…

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It shows that despite the controversy and added attention, there is no excitement behind this $300M+ tentpole production turd.

People inside Disney Studios should be cleaning out their cubicles because of this completely avoidable disaster.

If you can lose $247 mil on Indiana Jones and show up at the executive sauna bright and early on Monday Morning with nothing approximating a “care in the world”…then everyone is safe

 

[Chi84]

Normally you’d be right

But we’re talking about someone who wound barrel through like an unhinged bull on greenies in a china shop

If I remember the schtick properly…it was “I hate that the world has bigots…so therefore everyone is a bigot and I hate you all uniformly…”

Or to that gist…

Yeah that’s total nonsense.

Maybe he got tired of the forum. Maybe he was asked politely to leave and did so.

 

[erasure fan1]

That might have been true back even 10-15 years ago, but times are different now. Young people in Hollywood are more social media savvy now. They have seen what happens in the large franchises of the world, and what happens when fans get upset, and aren't running toward that.

Young people know social media for sure. But I don't think that helps the argument. Social media is all about engagement. Good, bad doesn't matter and they absolutely 100% know this. They also know that the Internet gives a voice to everyone, even the vocal minority of idiots. And the ones who know this run right towards it, otherwise they wouldn't continue to do it. I'm not saying someones career is dead because they won't be in the next batman. But the argument is why they were there in the first place. And most that's for the Hollywood lifestyle.

All you have to do is look at the many working actors starring in many many many movies that comes out all the time, for example Adrien Brody. He has yet to join a large franchise and continues to work consistently

You don't think he had a dream of becoming a famous movie star and living that movie star lifestyle? I just find it hard to believe that there's this huge majority of people who decided to go to Hollywood not to get famous.

 

[monothingie]

Oh my boy…you’ll find this is “standard operating procedure”

 

[Cliff]

If you can lose $247 mil on Indiana Jones and show up at the executive sauna bright and early on Monday Morning with nothing approximating a “care in the world”…then everyone is safe

Y'Know, as long as your movie has "the message" properly portrayed, you are pretty much a hero in Hollywood social circles. If you "say" the correct things, you get all the pats on the back and huggs and handshakes at the LA parties.

If box office sales are low, you will still be a hero but Hollywood insiders tell you: "I personally loved your movie. It was brilliant and moving. Sadly, the bad people in this world didn't buy it... but that is THEIR fault, not yours.."

When movies don't sell, it's "bad" or "ignorant" movie-goers that caused it, not you. (If your message was the Hollywood approved one)

It's very common for producers and cast and crew to seek validation from within the elite social circles in the entertainment industry and NOT from the general public. (Or much less so)

 

[Phroobar]

Young people know social media for sure. But I don't think that helps the argument. Social media is all about engagement. Good, bad doesn't matter and they absolutely 100% know this. They also know that the Internet gives a voice to everyone, even the vocal minority of idiots. And the ones who know this run right towards it, otherwise they wouldn't continue to do it. I'm not saying someones career is dead because they won't be in the next batman. But the argument is why they were there in the first place. And most that's for the Hollywood lifestyle.

You don't think he had a dream of becoming a famous movie star and living that movie star lifestyle? I just find it hard to believe that there's this huge majority of people who decided to go to Hollywood not to get famous.

Adrien Brody was in Predators and his character survived. Granted it was huge mistake to be in that pile of ....

 

[monothingie]

Y'Know, as long as your movie has "the message" properly portrayed, you are pretty much a hero in Hollywood social circles. If you "say" the correct things, you get all the pats on the back abd huggs and handshakes at the LA parties.

If box office sales are low, you will still be a hero but Hollywood insiders tell you. "I personally loved your movie. It was brilliant and moving. Sadly, the bad people in this world didn't buy it... but that is THEIR fault, not yours.."

When movies don't sell, it's "bad" or "ignorant" movie-goers that caused it, not you. (If your message was the Hollywood approved one)

You mean to tell me that out of touch elite Hollywood group think has an impact on the appeal of media intended for mass consumption?

 

[Disney Irish]

Young people know social media for sure. But I don't think that helps the argument. Social media is all about engagement. Good, bad doesn't matter and they absolutely 100% know this. They also know that the Internet gives a voice to everyone, even the vocal minority of idiots. And the ones who know this run right towards it, otherwise they wouldn't continue to do it.

You're assuming that many young people in Hollywood are diving head first into that world willing to tackle all the social media backlash that comes with joining a large blockbuster franchise. I'm saying, no they aren't. I don't think anyone is, especially someone who is savvy in social media. They know to avoid that, and to do that the first thing you do is to not join a large blockbuster franchise.

So yeah young people come to Hollywood to become rich and famous, but they don't come to get bullied online on their social media feeds. The thing that has happened to now countless actors across the industry.

I'm not saying someones career is dead because they won't be in the next batman.

Except that was the argument that started this whole conversation that this thread now find itself involved in. That because some of the actors that were part of Disney franchises in the past aren't now tied to next new large franchises that their careers are dead. And that is what many of us have been arguing against, because its not true.

But the argument is why they were there in the first place. And most that's for the Hollywood lifestyle.

And one can do that without joining a large blockbuster franchise.

You don't think he had a dream of becoming a famous movie star and living that movie star lifestyle? I just find it hard to believe that there's this huge majority of people who decided to go to Hollywood not to get famous.

I think too many have been watching too many movies and TV shows about this "Hollywood lifestyle" and thinking that is real.

Also how is Adrien Brody not famous or not living the movie star lifestyle? The dude just won his second Oscar, you don't think he is getting "paid" and living it up? Of course he is, and he still hasn't joined a large blockbuster franchise.

 

[coffeefan]

Staying booked and busy.

 

[DKampy]

Both taste like something they drain out of your fuel line at jiffy lube

Mot saying either would be my choice…people here seem to power on Miller light

 

[DKampy]

You don't think he had a dream of becoming a famous movie star and living that movie star lifestyle? I just find it hard to believe that there's this huge majority of people who decided to go to Hollywood not to get famous.

As someone who has been in that world… people who hope to be able to have a career in the acting usually decide to move to either California or New York for more Opportunities…. I know a couple of people who have done just that….no one anyone knows… but they do find work on a regular basis

If you move to Hollywood expecting to be rich and famous the likely hood of that happening is slim…. I would not suggest that…It is a highly competitive field

 

[Disney Irish]

Adrien Brody was in Predators and his character survived. Granted it was huge mistake to be in that pile of ....

That is the one-off that no one talks about, its not mentioned when talking about that franchise as its the dud that almost killed it. Its off living in an alternate universe like it never happened.

 

[erasure fan1]

It would be a mistake to assume that every actor is in it to be famous, to make millions of dollars, or to do the junketing that it takes to be either of the first two.

Except that was the argument that started this whole conversation that this thread now find itself involved in.

Uhhh, no it wasn't. The quote above yours is what I was responding to. That topic came up, but wasn't what started what I was talking about and what you were responding to.

Also how is Adrien Brody not famous or not living the movie star lifestyle? The dude just won his second Oscar, you don't think he is getting "paid" and living it up? Of course he is, and he still hasn't joined a large blockbuster franchise.

Of course he's famous. And I'd bet as a young actor in drama club he dreamed of being a famous movie star. That's the entire point.

 

[erasure fan1]

As someone who has been in that world… people who hope to be able to have a career in the acting usually decide to move to either California or New York for more Opportunities…. I know a couple of people who have done just that….no one anyone knows… but they do find work on a regular basis

If you move to Hollywood expecting to be rich and famous the likely hood of that happening is slim…. I would not suggest that…It is a highly competitive field

I agree. But of the actors who are there, and have made it. What percentage do you think dreamed of making it in Hollywood and being famous? I'd say the answer is the vast majority of them.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Y'Know, as long as your movie has "the message" properly portrayed, you are pretty much a hero in Hollywood social circles. If you "say" the correct things, you get all the pats on the back and huggs and handshakes at the LA parties.

If box office sales are low, you will still be a hero but Hollywood insiders tell you: "I personally loved your movie. It was brilliant and moving. Sadly, the bad people in this world didn't buy it... but that is THEIR fault, not yours.."

When movies don't sell, it's "bad" or "ignorant" movie-goers that caused it, not you. (If your message was the Hollywood approved one)

It's very common for producers and cast and crew to seek validation from within the elite social circles in the entertainment industry and NOT from the general public. (Or much less so)

This attitude is a huge part of why Disney is having some trouble across most if not all of its business segments

When your gravy train for sports primary market was college football…and you had 2 hours an afternoon of grievance political pundit talk…who would thunk it would add to your troubles down the road. And if then you blame the audience.

A big takeaway from the last 10 years or so is that they are trying to portray the world for what they think it will be…not what it is.

Not that I don’t think a lot of movements aren’t positives - because they are - but it’s not up to you to decree the pace. It’s bad business.

You need volunteers…not hostages.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I agree. But of the actors who are there, and have made it. What percentage do you think dreamed of making it in Hollywood and being famous? I'd say the answer is the vast majority of them.

Probably only 99.9% of them

I’m just trying to be practical…if you don’t “make it”…you’re constantly looking and working somewhere else. Life’s too short. It’s gotta suck