Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I would concur but I want stitch to do well so we get more stitch stuff in the parks

I think that’s why it will go bonkers

The original movie was - at most - a modest hit at the time…but the merchandising/pull longevity has been one of the biggest Disney success stories in decades…

It’s what they present princess and the frog as…but never has been

Hell…you see more stitch in more places now than you see frozen…or at least in the neighborhood…

Consumer products have changed alot since al gore invented the internet…so that’s gotta be looked at through a lense…

But it’s still indicative of where the money is made.

Want one who has shown more consumer strength than you’d think?

Moana…ahem…

Cars another easy one

I’ll probably be wrong…but I think stitch will be Disneys biggest hit this year…if it’s even decent. Unless there’s an avatar…which I can never keep straight.

Should beat all the marvels soundly. But the money will tell the tale

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And I think you confuse our little slice of the internet as having some effect on the overall status of things. We here have no impact on any changes in Hollywood, and certainly don't within TWDC. So you "bringing it up" is only being read by a couple dozen eyes at most, not the agents for change you think we are.

Nothing we say here matters at all…but yet we come to kill time.

The money will tell the tale of the “trends”

When you give people what they want at the box office…like inside out and Moana…it gives them comfort and you are rewarded.

If it’s not…you flop or tread water.

But it doesn’t matter what we say.

Another example…the parks in Florida are struggling. Period. Losing people, cutting costs and drastically increasing prices to try and keep up. That beast feeds itself.

That is not opinion…it’s in their financials and has been confirmed by all their coverage.

But some people here would say
“I think it’s great”
“It’s never been better”
“It’s worth it to ME”

All opinions and that’s fine…but Also incorrect as being stated by the cold, hard math

 

[Agent H]

I think that’s why it will go bonkers

The original movie was - at most - a modest hit at the time…but the merchandising/pull longevity has been one of the biggest Disney success stories in decades…

It’s what they present princess and the frog as…but never has been

Hell…you see more stitch in more places now than you see frozen…or at least in the neighborhood…

Consumer products have changed alot since al gore invented the internet…so that’s gotta be looked at through a lense…

But it’s still indicative of where the money is made.

Want one who has shown more consumer strength than you’d think?

Moana…ahem…

Cars another easy one

I’ll probably be wrong…but I think stitch will be Disneys biggest hit this year…if it’s even decent. Unless there’s an avatar…which I can never keep straight.

Should beat all the marvels soundly. But the money will tell the tale

I think fantastic 4 and avatar are an easy billion again I hope stitch does well as for the other two marvel movies and Elio we’ll see the only one I’m kinda rooting against is Snow White

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think fantastic 4 and avatar are an easy billion again I hope stitch does well as for the other two marvel movies and Elio we’ll see the only one I’m kinda rooting against is Snow White

Fantastic four always lands with a comparative thud

Very sacred to marvel/comic lovers…and an ingenious kinda take for its time

But not really compelling characters to the casual fans. This will likely follow suit. Won’t flop…will kinda be “meh”

Just what history tells us

 

[Agent H]

Fantastic four always lands with a comparative thud

Very sacred to marvel/comic lovers…and an ingenious kinda take for its time

But not really compelling characters to the casual fans. This will likely follow suit. Won’t flop…will kinda be “meh”

Just what history tells us

The previous 3 fantastic 4 movies failed because they were bad not because general audiences don’t care about them

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Also why did you remove the video you posted along with it?

I thought an average of opinions would lead to less arguing about whether that single opinion was right or wrong and create a better jumping off point for actual discussion.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

The previous 3 fantastic 4 movies failed because they were bad not because general audiences don’t care about them

They need to dig up the wonder twins asap.

 

[Agent H]

They need to dig up the wonder twins asap.

Who are the wonder twins?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Lilo and Stitch must be at least 600+, I don’t see a way that only does $300 globally??

I’m a huge Stitch fan so I hope you are correct but I put it in the $500 million category on my list, I think it’s more niche than something like Moana or Zootopia so I’m afraid that’ll limit its box office.

That said I wouldn’t be surprised if it hits $750 million + if the word of mouth is good. It’s the type of movie that could go viral if the kids love it and it gets good buzz.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The previous 3 fantastic 4 movies failed because they were bad not because general audiences don’t care about them

The fantastic four was written as a “family” of flawed superheroes. Which was a twist on do gooders for comics in 1960s

But that doesn’t really resonate outside the comic store to the masses. And the actual characters are rather uninteresting for the eyes when they compare to X and Avenger ones

Now that worked really well for the incredibles…but they hit a different target.

FF just seems to be boring. Before your time…but they had Jessica alba, Chris Evans and Julian McMahon as a perfect doom in the first one…which was a decent hit. Eye candy. The second one wasn’t good…the last reboot was terrible.

It’s like the muppets…people love it…but not ENOUGH people love it for the mega corp

We’ll see…I hope it’s good but marvel could very well go 0-3 this year. Especially since starting today a predicted $1,500,000,000,000 increase on just common consumer products..not high faluting financial stuff…kicks in

Things may get tight…because they should…but I’m sure the world will try to con its way out of it.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I’m a huge Stitch fan so I hope you are correct but I put it in the $500 million category on my list, I think it’s more niche than something like Moana or Zootopia so I’m afraid that’ll limit its box office.

That said I wouldn’t be surprised if it hits $750 million + if the word of mouth is good. It’s the type of movie that could go viral if the kids love it and it gets good buzz.

In my eyes, I see it as just the right kind of nostalgia fuel to get people out. A character people love, from a movie that was not really oversaturated. Has a decent global following, especially in Asia.

It feels like an Inside Out 2 situation to me, not to the same extent and not with the same global gross, but I just see it playing well.

We will see.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

It pained me to put the new Jurassic World movie in the billion+ category, I hate what they’ve done to that franchise but I think people will still flock to see it.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Who are the wonder twins?

Part of the Super Friends!!

Wonder Twins - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It pained me to put the new Jurassic World movie in the billion+ category, I hate what they’ve done to that franchise but I think people will still flock to see it.

…same

But those movies have long been erratic

 

[Agent H]

Part of the Super Friends!!

Wonder Twins - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

O those guys my dad brings them up a lot

 

[Hawkeye_2018]

Looks like Dogman did well. Basically in the black after one week. My kids and I enjoyed it but not as good as Captain Underpants IMO

 

[Disney Irish]

They need to dig up the wonder twins asap.

Wrong franchise

 

[erasure fan1]

Is it terrible of me that I don't want it to succeed, even as a big Stitch fan? I am sick to death of these remakes and really hope Disney stops making them.

With this group it is. Lol. I will say this, welcome to the club. The first Few I was fairly indifferent. But then they just really started to annoy me. Because like you said, they just don't hold up to the originals at all. And some are an insult to the animated versions.

The original movie was - at most - a modest hit at the time…but the merchandising/pull longevity has been one of the biggest Disney success stories in decades…

Yup, the merch around me has been front and center for a while now. Although Lilo and stitch did a lot better in it's theatrical. The merch reminds me of nightmare b4 xmas. It really seemed to take off well after the fact. If this one does only 500mil ish, like mermaid, I'll be surprised. Like Bufford, I just want these to stop. But this is one I would guess will have a big demand. Unless it sucks, but this should be a layup for Disney unfortunately.

 

[Disney Irish]

The money will tell the tale of the “trends”

Yes it does, much to your dismay Disney does follow trends and has been rather successful doing it.

When you give people what they want at the box office…like inside out and Moana…it gives them comfort and you are rewarded.

If it’s not…you flop or tread water.

Your definition though of what is a "reward" versus failure is very likely different than those inside the walls 500 South Buena Vista Street. So while you're calling balls and strikes that means nothing, the people inside those walls have the actual tally sheet and they decide what is a success or not. So while I appreciate your opinion, if Disney is doing something that continues to be a "failure" to you that must mean they have data that shows it was actually a successful endeavor previously.

But it doesn’t matter what we say.

Correct it doesn't, which wonders then why you fight so hard against some of us when we discuss how something breaks even or is a "success", if it doesn't matter why care what we say.

Another example…the parks in Florida are struggling. Period. Losing people, cutting costs and drastically increasing prices to try and keep up. That beast feeds itself.

That is not opinion…it’s in their financials and has been confirmed by all their coverage.

But some people here would say
“I think it’s great”
“It’s never been better”
“It’s worth it to ME”

All opinions and that’s fine…but Also incorrect as being stated by the cold, hard math

Apples and oranges. Its easier to track what is and isn't working at the parks, not so much in the movie space due to factors that are unknown.

 

[Disney Irish]

Fantastic four always lands with a comparative thud

Very sacred to marvel/comic lovers…and an ingenious kinda take for its time

But not really compelling characters to the casual fans. This will likely follow suit. Won’t flop…will kinda be “meh”

Just what history tells us

Except if you take the first film released in 2005 and inflation adjust its WW totals, which everyone likes to do, you have $560M WW.

That by any standards is a success, not a "thud" as you call it. So I think as long as the movie is good it has a shot at being very successful, as that is all that fans want, hardcore and casuals alike. Also I think you're discounting the fact that many casual fans have grown up with these characters on the large screen now for 20 years. So they aren't as "uncompelling" as you think.