Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Wendy Pleakley]

Maybe Kevin Costner can go back and finish Yellowstone since his Horizon gamble failed miserably.

Kevin Costner’s ‘Horizon 2’ Pulled From August Release in Theaters After First Film Flops (Exclusive)

Costner's Territory Pictures and New Line Cinema made the decision in order to give audiences more time to discover the initial movie before the sequel.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

“The audience response to Horizon, and enthusiasm for seeing our story continue in Horizon 2, has been incredibly gratifying."

That is some generous spin.

I wouldn't be surprised if the second doesn't even make it to theaters.

I haven't seen it, but its a multi-part movie series. So that is probably why it seems like they introduce things that don't finish or connect. The next part was suppose to come out in August, guess its not anymore.

It's a four part series no less. That's a big risk and expectation of audience commitment for a movie series.

 

[Disney Irish]

“The audience response to Horizon, and enthusiasm for seeing our story continue in Horizon 2, has been incredibly gratifying."

That is some generous spin.

I wouldn't be surprised if the second doesn't even make it to theaters.



It's a four part series no less. That's a big risk and expectation of audience commitment for a movie series.

I suspect the rest of the series will head to streaming.....

 

[Ghost93]

Maybe Kevin Costner can go back and finish Yellowstone since his Horizon gamble failed miserably.

Kevin Costner’s ‘Horizon 2’ Pulled From August Release in Theaters After First Film Flops (Exclusive)

Costner's Territory Pictures and New Line Cinema made the decision in order to give audiences more time to discover the initial movie before the sequel.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

That's dissapointing, I was looking forward to part 2.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I suspect the rest of the series will head to streaming.....

He left a TV show to make a movie that could now, ironically, be a TV series.

Seems like a better fit from an audience engagement perspective but I understand why he sees it as meant for theaters given the types of movies he's made in the past.

 

[Disney Irish]

He left a TV show to make a movie that could now, ironically, be a TV series.

Seems like a better fit from an audience engagement perspective but I understand why he sees it as meant for theaters given the types of movies he's made in the past.

Well I wouldn't call it a TV series if it goes to streaming, it would still be a series of movies just a streaming series of movies.

 

[Ghost93]

Well I wouldn't call it a TV series if it goes to streaming, it would still be a series of movies just a streaming series of movies.

The first Horizon movie WAS structured like a TV Pilot, however, with dozens of characters and at least 5 different plotlines introduced and no resolution to any of them. I feel pretty confident that this project will be viewed more fondly once it's actually completed and people can see how these characters evolve and how the plotlines intersect.

 

[Disney Irish]

The first Horizon movie WAS structured like a TV Pilot, however, with dozens of characters and at least 5 different plotlines introduced and no resolution to any of them. I feel pretty confident that this project will be viewed more fondly once it's actually completed and people can see how these characters evolve and how the plotlines intersect.

Which puts it more inline with a mini-series than a traditional TV show, just in theatrical format.

 

[Prince-1]

That's dissapointing, I was looking forward to part 2.

You’re definitely going to get to see it because it’s already been filmed and ready to be released, but after the dismal performance of part one, I guess they are figuring out what’s the best way to do that.

I would not however put much faith in parts three and four getting filmed.

 

[Prince-1]

The first Horizon movie WAS structured like a TV Pilot, however, with dozens of characters and at least 5 different plotlines introduced and no resolution to any of them. I feel pretty confident that this project will be viewed more fondly once it's actually completed and people can see how these characters evolve and how the plotlines intersect.

I don’t think we’re going to see the full completion of this saga. It was supposed to be a four part movie series, but I cannot see how they’re going to spend the money to film parts three and four after the failure of part one

 

[Ghost93]

I don’t think we’re going to see the full completion of this saga. It was supposed to be a four part movie series, but I cannot see how they’re going to spend the money to film parts three and four after the failure of part one

They already are filming Part 3. It's part 4 I'm unsure if we will get to see.

 

[Prince-1]

They already are filming Part 3. It's part 4 I'm unsure if we will get to see.

You are correct on part three. Well it looks like they are going to lose a lot of money on parts 1-3 so they might as well at least finish the series otherwise there is going to be a lot of storylines unfinished.

 

[Disney Irish]

You are correct on part three. Well it looks like they are going to lose a lot of money on parts 1-3 so they might as well at least finish the series otherwise there is going to be a lot of storylines unfinished.

If they can sell it to a streaming service, like Netflix or Amazon, they aren't necessarily going to lose money. Also remember that Costner self financed a large portion of it, so its a passion project for him. So I don't think he cares too much about the potential of losing money.

 

[Prince-1]

If they can sell it to a streaming service, like Netflix or Amazon, they aren't necessarily going to lose money. Also remember that Costner self financed a large portion of it, so it’s I don’t think it has a chance of making moneya passion project for him. So I don't think he cares too much about the potential of losing money.

I don’t think it is going to make any money even when it’s sold to a streaming service but I hope it does for everyone who is involved in making it. And it’s reported that Costner financed approximately $38 million and the rest was put up by private investors so he’s not going to lose that much but yes, it’s definitely a passion project of his.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don’t think it is going to make any money even when it’s sold to a streaming service but I hope it does for everyone who is involved in making it. And it’s reported that Costner financed approximately $38 million and the rest was put up by private investors so he’s not going to lose that much but yes, it’s definitely a passion project of his.

Netflix and Amazon both have a track record of spending a lot for content, so I could see either of them picking up the cost of all 4 films. Especially since the $100M number was thrown around for both parts 1 and 2, and assume parts 3 and 4 would be similar. So that is cheap for both Netflix and Amazon to spend $200-250M for 4 movies.

 

[Prince-1]

Netflix and Amazon both have a track record of spending a lot for content, so I could see either of them picking up the cost of all 4 films. Especially since the $100M number was thrown around for both parts 1 and 2, and assume parts 3 and 4 would be similar. So that is cheap for both Netflix and Amazon to spend $200-250M for 4 movies.

But will they spend that much on a movie that bombed in the theater. It will land somewhere but not sure how much they will pay for something that is in obvious trouble. Time will tell.

 

[Disney Irish]

But will they spend that much on a movie that bombed in the theater. It will land somewhere but not sure how much they will pay for something that is in obvious trouble. Time will tell.

Well if they get 4 movies for the price of one, yeah I think they might, even if it "failed" in theaters. Netflix for example has spent $200M or more on just one movie in the past, and that was for movies that never went to theaters. So if they can spend that same amount to get 4 movies, it would be a steal comparatively.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

But will they spend that much on a movie that bombed in the theater. It will land somewhere but not sure how much they will pay for something that is in obvious trouble. Time will tell.

I imagine it will benefit from the prestige factor of being a theatrical release, which can enhance awareness and interest compared to direct-to-streaming content.

Just like iTunes does the "Bring the Theater Home!" selling point for any theatrical movie, even if it opened a week earlier and made $87.

Even if reviews and revenue were so so, it represents a known quantity that Netflix can sell to its' customer base. I'm sure it's better than most of their original movies.

 

[Prince-1]

I imagine it will benefit from the prestige factor of being a theatrical release, which can enhance awareness and interest compared to direct-to-streaming content.

Just like iTunes does the "Bring the Theater Home!" selling point for any theatrical movie, even if it opened a week earlier and made $87.

Even if reviews and revenue were so so, it represents a known quantity that Netflix can sell to its' customer base. I'm sure it's better than most of their original movies.

Horizons will be streaming on Max not Netflix. It will be hitting PVOD this Tuesday. Hopefully it will find an audience at home because I doubt part 2 will be released in the theaters.

 

[Disney Irish]

Horizons will be streaming on Max not Netflix. It will be hitting PVOD this Tuesday. Hopefully it will find an audience at home because I doubt part 2 will be released in the theaters.

That will only be for the first film, there is no streaming info yet for the other 3. As we've seen WB do before, they could license the first one to Netflix after a short period of time, and Netflix could pick up the other 3.

 

[Prince-1]

That will only be for the first film, there is no streaming info yet for the other 3. As we've seen WB do before, they could license the first one to Netflix after a short period of time, and Netflix could pick up the other 3.

Could but my guess is they will be staying on Max.